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tarlibone posted:I must have misread a few posts, then, because it seemed like some folks were indeed saying that since there is currently no evidence of a "lab leak," then the desire to look into that theory further would mean that we're really just being racist/xenophobic against China and its people. And I disagree with that, because the current evidence I've seen points to one area in China being the epicenter, and there happens to be a virus lab there. It very well MIGHT have escaped from a lab but "Hey there's also a lab there .... coincidence???" isn't evidence, it's conjecture.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It very well MIGHT have escaped from a lab but "Hey there's also a lab there .... coincidence???" isn't evidence, it's conjecture. That's right. It's just a coincidence. I'm not trying to be sarcastic or suggestive or whatever. I'm seriously only saying that it is, at least, a coincidence. It's conjecture to think that the apparent epicenter of the pandemic has anything to do with the presence of a lab. There may be a correlation, or there may not. At best, I'd call it a lead, and like all leads, it may not pan out at all. Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Scientists are reasonably sure, now, that the ~Spanish Flu~ originated in Kansas. But that didn't help the war narrative, so it was the evil Spanish, instead... Thanks! I didn't want to look it up. Also, Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Where it came from was critical information when containment was still a possibility. There are so many variants now, and finished vaccines, that knowing exactly where it started is academic rather than practical. Further, given the secrecy of the Chinese government, unless the virus originated outside of China, we will likely never know the true answer in our lifetimes. In regards to the emboldened part, I disagree. If you can find out where it came from, maybe even identify patient zero, then you can maybe find out how they contracted the virus, and there are practical lessons that can be learned from that. Now, if it ends up being just another example of random zoonotic spillover, then there may not be a lot of practical application of the fruits of that research. It might boil down to something totally impractical like "don't be anywhere near bats ever." On the other hand, it could also be slightly practical, like "don't eat raw bat lungs." (I'm not saying that Chinese people do that; I'm just using it as a silly example.) Also, again, if it did escape a lab due to a breech in protocol or just an insufficient protocol, we can address that so that we can continue to study viruses and reduce the risk of doing so. My point is, there are non-xenophobic reasons for at least starting an investigation there. If the evidence gathered suggests spillover, an accident, or that it didn't even originate there, then so be it--keep looking in other places and find out what happened. I will concede, though, that we'll likely never know the answer, either due to governmental obstruction, or because actually tracking it down could be unfeasible. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try, though.
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so in that pile of 'maybe don't eat bat lungs you savages (not saying they do that)' and fluff what do you actually WANT? There's no evidence, you're saying 'ah there's no evidence YET' and just doing the literal Simpsons joke of 'I have conjecture and circumstantial things, those are KINDS of evidence'. Are we supposed to just keep investigating until we find evidence (and who is 'we' by the way since large amounts of American lawmakers have decided the WHO is too soft on China because...they found no evidence of a lab leak...)? That's the issue with this, it's a deeply inquisitorial mindset where the only options for China are 'you're guilty' or 'you've lied to hide your guilt', at what point do we look at the multiple sources saying 'yea this doesn't fit a lab leak at all' and go 'oh, okay'?
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tarlibone posted:In regards to the emboldened part, I disagree. If you can find out where it came from, maybe even identify patient zero, then you can maybe find out how they contracted the virus, and there are practical lessons that can be learned from that. Now, if it ends up being just another example of random zoonotic spillover, then there may not be a lot of practical application of the fruits of that research. It might boil down to something totally impractical like "don't be anywhere near bats ever." On the other hand, it could also be slightly practical, like "don't eat raw bat lungs." (I'm not saying that Chinese people do that; I'm just using it as a silly example.) Also, again, if it did escape a lab due to a breech in protocol or just an insufficient protocol, we can address that so that we can continue to study viruses and reduce the risk of doing so. I hate to see goons fighting about something but I get how touchy the subject is. I got an idea: Let's just suppose it was America that was the OG source of the virus. Watching the television and let's say I saw legit Canadian and British news that had people saying "outbreak started in Florida." Nice group of scientists from multiple countries decide "hey let's look into where it came from and why" and the US says nope. US says "we totally did the research and yeah it wasn't us or it was something minor and we are totes good" while not letting those non US scientists only look at the research they gathered beforehand would be sketchy as gently caress. If the head of this international group of scientists had a long established relationship with the US and said "yea we can believe them and thumbs up" I would still remain skeptical. Especially since the US has a past history of doing shady poo poo for a looooooong time. Even more if the Cheeto had declared himself president for life and began a semi open ethnic cleansing of ...let's say native americans. That is how I look at it. Do I want going to war with the US in this situation? No but we shouldn't just be like "whoops - let's just move on." I'm part asian and hate people going crazy over other people who don't have giant milk drinker eyes but China is not completely innocent. Feels like race is making this a touchy issue when it shouldn't be about race but the policy of a country. Again not saying let's go 40k but more like find a way to reward countries that DON'T let your scientists in their borders to research a pandemic. China HAS covered up multiple accidents and deaths for YEARS and has become rather good at cleaning it up and keeping it under wraps. Remember that drat breaking land killing a town a while ago? Remember suicide nets from a decade ago? Genocide still going on? Funny thing is this COULD have all been some rando guy spelunking in a cave but when a country goes into full coverup mode it feeds paranoia, which the worst of mankind LOVE to use as tools to sway us common folk to go whatever they want. If countries (note:plural) had just worked with each other instead of sabre rattling and hiding behind the paranoia blankets maybe less people would die. Note that isn't past tense as people are still dying and will keep on for a while. My only big idea is to encourage a strong cooperation in something like WHO and bringing about financial incentives to work with countries who allow a more open policy when it comes to their research and information gathering. Maybe encourage trade by lowering tariffs and whatnot. Any country that doesn't want foreign investigators inside and to do their own research? Fine. You don't get a super discount and its more expensive to buy your products. That might get both the US and China into more agreeable stances. I feel like people are focusing too much on the racial (I say this as a POC) and not that the issue is based on the actions of a government or governments. I don't think it's deliberate but its still an effective deflection and a quick way to get many people to just move on and keep buying useless mass made products like they did before COVID. Knowledge is your friend. Find what went wrong and why so we can fix it and not make the same mistakes. Not just the origin but the many ways multiple countries failed to handle the issue (see Murrica, Yewnited Statez uv). Only way the rest of the world survives is trying to keep the big dogs from going too crazy. Also hoping this long term improves the lives of the lower caste in India. note: watching way too much PBS type stations plus main stream news shows and NOT facebook, american news or the daily heil.  Can we goons be friends again?edit final note: also cheese really is gross and smells repulsive and when I see people drink giant amounts of milk I feel sick DogsInSpace! fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Jun 17, 2021 |
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sexpig by night posted:so in that pile of 'maybe don't eat bat lungs you savages (not saying they do that)' and fluff what do you actually WANT? There's no evidence, you're saying 'ah there's no evidence YET' and just doing the literal Simpsons joke of 'I have conjecture and circumstantial things, those are KINDS of evidence'. Are we supposed to just keep investigating until we find evidence (and who is 'we' by the way since large amounts of American lawmakers have decided the WHO is too soft on China because...they found no evidence of a lab leak...)? I can't tell if this is a bad faith read or if you're just misreading my post. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, though.
sexpig by night posted:That's the issue with this, it's a deeply inquisitorial mindset where the only options for China are 'you're guilty' or 'you've lied to hide your guilt', at what point do we look at the multiple sources saying 'yea this doesn't fit a lab leak at all' and go 'oh, okay'? And here is yet another false dichotomy. OK, benefit of the doubt revoked. Carry on.
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None of you know poo poo about anything, and neither do I. We choose (hopefully) smarter people who know about this poo poo and listen to them in order to parrot what they say to make ourselves sound smart and win petty arguments. WHO we choose to listen to is the foundation for the greatest internet slap fights of our time. I hope I'm not being radical here by saying I have relatively more trust for Fauci and his organization (NIAID) then I do China's specialists, Fox News, or anyone in this thread. I also trust big Johnny O, which is why I'm in this thread. I trust these people because they seem genuine, and haven't betrayed it yet. I also don't really have a better alternative. So by extension, I also choose to trust the rear end in a top hat in this article, because I have the same tenuous trust for the science people in Fauci's orbit, and a small amount of trust for the NYT (again, just slightly above all the other garbage options): https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/14/science/covid-lab-leak-fauci-kristian-andersen.html TL;DR: This one dude's professional hypothesis is that it likely didn't come from a lab. He thought it maybe did before, but thinks it's less possible now. But he draws no firm conclusions! Also, he says China's cooperation (especially pertaining to the nearby lab) would clear some stuff up. I believe this answer because it is: 1. Boring. 2. Cautious. 3. Logical. 4. Inconclusive. It's a scientist saying sciency things and it's all very on brand. So I guess this puts the ball in China's court? Cooperation would be great! Lets all work together to get to the bottom of this. ...Oh. They're not going to do that? Well then we should rightfully be calling them out for that! And doing so is not racist in the slightest, even if other people want the same thing for racist reasons. The actions of bad faith actors don't absolve China of their part in this, and being critical of China does not put you in bed with racists. Again, to be very clear - the virus doesn't give a poo poo. It has no benefit to us other than to sicken or kill. And yet we drag our feet, for "complicated geo-political reasons." gently caress outa here sure okay fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Jun 17, 2021 |
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DogsInSpace! posted:I hate to see goons fighting about something but I get how touchy the subject is. I got an idea: Let's just suppose it was America that was the OG source of the virus. Watching the television and let's say I saw legit Canadian and British news that had people saying "outbreak started in Florida." Nice group of scientists from multiple countries decide "hey let's look into where it came from and why" and the US says nope. US says "we totally did the research and yeah it wasn't us or it was something minor and we are totes good" while not letting those non US scientists only look at the research they gathered beforehand would be sketchy as gently caress. If the head of this international group of scientists had a long established relationship with the US and said "yea we can believe them and thumbs up" I would still remain skeptical. Especially since the US has a past history of doing shady poo poo for a looooooong time. Even more if the Cheeto had declared himself president for life and began a semi open ethnic cleansing of ...let's say native americans. That is how I look at it. Do I want going to war with the US in this situation? No but we shouldn't just be like "whoops - let's just move on." China has allowed multiple government and non-government inspections into the lab to investigate and they've all said the same thing. The only counter being made has been 'well, China lies' which is not actual evidence. Why shouldn't we 'just move on' and why is it a binary between that and 'war' for you? Do you...do you think America has any chance of winning that war? This is such a weird thing to be glib about. "Yea I'm not saying I want to see americans just meatgrinder'd in the name of a weird conspiracy theory but we can't just move on".
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sexpig by night posted:China has allowed multiple government and non-government inspections into the lab to investigate and they've all said the same thing. The only counter being made has been 'well, China lies' which is not actual evidence. Why shouldn't we 'just move on' and why is it a binary between that and 'war' for you? Do you...do you think America has any chance of winning that war? This is such a weird thing to be glib about. "Yea I'm not saying I want to see americans just meatgrinder'd in the name of a weird conspiracy theory but we can't just move on". Ack sorry - I hope I am misinformed and more than willing to admit it. Can you provide links please? Hoping with proper information we can end the hostilities. At least on here. The shows I watched were mainstream Canadian and British so I foolishly hoped the interviews were legit. Like multiple shows. Just goes to show how easy it is to be part of the problem and I apologise.
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DogsInSpace! posted:Ack sorry - I hope I am misinformed and more than willing to admit it. Can you provide links please? Hoping with proper information we can end the hostilities. At least on here. The shows I watched were mainstream Canadian and British so I foolishly hoped the interviews were legit. Like multiple shows. Just goes to show how easy it is to be part of the problem and I apologise. Here's an article about a WHO inspection that wrapped up earlier this year that restated the lack of any evidence of a lab leak in the area, with the only counter arguments being the US going 'uuuh we'd like to review it' https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who-china/whos-wuhan-probe-ends-u-s-china-bickering-over-covid-continues-idUSKBN2AA15W This is the woman who's literally the head of the division in question, who has a nothing but stellar reputation for working with these types of diseases from a health focus rather than a political one, further saying that there's no evidence of the 'lab leak theory' and actively inviting any group who'd like to inspect it, with again the only counter being western communities being all 'well what if it did though' and 'china lies though' https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/china/covid-wuhan-lab-leak-china-b1865627.html She also touches on the very important element that she and her lab are being demanded to prove a negative with this nonsense. You can't say 'well prove it DIDN'T come from here', you have to have actual evidence of it coming from there to present!
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I want to remind everyone of something that might be easy to miss if you are an American and that is this: Americans loving lie. Constantly. About everything. Remember when Saddam Hussein was accused of having a weapons of mass destruction programme? Remember when the US mobilized the UN to keep asking questions about this? Because well, we just don't know, and we can't know unless Saddam cooperates, and it could be a huge threat to all of humanity if the US is right about this. And then what happened? Saddam cooperated. Fully. UN weapons inspectors specifically chosen for their independence were granted full access to every facility they wanted to visit. For months and months. They kept finding nothing. Meanwhile the rhetoric coming from the US kept ramping up. Every time the weapons inspectors found NOTHING this was more evidence that Iraq must be malicious and hiding everything. The US went as far as making up utter bullshit like mobile bio weapons labs on trains and in trucks. Which are laughable not only because Iraq has a tiny rail infrastructure (and so should be trivial to find) but also because such technology *does not exist*. Even today, not a country in the world has a mobile bio research lab like the poo poo the US accused Iraq of because it can not work. The UN investigators put out report after report meticulously showing their work. It didn't loving matter. The US propaganda machine, including the loving New York Times, went into overdrive and whipped the whole country up into a racist frenzy for war. Then you motherfuckers invaded and murdered more than a million people. Oh and also no weapons of mass destruction nor any weapons of mass destruction research or production programme were ever found. All of this happened very, very recently. The US might forget this, because it is always in the interest of the powerful to quickly forget their history of abuse, but the rest of the world has not forgotten. The China lab leak theory has been investigated. Even at the time it was investigated every serious virologist involved in the effort from every country maintained that it was an extremely unlikely long-shot possibility at best. They say those things because as a scientist, if there is even the remotes theoretical possibility that something could have happened, you never say that it was impossible or that it conclusively did not happen. Because you can not prove a negative. But this will never be enough for the US. And any of you idiots putting stock in what the US propaganda machine or the US government say about a geopolitical rival, which is rapidly being morphed into a geopolitical enemy, are being duped. Your consent is being manufactured.
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If you want a good exercise on it you can just imagine if Stewart had gone on the show and had this exact same rant but for the 'Lyme Disease is a government creation' conspiracy theory, which has the exact same amount of 'evidence' to it. Lab in the area where the biggest outbreaks are known to be from? Check. Kinda vaguely sinister out of context sounding 'disease research' being done in the lab? Check. A government with a history of covering things up that make it look bad? Check. No actual evidence to point to but a lot of 'well you can't 100% say it DIDN'T'? Check.
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Stewart's reputation is greater than he deserves but it is a bummer seeing him devolve into Bill Maher.
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sexpig by night posted:Here's an article about a WHO inspection that wrapped up earlier this year that restated the lack of any evidence of a lab leak in the area, with the only counter arguments being the US going 'uuuh we'd like to review it' Thank you. I also did some additional looking and…I’m sorry I contributed to the problem. I found out one of the shows I watched was the American show 20/20 which had a snippet from that Pompeo guy. <sigh> it’s so easy to get fed bs even when trying to avoid the obvious grifters. So do you guys think this is just the US trying to create Cold War V. 2.0? <sigh again> Just hope they don’t blow up the rest of us as I actually like my silly rear end home, flaws and all. Edit: for clarification- I’m Canadian and don’t want to be in a US vs China War. Even a Cold One. DogsInSpace! fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Jun 18, 2021 |
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DogsInSpace! posted:Thank you. I also did some additional looking and…I’m sorry I contributed to the problem. I found out one of the shows I watched was the American show 20/20 which had a snippet from that Pompeo guy. <sigh> it’s so easy to get fed bs even when trying to avoid the obvious grifters. So do you guys think this is just the US trying to create Cold War V. 2.0? <sigh again> Just hope they don’t blow up the rest of us as I actually like my silly rear end home, flaws and all. I'm sorry for taking an aggro tone right away, then. It's obviously a bit frustrating to hear people seemingly actively ignore basic logic to instead trust guys like Mike Pompeo going 'nah trust me they did it' but I'm genuinely glad you actually did some reading on it despite me being pissy about it, so thanks.
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sexpig by night posted:I'm sorry for taking an aggro tone right away, then. It's obviously a bit frustrating to hear people seemingly actively ignore basic logic to instead trust guys like Mike Pompeo going 'nah trust me they did it' but I'm genuinely glad you actually did some reading on it despite me being pissy about it, so thanks. I truly believe we are all brothers/sisters and whatnot on this silly blue and green marble. The only way to avoid insanity is cooperation and information. None of this is sarcasm. COVID sucks and I’m still waiting in queue to get vaccinated but I was told soon. Already booked. We are cool my fellow goon. Really sad about JS as I would hope he was better informed and kinda cool compared to my stoner rear end. He seemed so in the know when we were all tweens and teens. Dammit former hip news dad.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Stewart's reputation is greater than he deserves but it is a bummer seeing him devolve into Bill Maher. This really sums it up. I think we all knew already that Stewart has failed to keep up, has rapidly lost relevance, and wasn't really all that progressive even back in the day, but he was still really important and I know I still have plenty of fond memories of him. There is no Last Week Tonight without Stewart's Daily Show.
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rujasu posted:This really sums it up. I think we all knew already that Stewart has failed to keep up, has rapidly lost relevance, and wasn't really all that progressive even back in the day, but he was still really important and I know I still have plenty of fond memories of him. There is no Last Week Tonight without Stewart's Daily Show. ... or The Late Show with Stephen Colbert either, probably, when you think about it.
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tarlibone posted:... or The Late Show with Stephen Colbert either, probably, when you think about it. Also absolutely true, but I actually watch Last Week Tonight, whereas I stopped watching Colbert after his first few weeks on CBS. Stephen Colbert trying to be Dave Letterman is better than actual Dave Letterman, but not by enough for me to bother watching a weekly late-night show.
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Let's not forget the legion! Samantha Bee, Wyatt Cynac, Larry Wilmore, Michael Che, Jordan Klepper, Hasan Minhaj, Michelle Wolf... To say nothing of the two dozen careers he helped springboard. Stewart's legacy is written across progressive, American politics, but the sad truth is he was never that progressive and likely helped along the downfall of society by ending his version of TDS just before the worst of the media landscape came out to roost for the 2016 election.
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On topic since there was a new episode and all, I had no idea PACE poo poo even exist and Jesus how was this ever approved? We're just gonna keep finding these absurd Obama era programs that boil down to 'we're a friendly, diverse, program meant to fight inequality and global warming (btw this entire thing is run by five different hedge funds that will bleed you dry in fees and interest if you even look at the forms)' aren't we?
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So clearly if there are banjos, finger snaps and hand claps playing during a commercial, it's particularly egregious bullshit.
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Stare-Out posted:So clearly if there are banjos, finger snaps and hand claps playing during a commercial, it's particularly egregious bullshit. unless it's for a barbecue place, probably
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sexpig by night posted:Jesus how was this ever approved? quote:(btw this entire thing is run by five different hedge funds that will bleed you dry in fees and interest if you even look at the forms)' Answered your own question there.
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rujasu posted:Also absolutely true, but I actually watch Last Week Tonight, whereas I stopped watching Colbert after his first few weeks on CBS. Stephen Colbert trying to be Dave Letterman is better than actual Dave Letterman, but not by enough for me to bother watching a weekly late-night show. Well you might try watching some segments on youtube at some point because eventually the "let's try and keep politics out of the show" dam broke really fast under the constant flood of scandals and insanity.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Well you might try watching some segments on youtube at some point because eventually the "let's try and keep politics out of the show" dam broke really fast under the constant flood of scandals and insanity. I'll think about it. Now that he has a live audience again, is he still going to tell them to be polite to Ted Cruz?
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It's probably for the best he left the Colbert Report because I don;t think he would've gone insane enough to keep up with the right in the Trump years.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Which I do think gave it a higher overall hit rate when it came to comedy, while the later Daily Show and its successors started to be more aware that some people would end up being informed by the comedy news parodies they watch, and they started to try being responsible, which led to some of them becoming a kind of news-lite with the occasional dick joke, which is overall less funny. Last Week Tonight tries instead to be ambitious about making its researched portions informative and just bring up the mood with its dedicated "look at the news media being silly" joke segments. You still have the issue of comedians lacking journalistic standards, but as shows slide further into news-lite, you have less of the defense of being primarily comedy because that's less in focus. Is it bad that I get the vast majority of my news on America from shows like The Daily Show, Last Week Tonight, Late Night with Seth Meyers etc? I don't even find them particularly funny a lot of the time, but they're funny enough and genuine enough in their delivery as well as covering the more relevant stuff from an international point of view that it's easier than watching stuff from NBC, reading articles from The New York Times etc.
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tsob posted:Is it bad that I get the vast majority of my news on America from shows like The Daily Show, Last Week Tonight, Late Night with Seth Meyers etc? I don't even find them particularly funny a lot of the time, but they're funny enough and genuine enough in their delivery as well as covering the more relevant stuff from an international point of view that it's easier than watching stuff from NBC, reading articles from The New York Times etc. As long as you are aware that these shows are still made by well-off liberals and so while they might be good at pointing out problems, their proposed solutions are all unmitigated garbage. As for comedians lacking journalistic standards. Who gives a poo poo, nobody has journalistic standards worth a drat, and these comedians at least seem dedicated to trying to tell you what is going wrong and at least a good chunk of why. Unlike a lot of journalists. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Jun 22, 2021 |
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They usually don't suggest solutions regardless, Last Week Tonight aside. Whose solutions seem pretty reasonable for the most part, if rather hopeful or naïve in most cases. The solutions aren't something I can normally affect anyway, living on the other side of the planet.
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Weirdly sometimes hunting for an angle to get laughs seemingly sometimes promotes a kind of investigative perspective while a lot of proper journalism gets really lazy after getting a shocking enough headline. so long as you can maintain your own critical thinking, it's not a personal failing to end up getting notified of a lot of important things by pseudo-comedy programs, but it is a wide-ranging failure of actual journalistic institutions to be unable to provide digestible and informative pieces that people will watch instead of chasing shock or pandering to crazy people. I didn't expect them to slide in a "CIA killed JFK" thing in there, but I suggest a new strategy: Let the wookiee be a dog. Also love to see the finance industry repackaging and selling debt show up in an otherwise unrelated story of contractors abusing government programs to ruin people's lives.
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You gotta love when John gets near the end of the show and starts a sentence with "This might sound remarkably easy, and it is..."
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New webisode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSZ-hogD8mg Thanks for reminding me about that offensively terrible documentary, John 
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I enjoy the webisodes you can tell we're written by Dan O'Brien.
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Jul 12, 2021 21:54
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This week's webisode is about magical penises.
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Jul 19, 2021 07:25
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Rappaport posted:This week's webisode is about magical penises. I haven’t watched this yet but I did manage to grab most of one episode of Dillermand off of YT earlier this year when their copyright holder was playing whack-a-mole with uploads. It’s very poorly-animated but fascinating.
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John Stewart has been talking so long into the void that the void started talking back.
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