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Arquinsiel posted:The idea of Trayzn facing down Abbadon and turning his cap backwards to show how serious things are is What book is this in? i just read the infinite and the divine, i was thinking about getting the cadia books but i dunno the order or whatever.
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It's in The Gathering Storm part 1. It was published by GW rather than The Black Library, so it's a bit rough. A lot of people disliked it but it was the first time they've ever progressed the 40k lore so I kind of appreciate it. I think it's out of print, but you can listen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BedBwhDfgU4 There's also Cadia Stands by Justin Hill. It really doesn't show any of the big picture stuff though. It's more a collection of stories featuring doomed red-shirts.
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Jul 29, 2021 04:49
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It's in the Fall of Cadia game sourcebook IIRC.
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I am a somewhat infrequent browser of this thread so I probably missed discussion of these, but what is the general opinion of the books in the warhammer horror line?
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Jul 29, 2021 22:56
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXljeaktnDA TTS is going on hiatus.
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Jul 29, 2021 23:43
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Arcsquad12 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXljeaktnDA Yeah, they hit it with a stasis bomb. gently caress this company.
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Jul 30, 2021 00:10
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Is there a reading order between Dark Imperium and The Great Work? I don't expect a big cross over but what order makes sense for context?
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Bertilak posted:I am a somewhat infrequent browser of this thread so I probably missed discussion of these, but what is the general opinion of the books in the warhammer horror line? Mixed bag but I've definitely enjoyed a good deal of the ones I've read and more horror flavoured novels from before the Horror line. The House of Night and Chain and Requiem Infernal are my goto recommendations
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Jul 30, 2021 00:14
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Arbite posted:
Why? They've gone out and hired talent, spent money and developed the IP over 30+ years, they're not a grotesque juggernaut like Disney or DC, I think it's entirely valid for them to protect their revenue stream and brand.
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Azubah posted:Is there a reading order between Dark Imperium and The Great Work? I don't expect a big cross over but what order makes sense for context? I'd go with Dark Imperium first, then the other two in whatever order. There's a couple people and things that the first book introduces that come up in The Great Work.
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Jul 30, 2021 00:34
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Immanentized posted:Why? They've gone out and hired talent, spent money and developed the IP over 30+ years, they're not a grotesque juggernaut like Disney or DC, I think it's entirely valid for them to protect their revenue stream and brand. Sounds like to me you haven't been paying attention recently because they're starting to act like Disney or DC.
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Jul 30, 2021 00:47
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Ajaxify posted:Sounds like to me you haven't been paying attention recently because they're starting to act like Disney or DC. Nope, just a standard corporate move to mitigate risk and protect their intellectual property assets. They're not moving aggressively to acquire other franchises or multilateral media streams, they're also acting in good faith recruiting from fans and giving fair notice about changing practices.
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Jul 30, 2021 00:49
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Is GW not entitled to the sweat of their brow? (But seriously if we can we spare this thread the That’s Capatilism! Vs. They Don’t Have To Be Total Dicks debate that’d be Awesome it possible)
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Jul 30, 2021 01:12
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A free thing I like was taken away by a company that sells things I can't afford. Bleh.
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Jul 30, 2021 03:36
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The real grim darkness is the capitalism we made along the way
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Jul 30, 2021 03:37
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Immanentized posted:Nope, just a standard corporate move to mitigate risk and protect their intellectual property assets. They're not moving aggressively to acquire other franchises or multilateral media streams, they're also acting in good faith recruiting from fans and giving fair notice about changing practices. It can be a "standard corporate move" and still be completely boneheaded. Do you honestly feel these decisions are the best choices from the options available to GW? Do you think GW has the IP, experience, technical competence, and ability to competently pull off a streaming service that costs as much as Disney+ or Hulu per month? It seems to me that they saw streaming services are THE HOT NEW THING, and so they decided to jump on that money wagon by buying up all the existing talent and closing down anything that might ostensibly compete with them. Sounds like aggressive business tactics to me. Is the Warhammer community and brand really better off now that TTS is gone because WG is greedy? I personally was exposed to 40K lore through TTS. If they kill all the fan content and then lock things behind a lovely pay service that dies in a few years, then many new players like me could be lost. There must have been better ways to monetize animations using the IP than pulling an Epic Games crossed with Disney+. The issue, for me, is that these actions show that they remain out of touch with the player base and continue to value short term gains over a long term strategy and health of the brand. They can be acting in good faith and completely legally, and still be making the wrong decisions in multiple metrics. Even some shitlord on the 40k reddit defended them in the same way a few days back, except... well I'll let you read it for yourself: reddit posted:But what about fair use? Here's something else to consider. What if TTS is parody and therefore fair use? Bruva Alfabusa just had his rights infringed because he can't afford financially to stand-up to GW to protect them. That's not fair, it's not right, and it didn't have to be that way.
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Most of those questions are rhetorical for what it's worth. I don't want to completely derail the thread, but I'm bit upset about this situation, and I very much dislike the argument of "well it's within their rights" when it only applies to the big corporation with lots of money and lawyers.
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Jul 30, 2021 03:49
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There goes any desire I might have had to continue reading any WH40K books or watching any other WH40K content. GW could have been more like Lucasfilm (Pre Disney) where they embraced fan works and celebrated them, but nope, gotta get every dollar they can before 3D printing finishes them off.
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Jul 30, 2021 04:00
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Immanentized posted:Why? They've gone out and hired talent, spent money and developed the IP over 30+ years, they're not a grotesque juggernaut like Disney or DC, I think it's entirely valid for them to protect their revenue stream and brand. hope they see this bro
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Jul 30, 2021 04:01
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Are people forgetting that this is just GW 100% returning to form?
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Jul 30, 2021 04:17
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I thought maybe they changed after nearly ruining their company with short sighted profit grabs a couple of years ago.
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Jul 30, 2021 04:29
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Arquinsiel posted:Are people forgetting that this is just GW 100% returning to form? Yeah no kidding they cracked down on Damnatus the german live action fan film back in like the late 2000's this poo poo aint new.
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Jul 30, 2021 04:30
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Don't give GW money was the official motto of the actual 40k tabletop thread for quite some time.
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Kharn_The_Betrayer posted:Yeah no kidding they cracked down on Damnatus the german live action fan film back in like the late 2000's this poo poo aint new.
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Putting aside whether GW is right or wrong I think TTS made a bad decision. He says GW did not ask them to stop but he can't take the risk that they will sue him and he'll lose his house (to paraphrase). Except that isn't how it works. Before they do any law suit they will send him a cease and desist. So just do it until they send one then stop. If they were going to ask him to stop they would have done so when they asked literally every other fan work that's been made. It's clearly satire and I understand not wanting to fight the legal battle to prove that, but not even waiting on a cease and desist is the wrong decision IMO. The proof it's a misinformed decision is the fact that they still have all of their content up on their channel so it doesn't matter that he isn't making new content they are in the exact same situation as if he was. Not to mention waiting for the official cease and desist and then stopping for that reason would put even more pressure on GW from pissed off fans.
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On the other hand maybe making funny warhams videos for free becomes less fun with the proverbial Sword of Damocles hovering to take your head off. It’s not as if TTS had any sort of “Duty to the Community” to stand and fight. I wish them well.
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I mean, you could say it's satire, or you could say it's just flat out Warhammer fanfiction. It's kind of taken a similar turn to DBZA where it's felt less jokey and more earnest nowadays, and while silly stuff still happens it seems less to illuminate specific goofs about the setting and more in service of an ongoing narrative. I could see it dancing on the line just enough that the people running the show wouldn't feel comfortable going on. But even if it would likely be ruled as parody, the fact that the people running the show felt sufficiently disenfranchised into giving up the ghost is pretty telling. Even if GW has no interest in enforcing the harsh guideline they set down and are only doing it for some sort of legal reason, there's a clear sea change in how people feel about making 40k fanworks now. And that's just kind of sad, especially when you see how hard it hits people passionate about their work like the TTS team.
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D-Pad posted:Putting aside whether GW is right or wrong I think TTS made a bad decision. He says GW did not ask them to stop but he can't take the risk that they will sue him and he'll lose his house (to paraphrase). Except that isn't how it works. Before they do any law suit they will send him a cease and desist. So just do it until they send one then stop. Yeah, while a lot of the points they made were daft, I do understand them not wanting to put in any more work when there's a chance of all that work being wiped. HerpicleOmnicron5 fucked around with this message at 09:17 on Jul 30, 2021 |
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Alfa said that he will be uploading the next episode in the coming days but it's going into deep freeze after that and he's not taking down the videos u til he is forced to do so.
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I think that statement has put them on the hook legally in a much bigger way than continuing to produce videos until they got told specifically to stop would have. I'm just an internet idiot but he states that he is shutting down because to his understanding Games Workshop is going hard after copyright stuff and they could be legally liable, essentially "we are infringing on their copyright and therefore at risk". But then he basically says "but we don't want to talk to GW about it because then they might notice us and demonetize our videos and patreon", ie: "but we would like to continue to make money off something we just admitted is not legal so we just aren't going to check if that's actually okay so as not to draw attention to ourselves for as long as possible" AND THEN they're releasing a two part final episode that they had already finished editing, so: "and here is our final release of our product that we admit we are illegally profiting off of" Those seem like EXTREMELY bad things to say openly in a statement like this. hopterque fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Jul 30, 2021 |
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Jul 30, 2021 14:05
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Lol,  TTS and what an own goal.
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hopterque posted:Those seem like EXTREMELY bad things to say openly in a statement like this.  Probably better to have just said nothing beyond "need to take a break". Maybe blame the rona or something.
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Arquinsiel posted:
He mentions a bunch of very compelling personal reasons to not continue for the time being anyway, like having a newborn child. Just go with that dude ahhhh.
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Kharn_The_Betrayer posted:Yeah no kidding they cracked down on Damnatus the german live action fan film back in like the late 2000's this poo poo aint new. Wasn't that partially because of German copyright laws? The discourse I remember from back then was that they allowed it but once the release came up there was something in the german laws that came up that made things a bit more complicated.
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Ardent Communist posted:What book is this in? i just read the infinite and the divine, i was thinking about getting the cadia books but i dunno the order or whatever. He chills with Cawl in Battlefleet Gothic, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWEH4sjqlmY Inspector_666 fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Jul 30, 2021 |
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Cooked Auto posted:Wasn't that partially because of German copyright laws? The discourse I remember from back then was that they allowed it but once the release came up there was something in the german laws that came up that made things a bit more complicated. quote:Andy Jones, legal and licensing head for Games Workshop, said this law confers rights on the creators of works that cannot be given away. yeah it would have been a disaster in terms of IP rights i guess.
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hopterque posted:I think that statement has put them on the hook legally in a much bigger way than continuing to produce videos until they got told specifically to stop would have. Oh yeah I didn't even get that far into the video. Sorry but TTS is being dumb. He clearly doesn't understand what is actually going on and how this all works. Somebody mentions sword of Damocles above but as long as his videos are still up zero threat has been removed. Releasing a new video plus what he said in that statement just increases his danger. Remember that one nerdy kid who when somebody did something really innocuous but against the rules and he flipped out and acted like somebody was shooting up heroin at his house with his parents in the next room and no amount of reasoning could calm him down and his response ended up making it worse? Brufa is that kid.
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hopterque posted:He mentions a bunch of very compelling personal reasons to not continue for the time being anyway, like having a newborn child. Just go with that dude ahhhh. Someone did raise a compelling point on that, at least - the fact the backlash is this bad only when it's free content stopping is telling about the community's intent with the backlash. See the significant backlash to Sodaz joining up with GW (and hence not releasing more free work) and the relative nonreaction when that backlash was enough to get Sodaz to quit doing paid work, too. For the vast majority of the community it was never about "GW being too protective of their IP" or any nuanced takes; it's "daddy's taking away my free toys ahhhhh". (For clarity since this could read as bootlicking, gently caress IP law and its abuses, GW is 100% in the moral wrong even if they're legally right, but I'm not broken up by artists choosing not to publish their own work. Alfa included.) Alfa did the smart thing, saw the Sodaz backlash, and timed it well enough that he could divert blame to GW. Zero chance he would have stopped if it wasn't so easy to redirect the anger away from him right now. And of course, this route leaves the future "return to great fanfare" option open.
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In reality he just admitted to copyright infringement and GW can bring a legal case, point to that admission, and declare that any money he's made from the project at all is "damages" and then ask for punitive action on top of that. He "did the smart thing" in that when you're already on the tightrope above the shark tank you may as well spark a joint.
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Arquinsiel posted:He "did the smart thing" in that when you're already on the tightrope above the shark tank you may as well spark a joint. ... We can qualify it as "the smartest of an array of dumb things", if that's better for accuracy. Took the route that wouldn't have him getting harassed by his community from all corners while in the middle of raising a newborn child.
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