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TheLoneStar posted:I decided to reread JoJolion since it's ending next month, and I gotta say I really miss Josuke needlessly stating the exact measurement of objects and distances. Gappy kinda gets flattened out as the story goes on, he was really weird in a neat Araki way in the first half of Part 8.
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he's got the least amount of personality, next is jotaro, then giorno
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Jul 16, 2021 22:59
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to be fair if he kept measuring everything the entire time people would be complaining about how annoying it is after a while beyond that, yeah, there's been less room for them to take a breath lately given the endless chasing and whatnot
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Jul 16, 2021 23:05
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Relin posted:he's got the least amount of personality, next is jotaro, then giorno Jotaro I feel gets a lot of nice little characterization moments throughout the series, Giorno doesn't change at all from the beginning and he's really boring. Just decided I'll die on this hill
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Jul 16, 2021 23:09
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TheLoneStar posted:I also forgot how severely Joshu was unhinged compared to how he was in further arcs. Dude seems like he can barley function in the first few chapters. I like how some of that comes back later during the Wonder of U fight when he goes into a fugue state and starts punching himself in the head because he can't deal with the thought of Yasuho giving handjobs with his equivalent-exchanged hand zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Jul 16, 2021 |
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Jul 16, 2021 23:13
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Thinking about that time Gappy tried to look for Yasuho and checked underneath the mattress.
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Jul 16, 2021 23:19
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in general i think i like gappy more than giorno in terms of personalization, he gets some weird poo poo going on and the whole deal with him realizing he's a hosed up crossbreed of different people helps put him ahead in my mind
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Jul 16, 2021 23:33
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Gappy does have some interesting personality quirks and characterization moments, we just haven't seen any in like three years real time
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Jul 16, 2021 23:35
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overmind2000 posted:I like how some of that comes back later during the Wonder of U fight when he goes into a fugue state and starts punching himself in the head because he can't deal with the thought of Yasuho giving handjobs with his equivalent-exchanged hand Johnny Joestar posted:to be fair if he kept measuring everything the entire time people would be complaining about how annoying it is after a while
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overmind2000 posted:starts punching himself in the head because he can't deal with the thought of Yasuho giving handjobs with his equivalent-exchanged hand This was probably my favorite part of the whole of Part8
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Jul 16, 2021 23:45
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Probably pointed out before, but rereading Jojolion I've also noticed that flashback Kira's hat is in the shop alongside Johnny's and Gyro's hats, which is a nice touch to hint at it being important. Still not totally sure what's up with the bite marks though. I mean it could be guardrail dude, but I had forgotten that Joshu also gets them on his leg after fighting Gapoy in ch1.
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CodfishCartographer posted:Still not totally sure what's up with the bite marks though. I mean it could be guardrail dude, but I had forgotten that Joshu also gets them on his leg after fighting Gapoy in ch1.
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I've only read Jojolion once, so most of this discussion makes no loving sense for me, but this was still a great chapter! A very pure Araki horror story not bogged down with lore that changes based on the weather and what he ate that day.somepartsareme posted:Jotaro I feel gets a lot of nice little characterization moments throughout the series, Giorno doesn't change at all from the beginning and he's really boring. Just decided I'll die on this hill Before I rewatched Stardust Crusaders recently I thought people were looking for jokes where there are now, but there Araki makes jokes about patterns like that, too, so it's pretty clearly intentional. Giorno isn't even on screen that long, so most of the discussion about him kinda boils down to speculation or the most basic poo poo.
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i feel like it's unfair of araki to disappoint everyone with that lackluster final act and then immediately win our hearts back with this insane guardrail bullshitTheLoneStar posted:That was weird, but going batshit crazy after losing an arm is still a bit better than he was in the first few chapters. I was just bummed he never ended up doing much in the final battle. Joshu needed his big moment, but it never really came. I kinda like that he never got one, he was just a total shithead from start to finish with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. goodnight sweet prince
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Jul 17, 2021 03:28
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i dunno why someone would even think joshu needed a big moment when even araki made it clear that he's a weasely fuckboy who got melted into the sewer among other things milagro man was almost too good for him. araki granted him a kindness to let him star in that.
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I'll be honest, I don't hate, or even dislike Joshu. I find him oddly endearing, maybe because we've already had literal actual mobsters as protagonists before, so a whiny douchebag hardly seems worse.
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He has attempted sexual assault before which, y'know, a little bit more than just being a douchebag, imo.
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You mean the Paper Moon King thing? He sincerely just thought Yasuho was coming onto him because he had no idea what the hell was going on. He jumped the gun in a weird situation but he didn't go in thinking he was going to be taking advantage of Yasuho. EDIT: I admit I'm taking Shuckmeister's theory of his character into things, though it's not canon like with the one with Jotaro. I like that theory for Jotaro though and it's what makes me connect to him a lot more. TheLoneStar fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Jul 17, 2021 |
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Jul 17, 2021 06:01
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did not expect a joshu defender tonight, what a thrillYinlock posted:i feel like it's unfair of araki to disappoint everyone with that lackluster final act and then immediately win our hearts back with this insane guardrail bullshit
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Jul 17, 2021 06:46
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Joshuu sucks but when he's not being a sexpest his personality does make for a fun guy to watch get owned.
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Man, reading over some of the early stuff in Jojolion, the tone of the Higashikata family is so different from how it turned out. I forgot how strongly it implies Norisuke is a villain. He's cruel to Joshu, demands Josuke obey his word as law, forbids Josuke from going upstairs and even apparently says Yasuho isn't to see Josuke anymore and threatens her family. I'm not sure if that was done just to make it seem like this unfamiliar place is scary to Josuke, or if Norisuke / the family as a whole was intended to be villains, but then Araki reconsidered. E: also I forgot that apparently the Higashikata logo was on the wrist of Kira's corpse. A lot of dropped / changed plot beats from the looks of it lol CodfishCartographer fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Jul 17, 2021 |
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CodfishCartographer posted:E: also I forgot that apparently the Higashikata logo was on the wrist of Kira's corpse. A lot of dropped / changed plot beats from the looks of it lol There's a bit of weirdness about Kira early on; remember ARE YOU A MAN OF THE SEA OR A MAN OF THE LAND?
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CodfishCartographer posted:Man, reading over some of the early stuff in Jojolion, the tone of the Higashikata family is so different from how it turned out. I forgot how strongly it implies Norisuke is a villain. He's cruel to Joshu, demands Josuke obey his word as law, forbids Josuke from going upstairs and even apparently says Yasuho isn't to see Josuke anymore and threatens her family.
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Splitting the Wonder of U fight between two locations was a huge mistake in retrospect. As great as it was watching Joshu go insane and Jobin get owned by a can of WD-40 I think it would have been a lot better if the the fight was between Tooru and Josuke at the hospital where the action and character work could be more focused. Tooru deploys his rock insects and Josuke gets saved by Rai or Yasuho showing up and it could be a thing about Josuke surviving because he made actual friends while Tooru uses everyone and doesn't have any non-rock insects left to help him. Maybe Tooru sends Wonder of U to kill Holly so Josuke has to pursue it and that leads to Kei being part of the fight. Hell you could easily have Tooru give a speech about memories and wanting to leave your mark on the world or something that makes him similar to Josuke gently caress I don't know, it feels like the pieces were here to make something far better than what we got zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Jul 17, 2021 |
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Funky Valentine posted:There's a bit of weirdness about Kira early on; remember ARE YOU A MAN OF THE SEA OR A MAN OF THE LAND? thats a perfectly normal thing to ask someone
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Surfer isn't a real career, Kira was right
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I totally forgot about the gag of Josuke telling Yasuho to look away while he beats the poo poo out of Ojiro.
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I thought I was acclimated enough to JJBA's brand of insanity that I'd just accept everything without question, but that guardrail made me think "What the gently caress?" for the first time in a long time.
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I'm really wondering how the anime will handle some of the big plot points that got dropped or went nowhere like Norisuke being set up as an obvious villain or the mark on Kira's wrist.
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I think there is an argument to be made for Norisuke's behavior MOSTLY just being a protective father who's initially untrusting of the stranger he's taken in. There's a few really bizarre lines that don't fit (at one point he thinks to himself that hell make Josuke "a slave in both body and mind") but if you get rid of those then it's easy to write off the foreshadowing of him as a villain as just a misunderstanding.
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I would've liked to see Norisuke get an actual fight, I really wanted to see what he would do with King Nothing.
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Honestly, when was the last time Josuke "took" something with his bubbles, anyways? It was the big focus of his power early on, but it gets less and less use as time goes on. Soft & Wet mostly just seems to kinda be "create bubbles that can be as hard or soft as needed" now. Ignoring the whole "that which does not exist" thing TheLoneStar posted:Didn't Yasuho get them too at one point or am I remembering wrong? I swear someone got it on their ankle or something. Yeah she has some on her ankle, she notices it when the Born This Way fight happens - it's shown in ch 13. CodfishCartographer fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Jul 17, 2021 |
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what's really bad is i kept thinking of poo poo where josuke could've gotten the upper hand by using his loving stand power and he just wouldn't
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What was Gappy's best fight? Did he ever go full vengeful Kira? Steal the concept of Oxygen from the air?
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I have really loved many moments of Jojolion, but it's by far the least cohesive series in Jojo. It's clear that Araki changed the direction he was taking the series a few times, which is fine and always happens, but I don't think he pulled it off very well in this case. The pursuit of the Rokakaka fruit has been the low point of the series story wise, but the wild poo poo that happens is super fun to read on a chapter by chapter basis. Like the tiny rock human babies being raised by wasps?? what???? I love that nonsense. I also don't care for how brutally Gappy and friends are getting hurt in fights, only to be perfectly fine afterwards with little to no explanation. The latter half of Jojolion has almost seemed like one-shots using the same character designs.
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Grouchio posted:What was Gappy's best fight? Did he ever go full vengeful Kira? Steal the concept of Oxygen from the air? Vitamin C or I Am a Rock both of them had some incredible finishes.
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PringleCreamEgg posted:I have really loved many moments of Jojolion, but it's by far the least cohesive series in Jojo. It's clear that Araki changed the direction he was taking the series a few times, which is fine and always happens, but I don't think he pulled it off very well in this case. The pursuit of the Rokakaka fruit has been the low point of the series story wise, but the wild poo poo that happens is super fun to read on a chapter by chapter basis. Like the tiny rock human babies being raised by wasps?? what???? I love that nonsense. Remember when Johnny got shot square in the forehead with a revolver and then he was fine because it was outside the 'effective range' of like 20 metres? Araki's been getting worse about his characters surviving absolutely inplausible injuries for a while
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Please don't make me think of Who Shot Johnny Joestar.
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multijoe posted:Remember when Johnny got shot square in the forehead with a revolver and then he was fine because it was outside the 'effective range' of like 20 metres? Araki's been getting worse about his characters surviving absolutely inplausible injuries for a while
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So re-reading Jojolion, something has popped out at me that may be revealing for the final chapter. These pages are from ch 22, the flashback about Johnny in Morioh:  Skipping ahead to this month's chapter, 109, there's a VERY familiar-looking tree in the area that Lucy is here to investigate:    It could be a coincidence, but Lucy knows about the corpse - it's possible she knew where Johnny hid it. She could even be the woman in that first page. The trees also look very similar - they're obviously the same type of tree, and they're both cut off at the top and stick out to the sides. There's also a second tree near the first. Since Johnny took a carriage there, it's near a roadway as well. It can also very clearly be seen that where Lucy visited is by the ocean, and the tree Johnny buried the corpse under is at the coast. I think it's very plausible the site of the Radio Gaga Incident is the same site that Johnny hid the corpse. PringleCreamEgg posted:I also don't care for how brutally Gappy and friends are getting hurt in fights, only to be perfectly fine afterwards with little to no explanation. The latter half of Jojolion has almost seemed like one-shots using the same character designs. To be fair, this is kind of A Thing in Jojo. Johnny got shot in the head multiple times and was fine. CodfishCartographer fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Jul 17, 2021 |
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