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Telsa Cola posted:Space Marines normally produce Geneseed throughout their life span, its just harvested after a bit. It's generally how destroyed chapters rebuild and why it takes awhile. That would make more sense and is my own head-canon. But I believe official canon is it's 'one and done' and only harvested post-mortem.
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Aug 6, 2021 09:15
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Deptfordx posted:That would make more sense and is my own head-canon. But I believe official canon is it's 'one and done' and only harvested post-mortem. Official canon is that there are 2 from each Marine because at some point they realized otherwise was really stupid.
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Aug 6, 2021 09:42
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Yes there's two, I meant it's a one-time deal on the extraction. They're not regularly harvested then regrow, which when you consider the frequency that gene-seed is damaged/bodies aren't recoverable/implantation fails would make way more sense to explain how they keep numbers up and rebuild. But apparently not.
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Aug 6, 2021 10:00
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Deptfordx posted:Yes there's two, I meant it's a one-time deal on the extraction. They're not regularly harvested then regrow, which when you consider the frequency that gene-seed is damaged/bodies aren't recoverable/implantation fails would make way more sense to explain how they keep numbers up and rebuild. But apparently not. Warhammer handles scale more poorly than any other setting I can think of tbh. Like there could literally be one million times as many Space Marines as there are canonically and they'd still be far too rare to play anywhere near the roles they do in the lore.
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Aug 6, 2021 10:14
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Deptfordx posted:Yes there's two, I meant it's a one-time deal on the extraction. They're not regularly harvested then regrow, which when you consider the frequency that gene-seed is damaged/bodies aren't recoverable/implantation fails would make way more sense to explain how they keep numbers up and rebuild. But apparently not. 
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Aug 6, 2021 11:01
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Arquinsiel posted:In some sources one of the two progenoids is harvested earlly and then the second when the marine dies, or both at once if they die earlier. You still need two to put into a new marine though so I thought you only need one, and they grew the second?
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Aug 6, 2021 11:47
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There's two progenoid glands that typically get harvested at death, but they're like testes and they each contain multitudes. The Apothecaries harvest the stem cells and culture them into new gene seed organs. Each Astartes can create many more, though it takes 10 years for the full cycle.
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Aug 6, 2021 12:38
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I thought you only need one, and they grew the second? 
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Aug 6, 2021 12:46
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Fearless posted:The Iron Hands are fascinating because of all that unrealized potential. The death of their primarch was incredibly traumatic for them and especially harmful because he himself recognized that the path the legion was on was not a healthy one at all. Ferrus was trying to work on his legion's emotional repression when he died, and his death served to catalyze an extreme reaction that undid all his work and robbed them of what they could be for ten thousand years. Their story is every bit as tragic as a lot of the traitor legions. They're my Big Favourites and I'm glad they're getting more development and characters and such lately
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Aug 6, 2021 13:28
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Zore posted:Warhammer handles scale more poorly than any other setting I can think of tbh. Like there could literally be one million times as many Space Marines as there are canonically and they'd still be far too rare to play anywhere near the roles they do in the lore. You could add 2 or 3 zeroes to most numbers in 40k and they'd make much more sense
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Aug 6, 2021 13:31
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Progenoid glands are stored in the balls.
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Aug 6, 2021 13:47
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Zore posted:Warhammer handles scale more poorly than any other setting I can think of tbh. Like there could literally be one million times as many Space Marines as there are canonically and they'd still be far too rare to play anywhere near the roles they do in the lore. Not just marines. I just reread the first Watchers on the Throne book, and there's a bit where one of the characthers is musing about the massive relief force of guardsmen being sent to Cadia. That's taken years to assemble etc. And it's half a million men. Which sounds a lot, but it really isn't There were hundreds of millions of combatants in WW2. Half a million+ is an Army Group, there were 3 main army groups (plus smaller formation like the airborne forces) just taking part in the Allied assault on Germany in the west. That's one side on one front. Sending half a million guys to what is supposed to be a massive world wide, total war campaign isn't reinforcement, it's homeopathy.
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Aug 6, 2021 14:20
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Biplane posted:Progenoid glands are stored in the balls.
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Aug 6, 2021 14:26
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Improbable Lobster posted:They're my Big Favourites and I'm glad they're getting more development and characters and such lately I’m curious to read more about them, any recommendations?
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Aug 6, 2021 14:27
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Deptfordx posted:Not just marines. I just reread the first Watchers on the Throne book, and there's a bit where one of the characthers is musing about the massive relief force of guardsmen being sent to Cadia. That's taken years to assemble etc.
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Aug 6, 2021 14:30
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Improbable Lobster posted:They're my Big Favourites and I'm glad they're getting more development and characters and such lately Where can I read more about the Iron Hands outside of the codex? I've read the first 20+ Horus Heresy books, so I'm familiar with the death of Ferrus, but not much outside of that. HH: - Angel Exterminatus apparently features them prominently, I skipped that one. - Meduson (an anthology of IH stories) 40k: - Wrath of Iron - Iron Hands - The Voice of Mars Anything else I need to check out?
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Aug 6, 2021 14:54
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Is there some reason why the Thramas campaign is so glossed over in the HH series? Trying to read through more chronologically and that whole thing is a mess with short stories coming out before Vulkan lives which precedes it then more short stories come later.
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Aug 6, 2021 15:09
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Even Abnett walked back some of his sillier scale issues from earlier Ghosts books. The first few books refer to Slaydo's crusade as being a million men strong. The newer books put this at nearly two billion active combatants and Throne knows how many support units. It's neat that the Sabbat crusade actually has some logistics issues for transporting all the men. They bring old ships out of mothballs when they can't spare the heavier cruisers for milk runs or suicide missions.
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Aug 6, 2021 15:41
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Arcsquad12 posted:Even Abnett walked back some of his sillier scale issues from earlier Ghosts books. The first few books refer to Slaydo's crusade as being a million men strong. The newer books put this at nearly two billion active combatants and Throne knows how many support units. And if you need Space Marines for a black ops strike force? You can have three. Not three squads. Three marines.
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Aug 6, 2021 15:53
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Arcsquad12 posted:Even Abnett walked back some of his sillier scale issues from earlier Ghosts books. The first few books refer to Slaydo's crusade as being a million men strong. The newer books put this at nearly two billion active combatants and Throne knows how many support units. Hell, he starts to fix the number as early as Necropolis, where the number of enemy infantry in first wave of the siege of Vervunhive alone is estimated at somewhere between half a million to 1.5 or more.
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Aug 6, 2021 16:05
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:And if you need Space Marines for a black ops strike force? Pfft, 3 marines or Oan(1) Mkoll
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Aug 6, 2021 16:07
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Progenoid canon is that one is implanted in new marines and then a 2nd one grows in 5-10 years. Some chapters have a policy of removing one as soon as it is mature while others wait until death or if they are being sent into something particularly risky they'll mass harvest from all the marines participating.
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Aug 6, 2021 16:13
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:And if you need Space Marines for a black ops strike force? But one of them is named Holofurnace. Holo. Furnace. I loving love that name.
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Aug 6, 2021 16:30
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If only the rest of his squad had been available. Fullstove, Uncutboiler, Totalsmithy. And of course Brother Sergeant Unexpurgatedkiln. Heroes all.
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Aug 6, 2021 18:05
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Arcsquad12 posted:But one of them is named Holofurnace. Holo. Furnace. Can't remember - did he lose his head? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holofernes
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Aug 6, 2021 22:02
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D-Pad posted:Progenoid canon is that one is implanted in new marines and then a 2nd one grows in 5-10 years. Some chapters have a policy of removing one as soon as it is mature while others wait until death or if they are being sent into something particularly risky they'll mass harvest from all the marines participating.
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Aug 6, 2021 22:08
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Shroud posted:Can't remember - did he lose his head? Oh I know that he's a pun on Holofernes, I just think the spelling Holofurnace is amazing and hilarious. he doesn't get decapitated by Judith but he does die while fighting hundreds of sek cultists to let Mkoll and Milo take out the Anarch. while fighting naked
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Aug 6, 2021 22:43
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The Ghosts are called out in fiction as having a massive swarm of camp followers, as every regiment does, but a lot of the baseline logistical work (arming, feeding and so on) is handled by the Munitorium, which is at least as big as the Guard and exists for that purpose only
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Aug 6, 2021 23:44
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Sextro posted:I’m curious to read more about them, any recommendations? No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:Where can I read more about the Iron Hands outside of the codex? I've read the first 20+ Horus Heresy books, so I'm familiar with the death of Ferrus, but not much outside of that. The current ongoing Iron Hands trilogy (The Voice of Mars and The Eye of Medusa) is probably the best start, but as mentioned above Chris Wraight's Wrath of Iron novel is excellent. Jonathan Green's Iron Hands is also decent, but IIRC it's from 2003 or 4 and doesn't quite jive with some of the current lore. Short story-wise Chris Wraight's Flesh, Anthony Reynolds' The Blessing of Iron and Matt Westbrook's Medusan Wings are all good. I bought all of the non-HH Iron Hands ebooks and short stories from BL a while back, which was easy because there's not very many. Fulgrim by Graham McNeil has good Ferrus Manus time and I enjoyed the short story Faith In Iron. I also liked the Ferrus Manus primarch book, but others in this thread have been cold on it. I really like the IH for being traumatized weirdos that are in deep self-denial. Their self-loathing and body dysmorphia make them one of the more tragic legions while their repression and complete disregard for their allies make them very grim and dark. They're a good mix of tragedy and horror
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Aug 7, 2021 00:02
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Awesome thank you!
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Aug 7, 2021 00:51
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They still going with the whole the Iron Hands are somehow turning themselves into blanks through a combination of bionics and severe emotional repression? This is never outright stated but is heavily implied in at least one of the books.
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Aug 7, 2021 02:01
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The short story (6 pages iirc) Iron Soul is about an IH dreadnought what don't have nothing in it
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Aug 7, 2021 02:42
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Improbable Lobster posted:The short story (6 pages iirc) Iron Soul is about an IH dreadnought what don't have nothing in it Thank you for reminding me of this, and for my brain immediately going to "Warhammer Horror type of tone, with a good writer doing Iron Hands" as something to pray for.
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Aug 7, 2021 03:13
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Is warhammer 40k crimes as a product dead ? I read the first two and haven't seen anything since.
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Aug 7, 2021 03:15
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Books are slow
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Aug 7, 2021 03:21
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SkyeAuroline posted:Thank you for reminding me of this, and for my brain immediately going to "Warhammer Horror type of tone, with a good writer doing Iron Hands" as something to pray for. A Deathwatch IH briefly shows up in the Dark Coil short story A Sanctuary of Wyrms, and it's weird and excellent
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Aug 7, 2021 03:22
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Improbable Lobster posted:A Deathwatch IH briefly shows up in the Dark Coil short story A Sanctuary of Wyrms, and it's weird and excellent I keep meaning to read more Fehervari. I should really get around to it.
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Aug 7, 2021 03:24
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Making Space Marines asexual is honestly one of the best things they've done for the lore. So many unpleasant reading moments avoided.
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Aug 7, 2021 03:36
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Waroduce posted:Is warhammer 40k crimes as a product dead ? I read the first two and haven't seen anything since. Nope. New anthology is going in preorder tomorrow. All the crime stuff so far has been great so I'm excited.
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