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Solkanar512 posted:Why do folks always post stupid poo poo like this? You never take into account important context like humidity, construction methods, ability to open windows, clothing requirements, job/activity types, current medications or whether the temperature changes are sudden or gradual. Everyone proposing actual suggestions are proposing policy solutions that cannot be done on the individual level. Yeah, and it totally depends on the built environment and playing it up as a "people this X area just handle it better" is nonsense. I'm in Australia as well and our house is a bit draughty, but also all solid double brick with plastered internal walls. Means that the house can get really warm, or really cold, but it takes a while to move in either direction. Whereas right across from us are wood framed gyprock internals/exterior clad townhouses that need to run AC pretty much non-stop if they don't want to exactly match the current external temperature.
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Laserface posted:The article about the thermostats being raised is hilarious because 'woke up sweating' due to 78F is loving pussy rear end poo poo. https://twitter.com/ClickHole/status/1159237788392448001?s=19
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Jun 22, 2021 01:03
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withak posted:Presumably a commercial lab is not going to sign up for the program where someone else controls the AC. I’m responding to the idea that “anyone who can’t handle 78 degrees is a pussy”. And you’d be surprised how loving cheap a private lab can be.
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Jun 22, 2021 01:14
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Extremely humidity dependent I would think. Indoor temperature should be between 68 and 75 in most "comfortable" scenarios. yeah, when i was a kid and we lived in houston my parents kept it at 78. which was FINE because the thing had to run so much anyway it was always nice and dry so you'd walk in from outside and all your sweat would start evaporating immediately
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living in loving Texas and complaining that your house is being forcibly maintained at 25 degrees celsius is loving hilarious. 25 degrees in a climate controlled house is loving comfortable as gently caress. this isn't some 'tough aussie bastard' mindset either I loving HATE summer heat. I am a cold weather person. 25C outdoors is pleasant. adding in AC sucking the humidity out of the air and being indoors meaning shade makes it totally and utterly comfortable. poo poo I went to hawaii for a holiday and it was 27C all day every day and it was comfortable as gently caress. Not having blistering UV pummeling you while outdoors actually makes hotter weather even better - not a luxury we have in Australia. "Waking up sweating" is literally what happens when you have a 3 day heatwave above 35C (95F) through the night with no AC. 25c is business as usual. Sorry for your weak rear end texans being babies I suppose? maybe dont IoT your poo poo if you dont want someone else controlling your temperature?
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Jun 22, 2021 02:32
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Solkanar512 posted:The lab I used to work in would have massive, massive issues when the ambient temp got above a certain point - all of the fridges, freezers and -80 freezers would go apeshit trying to keep coo land you'd have runaway temperature increases. I measured 100+ in the basement lab area more than once. And that's before all the PPE that was required. Sometimes you do need to keep poo poo at 68 or 65 degrees. That's completely different though? Any industrial/commercial space with strict temperature requirements is going to have backup generators and absolutely ensure that the temperature remains controlled. Office areas might get warm, but labs are pretty meticulously cooled when necessary.
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Jun 22, 2021 02:36
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Just build underground then it’s never hot
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Jun 22, 2021 02:41
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Sextro posted:Just build underground then it’s never hot It worked for Tokyo 3...
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Jun 22, 2021 02:54
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Mister Facetious posted:It worked for Tokyo 3... And Coober Pedy!
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And Coober Pedy! Hey thread; google image search this town. 
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Sagacity posted:"This is America! I don't want your socialist energy-saving measures, I want capitalist subsidized electricity!" The people deciding that Something Should Be Done aren't the ones bring inconvenienced by heat waves.
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Jun 22, 2021 07:29
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Sextro posted:Just build underground then it’s never hot It worked well for Owen & Beru Lars
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Senor Tron posted:Yeah, and it totally depends on the built environment and playing it up as a "people this X area just handle it better" is nonsense. Wood framed housing is actually better at dealing with both hot and cold climates if they are built right and well insulated. Thermal mass eventually always works against you when the weather remains hot or cold for extended periods, which is every year. A well insulated house without much thermal mass basically only needs to cool the air inside and not work against the thermal mass any. So a house like that with active ventilation with a heat exchanger and proper awnings, perhaps window awnings too, would be a very effective house at keeping heat in or out depending. Another alternative is to have thermal mass, but it's insulated from the outdoors. Our house is built like that (free floating internal floor slab) and it does help, but one year even that got overwhelmed because the nights where 25C and days where 33C (in Finland) and we ended up cooking indoors during nights, had the doors open and fans in the doors to blow out the air. We have no AC. I think window awnings might have helped a lot, but they cost as much as an AC to install. We ended up doing nothing though.
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Volmarias posted:The people deciding that Something Should Be Done aren't the ones bring inconvenienced by heat waves. Heat? Just fly on your private plane south for summer. Duh. Just don't be hot idiots.
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https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/peloton-tread-owners-now-forced-into-monthly-subscription-after-recall/ Peloton's solution to their treadmills murdering children is to remove the option to use your $3000 treadmill without paying an additional $40 a month subscription fee
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Jose Valasquez posted:https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/peloton-tread-owners-now-forced-into-monthly-subscription-after-recall/ I can sort of understand buying a Peloton bike, particularly because there's so many crappy standing bikes out there and the classes are specific to the bike and fairly interactive. But paying out four times the price of a treadmill for a totally normal treadmill seems completely insane to me, particularly when the classes are, "Run and then jump off the treadmill and do floor exercises." While I was initially dubious about the unique safety concerns for the Peloton Tread, I've changed my mind over time. There's two differences that are dragging small people, animals, and objects under the treadmill, which can cause serious injuries to everyone involved. The first is that the Tread is raised up significantly higher than other treadmills, and the second is that the running surface is not a smooth continuous band but rather a slat system that has an increased gripping potential. The two factors were designed to reduce noise and joint pain, but combine to create a real potential for dragging things beneath the treadmill with increasing force. Kaal fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Jun 22, 2021 |
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Jun 22, 2021 15:51
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Kaal posted:... a totally normal treadmill... Huh? Also there's tons of stationary bikes or trainers out there that definitely don't cost over 1k. You're paying premium for a brand.
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Jose Valasquez posted:https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/peloton-tread-owners-now-forced-into-monthly-subscription-after-recall/ Not sure why anyone would want to pay four times the fee and be locked into proprietary hardware when Zwift exists, but they *do* pay a lot of money on advertising...
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poemdexter posted:Also there's tons of stationary bikes or trainers out there that definitely don't cost over 1k. You're paying premium for a brand. There are plenty of bargain-basement bikes but they aren't going to be equivalent of a modern spin cycle. I don't have a Peloton of any kind, but I think you might be surprised if you were looking at comparable exercise bikes. A Peloton cycle is about $1,900, and a similar Bowflex or Nordic track is going to be in the same price range. But there are tons of good quality treadmills with large smart screens that are $1,000 or less, whereas a Peloton Tread is wildly more expensive at $2,500-$4,300. And it just doesn't offer anything particularly different from any other treadmill.
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https://twitter.com/LordAmalthean/status/1407015308796309506
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Kaal posted:There are plenty of bargain-basement bikes but they aren't going to be equivalent of a modern spin cycle. I don't have a Peloton of any kind, but I think you might be surprised if you were looking at comparable exercise bikes. A Peloton cycle is about $1,900, and a similar Bowflex or Nordic track is going to be in the same price range. But there are tons of good quality treadmills with large smart screens that are $1,000 or less, whereas a Peloton Tread is wildly more expensive at $2,500-$4,300. And it just doesn't offer anything particularly different from any other treadmill. It can pulp your pets and small children at a significantly higher rate.
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Peloton/Juicero mashup when?
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Owling Howl posted:It can pulp your pets and small children at a significantly higher rate. To be honest, the injury rates aren't particularly different from other treadmills. They send about 24,000 Americans to the ER every year, mostly with broken bones or concussions. They're all relatively dangerous. The Peloton just offers unique safety issues that can be particularly concerning because they're unexpected.
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Something something false positive facial recognition argument
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Copyright holders should have to pay fines for takedowns of non-infringing material.
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Tuxedo Gin posted:Copyright holders should have to pay fines for takedowns of non-infringing material. Nah. We should jail their officers.
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Kaal posted:There are plenty of bargain-basement bikes but they aren't going to be equivalent of a modern spin cycle. I don't have a Peloton of any kind, but I think you might be surprised if you were looking at comparable exercise bikes. A Peloton cycle is about $1,900, and a similar Bowflex or Nordic track is going to be in the same price range. But there are tons of good quality treadmills with large smart screens that are $1,000 or less, whereas a Peloton Tread is wildly more expensive at $2,500-$4,300. And it just doesn't offer anything particularly different from any other treadmill. I think the issue is that I think an exercise bike doesn't need a smart screen. Mister Facetious posted:Not sure why anyone would want to pay four times the fee and be locked into proprietary hardware when Zwift exists, but they *do* pay a lot of money on advertising... Bingo. And if you absolutely need to have the automatic resistance change, you can always buy a real life bike and stick it on a 300 dollar magnetic trainer. Bonus: you can ride your bike outside or with a group!
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Laserface posted:The article about the thermostats being raised is hilarious because 'woke up sweating' due to 78F is loving pussy rear end poo poo. Actually American housing is built under the assumption that AC will be used. This presents some unique challenges when not used, but that is way less fun than making some snide remark. Even places like the EU that I hear goons going on about living without AC poo poo like this happens https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1631069107003770, so imagine a place where the interior design is even worse.
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Old James posted:It worked well for Owen & Beru Lars This is the tech nightmare thread, not the cops thread. Their underground home performed admirably until the local feral pig population caused issues.
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Sextro posted:Just build underground then it’s never hot Maybe bury the AC Condenser there? (yes, I know this is a thing)
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Kaal posted:I can sort of understand buying a Peloton bike, particularly because there's so many crappy standing bikes out there and the classes are specific to the bike and fairly interactive. But paying out four times the price of a treadmill for a totally normal treadmill seems completely insane to me, particularly when the classes are, "Run and then jump off the treadmill and do floor exercises." Why not buy an actual bike, use it for errands or even commutes, save $$$ and reduce your carbon footprint at the same time!
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Mister Facetious posted:Not sure why anyone would want to pay four times the fee and be locked into proprietary hardware when Zwift exists, but they *do* pay a lot of money on advertising... If your response to one fitness brand using a safety recall to force users into a subscription fee is "wow, I should make a post about how I'm so smart and would never buy that brand" rather than "this should probably be made illegal before they all do it" then congratulations, you're part of the problem.
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poemdexter posted:I think the issue is that I think an exercise bike doesn't need a smart screen. And if you absolutely need to have the automatic resistance change, you can always buy a real life bike and stick it on a 300 dollar magnetic trainer. Bonus: you can ride your bike outside or with a group! VideoGameVet posted:Why not buy an actual bike, use it for errands or even commutes, save $$$ and reduce your carbon footprint at the same time! Why not just be a barefoot runner and not spend any money at all? Reduce your carbon footprint to zero that way. Why bother trying to understand anyone's motivation to buy anything?
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Kaal posted:Why not just be a barefoot runner and not spend any money at all? Reduce your carbon footprint to zero that way. Why bother trying to understand anyone's motivation to buy anything? I totally understand how marketing and branding works and that's really the motivation people need to buy a thing when cheaper alternatives have existed for years and years. People aren't buying these expensive products because they are better, they are buying them because they are expensive and they can brag to their friends about owning one. It's the same reason people buy Teslas.
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Space Gopher posted:If your response to one fitness brand using a safety recall to force users into a subscription fee is "wow, I should make a post about how I'm so smart and would never buy that brand" rather than "this should probably be made illegal before they all do it" then congratulations, you're part of the problem. Yeah, I'm pretty sure if someone were to dig into any of these folks lives that we'd find luxuries that they strictly didn't need and make the same arguments against them. The idea that having your equipment disabled without an ongoing subscription as a "safety measure" is bullshit, regardless of how expensive the treadmill was.
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Kaal posted:Why not just be a barefoot runner and not spend any money at all? Reduce your carbon footprint to zero that way. Why bother trying to understand anyone's motivation to buy anything? It's just a cost savings suggestion. That's all.
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VideoGameVet posted:It's just a cost savings suggestion. That's all. You’re completely missing the point, then. Connectivity and processing power are incredibly cheap, to the point where it’s often cheaper to spec a smartphone app interface on an electronic device than a simple display and buttons. That can change on purely mechanical devices like a bike resistance trainer, but even there, it’s often not too expensive to add a few servos and solenoids. A quick look at REI shows that most of the higher-end options available today have some kind of app integration and a conspicuous lack of physical adjustment mechanisms. Plus, buyers like a lot of the functionality, like being able to do remote adjustments or integrate with their favorite workout apps. So, that gear is likely to migrate towards “smart” integration, especially outside the AliExpress bottom dollar market. Collecting every scrap of user data and associating it with individuals is close to free once the smart integration is there. Violating privacy and forcing users into subscription options literally cost negative money once the mandatory app interface and user data collection are in place, because they’re revenue opportunities. There are no significant disincentives for doing this, especially for entrants who aren’t the first one in and don’t have to deal with the PR backlash of “your fitness gear is spying on you.” So, great, you’re very smart and savvy and right now you can buy a good resistance trainer that won’t spy on you or demand a monthly fee to do anything. Congratulations for being such a skilled consumer. Absent some kind of regulatory intervention, good luck finding the same deal in the next one you buy. Space Gopher fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Jun 22, 2021 |
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VideoGameVet posted:It's just a cost savings suggestion. That's all. A spin bike meets a completely different need/goal than a bicycle other than the most vague of "get exercise" statements. Trainers get closer but there can be a lot of logistics/space issues with trainers and personally I find them really uncomfortable after 45 min or so, largely due to the disconnect between riding and what you're actually doing on a trainer. Pelatons are overpriced imo (especially given the expensive subscription) but there's a notable increase in quality with stationary/spin bikes as you pay more. I tried a lot before buying the nicer Costco knockoff and the big things are the quietness, comfort/position settings (huge if you have injuries like a bad back), and decent stat tracking if you're really into that. Treadmills probably have a price/quality curve but I don't think it nearly matches up with what Pelatons is asking.
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But none of this justifies disabling use of the machine without a $480/year subscription for “safety reasons”. And as mentioned above, this is going to happen to all the smart consumers here in the future if this isn’t clamped down hard.
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I'm just saying that a bicycle is a nice way of running errands and possibly commuting. If you have hills in your area, the training benefits are there as well.
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