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gradenko_2000 posted:I just remembered when there was another Schnorkles account that was schnorkies That's poll plane variant who I'm mostly sure is Shovelbum.
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Thoguh posted:Glad to know that as a US citizen my governor can just decide to openly try and murder me with not so much as a strongly worded letter in response. abbott is the same way. I was super happy to see him warm & happy during the ice storm earlier this year, blaming wind mills for the blackout and later smiling about taking my bodily autonomy, then later smiling about how well his COVID went I would have accepted the bare minimum, like a postcard that just said "lol gently caress you"
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actionjackson posted:just curious what can they actually do that wouldn't be struck down by the SC An inability to legally respond to a state's governor fully embracing death cult may in fact be a sign of a federal government that's incompetent and useless.
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Casey Finnigan posted:it's just contrarianism. the big bad people want us to quarantine? want us to get vaccinated? nope. if the big bad people want us to do that, then of course we won't do that. I believe that for most of them, yeah, but like DeSantis has to realize this is just killing his voters and his supporters and for nothing. Like I don't think he's an idealogue like MTG or whatnot, I thought he was just one of your typical Trump-style nihilists larping a fascist to win votes from real fascists. I admit I don't know too much about him - is he in fact a true believer?
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Thoguh posted:That's poll plane variant who I'm mostly sure is Shovelbum. whatever happened to shovelbum? i remember they had constant tirades against working from home
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Thoguh posted:Glad to know that as a US citizen my governor can just decide to openly try and murder me with not so much as a strongly worded letter in response. Reminder that chuds are flocking to Florida because of the lack of restrictions, so a good chunk of these people are willingly running full tilt into a buzzsaw. They want to die.
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Covid gets worse and people stay at home. Because people are staying home covid gets better. The clickbait 24hr news reports this, so people go out again, so covid gets worse This cycle continues until we can mutate a variant that puts an end to this excuse for a civilization.
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Lacrosse posted:Reminder that chuds are flocking to Florida because of the lack of restrictions, so a good chunk of these people are willingly running full tilt into a buzzsaw. They want to die. They're flocking to Texas too. I haven't ever seen this many out of state plates that weren't from Louisiana after a hurricane.
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RedneckwithGuns posted:Still nothing, because "Well my daughter is a nurse in a big city near here and she says they haven't treated a single unvaccinated person for COVID at her hospital, it's all vaccinated people". I'm stupidly imagining (because it doesn't matter and lol at the slim percentage chance it's true) that if you change "at her hospital" to "at her specific floor" and the daughter nurse works on a floor that's for the actual mildest of hospitalized cases so it actually is all vaccinated people. Meanwhile 2 floors up the ICU+fake expanded ICU are filled with unvaccinated people dying non-stop. I'm currently dealing with my 4 year old trying to understand that one of our dogs died and what death is and what it means to be dead, which then makes me think about all the kids out there trying to understand the deaths of their parents from covid or their friends at school 
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actionjackson posted:just curious what can they actually do that wouldn't be struck down by the SC the SC can't reverse the effects of deploying an anthropomorphic rabbit with a giant handsaw to remove florida from the mainland
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not_superiority posted:They're flocking to Texas too. I haven't ever seen this many out of state plates that weren't from Louisiana after a hurricane. Good, they're self containing themselves so we don't have to bother putting them in FEMA camps.
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actionjackson posted:just curious what can they actually do that wouldn't be struck down by the SC They could issue OSHA guidance to protect workers. They could tie federal funding to minimum acceptable levels of anti-disease efforts in the state. They could require vaccinations to travel between states on any common carrier. Etc. There are a million things they could do if they wanted to. This is also ignoring that laws aren't real and they can do whatever they feel is needed and let the supreme court come in later and say it was overreach but oops, too bad, already did it.
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not_superiority posted:abbott is the same way. I was super happy to see him warm & happy during the ice storm earlier this year, blaming wind mills for the blackout and later smiling about taking my bodily autonomy, then later smiling about how well his COVID went There were billboards up here in Pennsylvania saying "RENEWABLE ENERGY DOES NOT WORK* * SEE TEXAS SNOWSTORM FEBRUARY 2021"
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I believe that for most of them, yeah, but like DeSantis has to realize this is just killing his voters and his supporters and for nothing. Like I don't think he's an idealogue like MTG or whatnot, I thought he was just one of your typical Trump-style nihilists larping a fascist to win votes from real fascists. I admit I don't know too much about him - is he in fact a true believer? I just figure the job of the republicans is to oppose the democrats, and at this point there's no real disagreement between the democrats and republicans on legislative priorities (neither party seemingly wants to pass anything) or the supreme court (the republicans have it and the democrats won't do anything about that, issue resolved). So the opposition just moves to where the disagreement is. Right now the biggest wedge between the two parties is in public health response to covid, although neither wants to go far enough. So from my point of view it's really as simple as "i'm a republican, i have to go against the dems. what are the dems doing? quarantining and mandates? I am against that". Material reality is as irrelevant for this kind of decision-making as it is for any other kind of political decision-making
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Paradoxish posted:An inability to legally respond to a state's governor fully embracing death cult may in fact be a sign of a federal government that's incompetent and useless. To be fair, while the American system is broken and dysfunctional and has serious problems even when everything is working as intended, this is a little unfair. No system can really account for what is going on right now with the GOP. Like the solution can't come from within the system but rather without, and lol Dems are worthless. Imagine you're playing a board game with someone and they keep cheating. Flagrantly and openly. Also sometimes they just refuse to play. There is nothing in the rules of the game that you can employ to stop them because they've already demonstrated they don't give a gently caress about any of the rules and will just do whatever they want, whenever they want. We could have had the greatest constitution ever written and we'd still be unable to account for the GOP without forcibly removing them from office. Like maybe you can argue a federal ability to remove elected leaders from office would avoid this, but that's still kind of just treating a symptom. The problem is that we have open fascism in this nation and the only people who are in any position to resist the fascists are unable or unwilling to acknowledge they are in fact fascists.
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Here's a cool fact. The supreme court actually has no authority if the president or congress doesn't want to listen to them. As old poo poo head Andrew Jackson said in response to SC telling him not to dislocate all the natives: "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it."
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Zurtilik posted:Here's a cool fact. The supreme court actually has no authority if the president or congress doesn't want to listen to them.
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Zurtilik posted:Here's a cool fact. The supreme court actually has no authority if the president or congress doesn't want to listen to them. maybe it really depends on what the exact context is
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Yes, but the difference is that the president can deploy troops and the court cannot. Though I suppose a real coup would shake up any and all expectations.
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Yeah, its pretty cool how much of a house of cards (starring Kevin Spacey!) the government really is.
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It's the real terror of any parent that their kid will realize I cannot actually stop them from doing much. Especially if I don't want to use violence against them. Help!
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:To be fair, while the American system is broken and dysfunctional and has serious problems even when everything is working as intended, this is a little unfair. No system can really account for what is going on right now with the GOP. Like the solution can't come from within the system but rather without, and lol Dems are worthless. Even if I agree with you in a general sense, I don't think it's applicable here. We're talking about disaster response and management, which is explicitly something that states should not be able to interfere with at this level.
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Zurtilik posted:It's the real terror of any parent that their kid will realize I cannot actually stop them from doing much. Especially if I don't want to use violence against them. my dad yelled very loud and it made me not do whatever the thing was
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Paradoxish posted:Even if I agree with you in a general sense, I don't think it's applicable here. We're talking about disaster response and management, which is explicitly something that states should not be able to interfere with at this level. And yet...
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Casey Finnigan posted:my dad yelled very loud and it made me not do whatever the thing was Yes, usually SOMETHING will eventually stop a child. But if they REALLY thought about it... Oh no!
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fosborb posted:oh saving the gently caress out of this lmao If you click through to the COVID19 Scenario Modeling Hub website you can see their previous models overlaid with the subsequent real world data and their hit rate is absolute dog poo poo. They're remarkably bad. They always predict that cases will drop away to zero fairly soon and at worst there might be a slight wave so if cases actually do drop off they get some fairly close fitting models, and they were doing well around the new year. The actual data mostly fell outside their 95% confidence level shaded area but they eventually caught up again after a few months:  Their models from February onwards, on the other had, completely poo poo the bed:     Basically it's pure dumb luck whether their models work out and they're absolutely incapable of accurately predicting an increase in cases
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The GOP suffered less for its failed coup earlier this year than Hitler did for the Beer Hall Putsch. They at least gave Hitler a slap on the wrist jail sentence. I forget if it was the prior version of this thread, or a rare good post in D&D, but I recall someone arguing once that they suspected - while not to absolve Biden of his misdeeds - part of why Biden has been so loathe to do anything about the failed coup or the Cornavirus isn't just because he doesn't want to, but also because he can't. That our institutions have atrophied and become rotten so badly that even if Biden was a poster in this thread who knew and wanted to do everything, and even if he had the full backing of the majority of Congress, there's so much institutional rot and dysfunction at all other levels of government that he wouldn't be able to. America is a failed state. We're a dying empire and a collapsing civilization. Inability to address crises is simply a pronounced and obvious symptom of that. Just like how an elderly dying man might be lain low by a simple illness a younger, healthier, one would shrug off. So like yeah, I do have to suspect that even if Biden was the leader we needed, he'd still be nearly as impotent as he is. And, again, it's not like you don't have lots of precedent for this. Maybe because I've been watching Three Kingdoms (Cao Cao is bae) with some friends, but yeah, I can't help but think of various points in Chinese history, or the Sengoku period in Japan, where the Emperor was this figurehead who wielded no temporal power, but everyone still paid lip service and pretended that he was. Like how even Cao Cao pretended that he was acting on behalf of the Emperor and that the Han Dynasty was still a thing. And that's kind of where we are, or soon will be. There is no real federal government anymore, but we're all still kind of pretending there is.
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Coldrice posted:hey no problem! how do i move the walls and meeting tables so that i can make an copy of the floorplan of my work
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Pillowpants posted:COVID STATE BY STATE ROUNDUP 9/22/21: It's my birthday and I'll crack ping if i want to. quote:After Mandating Masks Outdoors, Oregon’s Active COVID-19 Cases Increased 73 Percent hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm if only we could find the single, large event that happened these last two weeks that could've caused an insane increase in infections that also happens to correspond with summer ending.. alas, we shall never know.
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Potato Salad posted:"Worries about fertility, dies" she will make extremely fertile soil
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Biden trying executive orders against the courts might make him appear more dynamic, it would build a campaign for 2022, start justifying a Supreme Court reform, and just generally be good politics. It ain't happening.
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Zurtilik posted:Here's a cool fact. The supreme court actually has no authority if the president or congress doesn't want to listen to them. you can only ignore the Supreme Court if it benefits white slave owners
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Louisgod posted:hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm if only we could find the single, large event that happened these last two weeks that could've caused an insane increase in infections that also happens to correspond with summer ending.. alas, we shall never know. Masks cause covid.
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