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dingo with a joint posted:Reading this, nerd-tears in my loving eyes as I think to myself "it won't be available in paperback for loving two years". This is ok with me since I still haven't gotten around to reading Sons of Selenar, Fury of Magnus, Saturnine or Mortis. So by the time I do the paperback will be in bookstores. euphronius posted:Looked up daemonculuba That's not something I would have expected to find out was a scheme of the Iron Warriors.
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Oct 1, 2021 16:36
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AndyElusive posted:That's not something I would have expected to find out was a scheme of the Iron Warriors. "Misunderstanding the post-heresy IW" is kind of a Black Library pastime at this point. Probably the most consistently mangled depictions out of any of the traitor legions.
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Oct 1, 2021 17:25
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Wow, there's no new Angels of Death until November? That seems... ridiculous on GW's part.
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Oct 1, 2021 18:33
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SkyeAuroline posted:"Misunderstanding the post-heresy IW" is kind of a Black Library pastime at this point. Probably the most consistently mangled depictions out of any of the traitor legions. I mean they gently caress with poo poo like the Obliterator Virus. That daemonculuba thing though? I guess I just see it as something that Bile, the Emperors Children and their respective offshoot warbands would mess with since that's usually their wheelhouse. No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:Wow, there's no new Angels of Death until November? Man, don't even get me started.
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Oct 1, 2021 18:40
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Turns out that having a lot of projects in the pipeline doesn't amount to much when you blow your content load in the first month.
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Oct 1, 2021 19:11
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They really needed a bigger backlog before they launched this. Should have held back till January.
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Oct 1, 2021 20:47
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Yeah I was thinking we'd have two or three episodes dropping for a handful of shows every week but this current drip feed is pathetic
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Oct 1, 2021 22:39
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At least they've emailed out the voucher, so it's basically paid for the first two months. That lessened the agony of no Angels of Death for an entire month.
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Oct 1, 2021 22:41
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Arc Hammer posted:Turns out that having a lot of projects in the pipeline doesn't amount to much when you blow your content load in the first month. It's less like that and more like saying you're about to blow your load but then a few drops come out
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Oct 2, 2021 02:58
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All true, but at $5/month I still feel like I am getting my money's worth with Angels of Death and Hammer and Bolter. Plus I am willing to support it just to increase the chances the Eisenhorn show happens.
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Oct 2, 2021 04:01
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Kurzon posted:My argument is that it is only superficially influenced by Dune. Some guys think it's the core influence. 40k's core is an amalgamation of so many different sources that I think this is the wrong way to look at it
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Oct 2, 2021 22:44
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euphronius posted:Looked up daemonculuba Yeah I also regret reading Graham Mcneil
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Oct 2, 2021 22:47
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euphronius posted:Looked up daemonculuba Just read about it or have you seen the famous artwork of it?
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Oct 3, 2021 00:12
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D-Pad posted:Just read about it or have you seen the famous artwork of it? I did both yes . It’s unfortunate
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Oct 3, 2021 00:13
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So I somehow missed that apparently Mortis is part of the main Seige of Terra books? I always avoid the filler "novellas" and other cash grabs and stick with the main narrative, but I've never been interested in the titan warfare side of things, and the reviews seem to think it's the weakest book in the series and a bit of a slog. Am I missing anything lore/character wise if I skip it? I can slog through a bad book (or even one trying to do something different) as long as it progresses the story or gives me more scenes with the characters I actually care about - ie. Primarchs I'm not bothering with all the small side books like Sons of Selenar and Fury of Magnus, but I want to keep to the core stories. I got bitten by this with the HH before as there was so much deviation and silly side quests that I just gave up around Angel Exterminatus (the final nail in the coffin being the sudden oversize format). I did get Master of Mankind on my Kindle though as it actually progressed the story and gave some more insight.
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Oct 3, 2021 17:58
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Dog_Meat posted:So I somehow missed that apparently Mortis is part of the main Seige of Terra books? Mortis is good, not the best but better than First Wall in my opinion. There are some big plot revelations/events and plenty of primarchs. I wouldn't skip it. It is possible to read it and just skip every Titan section, that's what I did on my 2nd read through. Although the Ordo Sinister psi-titans stuff is cool but only a tiny bit of the book at the end. I also wouldn't skip Fury of Magnus. It's good and finishes the HH Magnus/Thousand Sons plot. Sons of the Selenar is entirely skippable though.
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Oct 3, 2021 19:09
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Mortis is dreadfully boring. If you do get it, I highly recommend skimming every scene with titans in it, which as you may imagine is a fatal flaw in a book otherwise all about Titans.
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Oct 3, 2021 20:52
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Enjoying Warhawk except that I’m halfway through and already very sick of the cute little matching shot thing where every chapter ends with one character dwelling on some specific Theme and then an unrelated character also thinking about Theme as the first sentence of the next chapter.
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Oct 4, 2021 02:18
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https://twitch.tv/videos/1165327215?t=920s 99% sure he is talking about the final SoT novel. Which means there are 3 more novels not 2!
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Oct 4, 2021 04:50
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Oh yeah, sorry. Forgot that was on this weekend. Should have told goons.
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Oct 4, 2021 04:56
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I think john French just does not give two shits about Titans.
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Oct 4, 2021 13:23
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I'm really disappointed that the Ordo Sinister was not used and focused on much more. I've always been intensely curious about them and they only had a few paragraphs of lore previously. Mortis hinted at some extremely interesting stuff with how they operated and their lines of fealty then they just kind of walked into oblivion and Warhawk didn't even mention them. Like I realize the traitor Titan force needed to win because they had to get to the wall for the next book, but the psi-Titans should have wiped the floor with everything and been much more of a thing.
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Oct 4, 2021 15:01
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Does GW care at all about the issue with their authors not understanding scale and numbers? Warhawk spoilers: I read a whole drat chapter about the tumultuous orbital entry of this big plate station then later I’m supposed to believe things are compressed in the air under it in a space of 4.5 -thousand- vertical kilometers?? Literally like ten times the altitude the ISS orbits at? Just fly the vengeful spirit right under that poo poo that’s plenty of room.
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Oct 5, 2021 00:01
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0konner posted:Does GW care at all about the issue with their authors not understanding scale and numbers? Warhawk spoilers: I read a whole drat chapter about the tumultuous orbital entry of this big plate station then later I’m supposed to believe things are compressed in the air under it in a space of 4.5 -thousand- vertical kilometers?? Literally like ten times the altitude the ISS orbits at? Just fly the vengeful spirit right under that poo poo that’s plenty of room. Where did it say 4.5 thousand vertical? That plate was never in orbit in the book. It started out hanging over part of the palace and was under the aegis, which is why it still existed.
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Oct 5, 2021 00:29
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0konner posted:Does GW care at all about the issue with their authors not understanding scale and numbers? Warhawk spoilers: I read a whole drat chapter about the tumultuous orbital entry of this big plate station then later I’m supposed to believe things are compressed in the air under it in a space of 4.5 -thousand- vertical kilometers?? Literally like ten times the altitude the ISS orbits at? Just fly the vengeful spirit right under that poo poo that’s plenty of room. I think that fundamentally WH40k narratives struggle to support the scale because it would just overwhelm the storytelling. Think of how much has been written about World War 2 and then imagine if that was only one battle amongst hundreds occuring annually over a period of thousands of years. Warhammer confronts that problem in like five different dimensions in every book.
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Oct 5, 2021 00:53
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I think there's literally two sorts of scales going on. One is the overall numbers and logistics of intergalactic war - it's weird reading about 250,000 trips being deployed to defend a shrine world when that's basically a single front in WW2. There's also dealing with the physical scale of low or in atmosphere crap or titans where writers seem to use numbers inconsistently or just describe stuff that sounds impressive but in practical terms doesn't make sense. That said I'm not sure if they did describe the plate operating quite so high? I got the impression it was like 1km up above things. Talks a lot about it pushing through atmosphere, etc. So it obviously wasn't meant to be near orbit at any point.
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Oct 5, 2021 08:54
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Oct 5, 2021 13:12
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It definitely seems like the author wrote that but was actually imagining 4.5 kilometers of contested airspace a la "Independence Day". But even then, there's a scale issue. Some authors describe orbital plates as being several kilometers in diameter, while others describe them as being thousands of kilometers in diameter. If the plate is the size of Africa and collides with Terra, that doesn't create a "three-kilometer crater on impact" - that is a planet-cracking apocalypse.
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Oct 5, 2021 13:30
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Kaal posted:It definitely seems like the author wrote that but was actually imagining 4.5 kilometers of contested airspace a la "Independence Day". But even then, there's a scale issue. Some authors describe orbital plates as being several kilometers in diameter, while others describe them as being thousands of kilometers in diameter. If the plate is the size of Africa and collides with Terra, that doesn't create a "three-kilometer crater on impact" - that is a planet-cracking apocalypse. It's an 11km diameter plate 300m thick after Rogal Dorn was done nibbling at it for spare parts for the palace. It sounds like 4.5kkm is probably a typo and 4.5km is what was intended. Someone with Twitter could ask him?
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Oct 5, 2021 14:03
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Yeah, definitely a mistake. It starts out under the aegis which is how it hasn't been blasted to scrap. It also mentions it's a much smaller plate than the true orbital plates that are actually in orbit at the start of the siege and were destroyed.
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Oct 5, 2021 15:17
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Mentally adding an extra couple zeroes to the end of numbers in 40k usually helps scale problems
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Oct 5, 2021 15:25
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I think in this case the problem is you need to subtract a few.
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Oct 5, 2021 17:40
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I did like how Erda described chaos and have me an idea for an analogy that would also justify the White scars/space wolves use of psychic powers. Taking the Plato cave allegory, the warp is basically the fire behind the prisoners and the shadows on the wall are the effects of people on the warp. So the chaos gods are really big shadows cast by humanity. What Erebus and Lorgar are going is basically confusing those shadows for something in and of themselves and turning humanity towards basically doing everything they can to make those shadows bigger and more powerful. In this case that's basically driving all of humanity into the fire behind them because the closer they get, the bigger those shadows become (arguably everyone is also getting warmer and feeling better about life in this cave, shortly before they get pushed into a massive fire and burned to death). I think that way of thinking about it makes more sense as to why chaos gets called the primordial annihilator as well. It's the effect of species getting obsessed with their own effects on the warp and seeking to grow that to greater and greater heights. If we assume the warp works that way it also makes sense you can use other things to channel it, effectively using some object between yourself and the fire to cast that shadow. It also kind of explains why she is so dismissive of Erebus' talk of the gods. He's literally dedicated his life to psychic after effects and misunderstood what the warp is and how it works.
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Oct 5, 2021 17:48
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Erebus has always been messing up during his desperate grasping for power and understanding. Now that he thinks he's a shoe-in for godhood, he's got a literal immortal right in front of him and he doesn't even bother to pay attention. Any other sorcerer would cut their hand off for 5 minutes of conversation with her.
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Oct 5, 2021 18:10
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Bought the Infinite and the Divine on Audible based on the recommendations in this thread. So cheers for that, mateys.
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Oct 5, 2021 18:46
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wiegieman posted:Erebus has always been messing up during his desperate grasping for power and understanding. Now that he thinks he's a shoe-in for godhood, he's got a literal immortal right in front of him and he doesn't even bother to pay attention. Any other sorcerer would cut their hand off for 5 minutes of conversation with her. I hope Erda's OK. 
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Oct 5, 2021 19:15
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Warden posted:Bought the Infinite and the Divine on Audible based on the recommendations in this thread. So cheers for that, mateys. How's the narration of the voices in that so far? I imagine you can add a bit to it with the right reading.
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Oct 5, 2021 20:09
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Are there fans of Erebus?? Erebusters? And if so, they must be right wing extremists?
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Miguel Prado posted:Are there fans of Erebus?? Erebusters? And if so, they must be right wing extremists? Nobody likes Erebus because he is SO OBVIOUSLY a chump with power. Even right wingers see the guy and think 'I could do better.'
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