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Honestly, unless Good!Satoko comes back in a big way I can't see anything that we got from the first 13 episodes of Sotsu that was necessary. Neither the rest of the gang or Teppei proved relevant in the end, it's all Rika vs Satoko. They could have saved themselves even more money and just made a single 24 episode series easily. Stick the gun episode, Sotsu 14 and 15 after the end of Gou and I suspect the show would be improved overall. It looks like the manga team agrees and is going to have a normal goddamn plot so I suspect it's going to end up as the superior narrative.
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I knew there were going to be plot divergences as soon as I saw that a VN and a manga were running alongside the anime. We still need to see if the last episode of Sotsu brings a conclusion (satisfaction pending) to literally anything at this point, but the other mediums already have plenty to fix in post.
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E14: I chose to torture my best friend for 100 years then go super saiyan over having a 30 minute conversation about studying.
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I liked it. This whole season has been stupid and dull torture porn and this was at least some exciting emotional conflict. Would have been great if this all happened like 8 episodes ago. There's also something very cathartic when "mastermind" villains get called out for actually having really petty, pathetic motivations.
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Sep 28, 2021 22:49
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Big Scary Owl posted:If they manage to put the watanagashi dance again in the last episode I'll have a fit (not really but drat) I want the entire club to do the dance over the end credits.
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J-Spot posted:I want the entire club to do the dance over the end credits. Only if they do it over Eua’s prone body. 
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Sep 29, 2021 15:23
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Sep 29, 2021 16:07
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final episode reveals this was all just a preview of a new pubg mobile map https://twitter.com/PUBGMOBILE_JP/status/1443395170561445890
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The confirmation that Rika stayed about as obsessed with Satoko as ever at St. Lucia sure fits. And funnily enough, she didn't want Satoko to give her any space to live her life - she wanted Satoko to remain right by her side the entire time and was confused and upset when she didn't join the club. But even as she kept inviting Satoko to hang out with her new posse, Satoko kept turning her down because it was never just Rika approaching her. Two girls disconnecting over refusing to be the first to seek out the other privately, and not trusting that their feelings were staying true despite the separation. Maybe the Angel Mort meeting was just going to be Rika trying to appeal to Satoko again to join her tea club with her Hinamizawa friends backing her up. Hard to say what'd have happened without Eua's meddling, though I kinda doubt Satoko would do anything quite as dramatic. But hey, Rika's willing to destroy everything to stay together with Satoko, so maybe that's what the girl needed to hear all along. Time to see what Hanyuu's miracle will be, I suppose.
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Ignis posted:final episode reveals this was all just a preview of a new pubg mobile map Now that's a good lol we all needed before... Whatever the hell happens tomorrow
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Ignis posted:final episode reveals this was all just a preview of a new pubg mobile map ...I didn't think that was real at first, holy gently caress.
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Ignis posted:final episode reveals this was all just a preview of a new pubg mobile map Imagine a remake of higurashi taking place today, so the Game Club plays Fortnite and COD instead of old maid
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Episode 15: Rika doesn't kill Satoko but she's still mad so they fight until exhausted. Eua gets cracked and becomes Hanyuu-sized. It's back to the original...ish world. Rika leaves alone in 1987 for St. Lucia, but she and Satoko promise to meet again when something else cries. They still have witch eyes. you plays, montage shows it's not quite as it was before - Teppei is still good now, etc. Satoshi wakes up.
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Also a countdown for something in December. https://higurashinazotoki.olevent.jp/lp/
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Tiny Eua is very good 10/10. Wish we'd seen Satoko and Satoshi's reunion...maybe in the manga. Overall it was a better ending than I was expecting.
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good finale. liked the part where they threw the sword off the bridge, though I would've liked some more conservative camera angles for the face-punching segments (even if ep14 was an order of magnitude worse in that regard). the witch origin story stuff was laid out a little plainly (see: rika and satoko's final exchange, which is just a rehash of some of their umineko lines); I think they could've afforded to get a bit more metaphorical/indirect with it, especially since everyone realized it a season ago. to my shock, the boring hanyuu/eua stuff had a payoff, though it felt like an anticlimax after the rika/satoko fight (the thing I actually cared about) was implicitly resolved. sotsugyou: a decent show when it's not rehashing the original anime and/or earlier parts of itself
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I'd say this was a fine story that was more than twice as long as it needed to be because it rehashed Higurashi's structure unnecessarily.
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Finale ramblings: Could have been worse. I liked how their argument devolved from DBZ battle to hair pulling. I do appreciate that they showed us the split timeline although that just leaves me with more questions about the nature of the fragment worlds in Higurashi. It feels like one was showing what really happened and the other was a fan fiction bottle fragment Satoko tossed in the ocean. I'll be interested to see people's interpretations. All the people waiting for their Umineko fan service got their wish. It was a bit eye-rolling but at least it wasn't Bern and Lambda flying off into the sky and winking at the camera. Good to see Eua get her comeuppance. gently caress off you useless non-character. There have been a lot of crazy theories about where this show was headed but I always expected it to boil down to a pretty simple, human story in the end. I've figured we were going to get the old "if you love something set it free" ending for a while now so having Rika and Satoko agree to go their separate ways only to eventually reunite was a blindingly obvious conclusion. It's still kind of unsatisfying especially after last week's battle where they were reiterating their love for each other and offering to destroy everything else in the world. It's silly that they each had to give up on the whole being together part of their dreams for a while when we know that going to St. Lucia and staying in Hinamizawa weren't really what either needed in the first place. Rika needs new experiences, Satoko needs a less intense school environment where she fits in. Surely there's a fragment where they could have reached a happy compromise and found a high school outside of Hinamizawa that wasn't run like a prison. Ultimately this series ended up being pretty drat disappointing. Gou gave us a pretty interesting setup but Sotsu failed to deliver on it. The only thing that mattered in the end was that fragments Satoko forgiving Teppei. They Satoko vs Satoko thing was barely followed up on apart from that one line at the end. Other than that the only thing the answer arcs managed to do was destroy any sympathy for Satoko that Gou had built up which I think really worked against the show and hurt its ability to deliver its themes. I'm sure a lot of people will come away angry about Satoko not getting her karmic retribution or even reflecting on what she'd done but the story was never really interested in that. The audience is just expected to laugh along with Eua and accept the idea that nothing that happened in the bad fragments matters as long as things work out in the end. Also come on, how could they show Satoshi waking up without giving us the reunion? Elephant Parade posted:sotsugyou: a decent show when it's not rehashing the original anime and/or earlier parts of itself J-Spot fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Sep 30, 2021 |
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I wasn't keen on that last episode. Eua gets nicked once, and that counts as a miracle so she fucks off forever? Thats a weak resolution that also leaves the question of who she is unanswered. As for the rest of the episode: I agree with the idea that Satoko and Rika would learn to spend time apart was inevitable and it is technically the most fitting conclusion to this story. But the happy-ish ending felt unearned. I would be more positive about it if Sotsu wasn't a whole season, but rather a 5-6 episode arc right after Gou. Instead we spent the last 14 episodes watching Satoko systematically torture Rika over and over again, that we had already watched once before. So the whole everything working out in the end after the girls duke it out for 5 minutes just leaves a sour aftertaste in my mouth. All in all, Sotsu was a thoroughly unsatisfying show that would have been better if 2/3 of it was not already in Gou.
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J-Spot posted:Finale ramblings: Could have been worse. Yeah, pretty much. I was set up for disappointment so this was slightly higher than my expectations. Almost everything from Sotsu did turn out to be pointless. You can go straight from Gou to episode 14 and then just watch all the amazing Satoko moments on youtube. Also not really happy with the ending for Rika and Satoko. The Witches becoming Bern and Lambda is a good ending in terms of their relationship but the beings they left behind could have had better endings. I personally don't think you can have an Umineko-style 'what really happened' explanation in Higurashi. Magic, Witches, Gods and Looping are all real in Higurashi, there are no tricks. Rika and Satoko definitely end up at an earlier loop than St. Lucia in the end. One thing I did like was the reveal that Satoko did legitimately try to do well at St.Lucia for potentially thousands of years (possibly metaphorical?) but her ADHD is so strong it's just impossible for her. I suppose that would be before she watched Rika's loops. I dunno why she'd do that in her prep-loops. Explains why she went so loving nuts. Eua getting her memory device cracked (it also properly becomes horns and attaches to her head) and becoming Hanyuu-sized suggests that maybe she went back in time to become Hanyuu? It's pretty obvious that she let Hanyuu win what with saying she deserves a reward though, so maybe it was just a visual hint that they're linked and something to sell Hanyuu's 'miracle'. It's a really huge miss that Hanyuu was never curious about this godlike being who showed up out of nowhere and kept hinting they are/were the same person. I have never given a single poo poo about Satoshi and never will. Nephthys fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Sep 30, 2021 |
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Alright, I'm bad at this stuff but here's my attempt to give a Higurashi interpretation of Eua and Hanyuu. A common element across Higurashi stories is that characters give personification to their negative feelings. Keiichi's has his "other self", Shion has her demon, Rena has Reina, and of course Rika and Satoko have their witches. Eua is basically this for Hanyuu. After vanishing in the sea of fragments, Hanyuu is distraught to find the world Rika chose resulted in this event where Rika and Satoko grow apart. She sees herself as a failure for not leaving Rika with a perfect world and that negative feeling creates Eua. Much like how Satoko's witch killed her human side Hanyuu is ultimately able to suppress her sweet au au side almost entirely. Like Satoko's human side only the lingering fragment of the old Hanyuu remains and is brought out by Rika, but it's so weak that even the au au's are gone. When Satoko shows up in the ritual storehouse she touches a piece of Hanyuu (her horn) which enables Eua to pull in a part of Satoko's consciousness, but the Matsuribayashi arc continues on with that Satoko never actually dying. From that extracted consciousness of Satoko Eua/Hanyuu creates a scenario in which her failure never happened. Satoko and Rika stay together through Witchtoko's ruthless methods but the old part of Hanyuu is still in there feeling guilt for how it turned out. At first that lingering fragment of Hanyuu was happy to see Rika again but realizes she must say her goodbyes and confront the negative part of herself. The Eua vs Hanyuu battle is the same metaphorical conflict as the Satoko vs Satoko battle but with a better outcome. Ultimately Eua is defeated with a horn crack that puts her back into cute little au au mode symbolizing Hanyuu overcoming those negative feelings and accepting her failure.
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J-Spot posted:Alright, I'm bad at this stuff but here's my attempt to give a Higurashi interpretation of Eua and Hanyuu. Huh, I can buy that. I wish it was a little clearer in the text (or really that the Eua/Hanyuu relationship got any development beyond "ohoho my beloved failure" ad infinitum), but I like this thematically.
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I'm not really sure how to think about any of this but I'm pretty happy my earlier theory was confirmed for real this time that Satoko simply possessed other versions of herself in a different timeline and when she's done with it simply discards it and moves on to a different timeline.
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She got married to Tomitake instead of killing him, or at least that's what I'm assuming because he's replaced his dog tags with two rings
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Ignis posted:She got married to Tomitake instead of killing him, or at least that's what I'm assuming because he's replaced his dog tags with two rings when I noticed that I teared up a little, it's so dumb and cute Honestly I loved this conclusion and it was basically what I thought/expected would happen, even if in the end it made the whole thing feel ten episodes too long for what it was trying to do. Someone remind me, in the Umineko character TIPS is it mentioned that Featherine's horn/memory device is damaged or am I getting that confused with Higurashi 8/postgame materials about Hanyuu?
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Rockman Reserve posted:Someone remind me, in the Umineko character TIPS is it mentioned that Featherine's horn/memory device is damaged or am I getting that confused with Higurashi 8/postgame materials about Hanyuu?
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So... that sure was an ending. Gou was great, but Sotsu really does feel like fan-fiction. I'm glad they went for a happy ending, but it still felt very rushed and anti-climactic. What could've been solved by a simple heart-to-heart in the beginning was solved by a simple heart-to-heart in the end. Rika is supposed to be well versed in The Power of FriendshipTM after the original Higurashi, so talking things out with Satoko at the end of it all instead of immediately just feels out of character. The Witch stuff was also completely unnecessary and seemed to be there just to pay lip service to Umineko. The simple explanation for all of this, of course, is that there wouldn't be a show without Rika doing a stupidity and the Witch stuff padding things out. Like I said before, the whole reason there is a show is because Eua/Featherine/R07's Literal Author Avatar wanted to make one. It was fitting, but man was did it end up being heavy-handed, and that detracted from my enjoyment of Sotsu significantly. It's definitely not as bad as it could've been, but it's still okay at best. J-Spot posted:That's from Umineko. It's in episode 8 I think. I don't remember if it's in the TIPS in the VN but I'm pretty sure Lambda is the one who explains it in the manga. SL the Pyro fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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SL the Pyro posted:Rika is supposed to be well versed in The Power of FriendshipTM after the original Higurashi, so talking things out with Satoko at the end of it all instead of immediately just feels out of character.
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Hogama posted:Also a countdown for something in December. The largest red characters in the video form ちのあとをもどりよめ, or "read the blood marks backwards". Also all throughout the video there's blood splatters that appear, and they're right where a character just was. Connecting the characters pointed out by the blood splatters backwards gives 逃がさない, or "I won't let you escape" There are also 34 circles.
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SL the Pyro posted:Rika is supposed to be well versed in The Power of FriendshipTM after the original Higurashi, so talking things out with Satoko at the end of it all instead of immediately just feels out of character. I'm not sure I follow. Rika didn't know who was pulling the strings and bringing her back into the thick of it, and when she finally figured out what was up, Satoko killed her. And then she'd wake up with no memory of it, and once it came back to her, Satoko would kill her again. Once she was finally in a position to actually defend herself, talk wasn't an option. She was tired, and once she got the upper hand and was actually faced with deleting Satoko forever, she just said "gently caress you, you dumb bitch! I love you, and all of this was so stupid!" Once they had worn each other out and reached their limits, all that was left was to come to terms with the future. That makes sense to me.
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Takoluka posted:I'm not sure I follow. Rika didn't know who was pulling the strings and bringing her back into the thick of it, and when she finally figured out what was up, Satoko killed her. And then she'd wake up with no memory of it, and once it came back to her, Satoko would kill her again. Once she was finally in a position to actually defend herself, talk wasn't an option. She was tired, and once she got the upper hand and was actually faced with deleting Satoko forever, she just said "gently caress you, you dumb bitch! I love you, and all of this was so stupid!" Once they had worn each other out and reached their limits, all that was left was to come to terms with the future. That makes sense to me. Eh, I feel like Rika could've reached out to Satoko while they were still at St. Lucia since that would be the best time to notice "uhhhh my best friend is clearly not okay", but my memory of the St. Lucia episodes is already sketchy. I can't remember if Rika was totally ignorant of Satoko's issues or if she purposely backed off for reasons. On the bright side, this ending does sidestep the issue of Satoko having destroyed her own school life.
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Hogama posted:On this, it's not a certain thing but apparently the brainpower of the internet has come up with a fairly compelling theoretical answer already. Ooh. 逃げられない, a different conjugation of the same verb ("you cannot escape"/"escape is impossible") is the chant from the original anime openings (backmasked in the first season's, played normally in Kai). That's cute.
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Nyoro posted:Do you remember St Lucia having a prison for some reason jokes aside its really illustrative of the problems with gou/sotsu. higurashi used the murder and timeloop/magic stuff as a lead-in to the character drama and development. himazawa syndrome was largely a catalyst to put characters in different situations, and the time loop was largely a catalyst to show each character's life and perspective. gou/sotsu uses the character drama and development as a lead-in to the murder and timeloop/magic stuff. you could make this show in a third of the time with literally no death or magic and it'd be more true to the characters and probably better at pulling on the heartstrings. but the show isnt actually interested in rena or satoko, its interested in murdering them and putting them in miserable situations for no particular reason. the murder and timeloop stuff in higurashi is mostly forgiven by the characters, insomuch as they know about it, but it's still treated as an exaggeration of the real emotions they're struggling with. here, actual tangible stuff is completely brushed under the rug with no payoff whatsoever. itd be like if halfway through higurashi everyone just completely ignored that teppei existed or was abusing satoko and satoshi OH WAIT Endorph fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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