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It seems weird to me to be sad when someone who supported the death penalty gets murdered. Isn't that what they liked?
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Josef bugman posted:What are you basing this idea on though bud? From chatting to people, smart people, foolish people, wealthy people, poor people etc all of them may feel joy and other things, but often people also feel worry and have complaints about the world. I don't think that saying "it's not like this" is necessarily true. For instance there is currently a, somewhat accurate, diagnosis of "SLS" or "poo poo life syndrome" in my nation state, heck it even got a wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shit_Life_Syndrome. Most people are alienated from what they want and what they think they want. It's part of life and living with that is just normal. Honestly, and I mean this with no disrespect or malice, but I don't think I have it in me to actually argue that people aren't naturally unhappy. Like to me that is an absurd thing to have to posit. I will say this - you don't have to have everything you want to be content. Barring mental illness, all you need is safety and a stable living situation. Josef bugman posted:This sounds very much like "just think yourself to self-esteem, idiot". People feel miserable and unhappy for a whole bunch of reasons. Sometimes they are even "legitimate" ones, and the idea that they can't be helped or that "urgh just leave them, they'll amount to nothing" is a bit hosed up TBH. It's hard to explain if you've never been in that situation. I guarantee there is someone reading this right now thinking about that relative or old friend or coworker they tried to help for years who kept loving themselves over until it was undeniable that they didn't want to be helped.
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Oct 17, 2021 23:05
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PHUO: the idea that humans are inherently bad is bullshit. Overwhelmingly, we choose to help each other. That's kinda how we got to apex species. Like, look at the Superdome after Hurricane Katrina. The assumption was that it was an anarchic hell of rape, murder, and robbery. The reality is that no one died who wasn't already sick, everyone was too busy helping each other to do crimes, and the one known sexual assault was stopped by random people who saw what was happening and curbstomped the rapist.
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Oct 17, 2021 23:15
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Fashionable Jorts posted:Because of the alcohol, or an unrelated witch's curse? Let’s just say the alcohol wasn’t involved
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Oct 17, 2021 23:24
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Manager Hoyden posted:Honestly, and I mean this with no disrespect or malice, but I don't think I have it in me to actually argue that people aren't naturally unhappy. Like to me that is an absurd thing to have to posit. I don't think people are "naturally" always unhappy. Merely that dissatisfaction and some level of stress are ground states of being for most people. Most of the people I have encountered who "couldn't help themselves" usually had a mental health condition. They were trying, as best they could, to deal with things. It's just that the ways of dealing with it are often bad or at least bad for them. I'd say under stress most people will respond better. You want a test of character it usually seems to involve giving a person power.
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Oct 17, 2021 23:26
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:PHUO: the idea that humans are inherently bad is bullshit. Overwhelmingly, we choose to help each other. That's kinda how we got to apex species. On the other hand R. Kelly and Weinstein were able to do what they did because they were helped by a lot of people, all working together to their mutual benefit. Apex indeed.
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Oct 17, 2021 23:52
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God would not have created the human race just to be naturally unhappy, come on now
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Oct 18, 2021 00:22
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oldpainless posted:God would not have created the human race just to be naturally unhappy, come on now  Edgar Allen Ho posted:PHUO: the idea that humans are inherently bad is bullshit. Overwhelmingly, we choose to help each other. That's kinda how we got to apex species. Yep, it's why I dislike a lot of the weirder grimdark poo poo where some poo poo happens and people all immediately turn on each other.
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Oct 18, 2021 00:30
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Josef bugman posted:I don't think people are "naturally" always unhappy. Merely that dissatisfaction and some level of stress are ground states of being for most people. Most crappy people maybe. Cut them out of your life and your life will be better.
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Oct 18, 2021 00:41
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PHUO re: alcohol chat: self-control and self-regulation should be taught in school. we can and should teach people to recognize and control their impulses, especially violent and addictive ones, instead of relying on parents for that poo poo.
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Oct 18, 2021 02:51
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Gaius Marius posted:
Every post-apocalypse story gets humanity so absolutely wrong. Times of intense struggle see the majority of people working together to survive, not just slaughtering for a can of beans.
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Oct 18, 2021 03:26
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I'd like to think that would apply in an apocalypse situation, but in those cases the authorities were still in control. We've never seen what happens when the military and cops abandon their duties and try to survive like the rest of us.
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Oct 18, 2021 03:28
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I'd like to think that would apply in an apocalypse situation, but in those cases the authorities were still in control. We've never seen what happens when the military and cops abandon their duties and try to survive like the rest of us. Do you mean or in fiction or in real life? Because either way you are extremely wrong.
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Oct 18, 2021 03:33
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Just saying I think people will act very differently if they believe order will never be restored compared to temporary disturbances where you know the chaos is going to end eventually.
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Oct 18, 2021 03:44
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phuo: people contain multitudes and so do groups and societies that people form. good behaviour and altruism are not a guaranteed outcome, but neither is violence or gently caress-you-got-mine-ism. assuming either as a baseline rather than one of many possibilities will not get you anywhere good, imo
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nurmie posted:phuo: people contain multitudes and so do groups and societies that people form. good behaviour and altruism are not a guaranteed outcome, but neither is violence or gently caress-you-got-mine-ism. assuming either as a baseline rather than one of many possibilities will not get you anywhere good, imo Agree with all of this
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Oct 18, 2021 03:55
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Fashionable Jorts posted:Every post-apocalypse story gets humanity so absolutely wrong. One of the few that actually does get it right is The Road. Strange as in the general imagination it seems people find it to be a grimdark affair. The father in that book shares the same kind of negative mentality as you see many espousing, while also trying to shield his own son from it throughout the novel to preserve his innocence. It isn't until his death when it seems all hope is lost for the Boy, that he finds a group of kindhearted strangers who help him out of pure altruism, despite how dire the state of the world is
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Oct 18, 2021 04:12
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There are all sorts of people but generally people like working together to form societies because they make it easier to brew beer
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Oct 18, 2021 05:26
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I have a cold, every single muscle in my body hurts, my knees are in agony, and im coughing my guts up every 2 minutes. But I'm being driven to the shop because there is nothing to alleviate this hell here, and Amazon only sells this poo poo in bulk. And I'm extremely lucky im not living on my own otherwise I'd have to take public transportation. So I have to put someone at risk of catching this disease, to get things that mean im not damaging my throat or already-asthmatic-lungs, from all of the coughing. Or having an aneurysm from the coughing and my very high blood pressure boy i sure wish we had something like one day delivery for small items right now... i could have ordered this poo poo yesterday... alexandriao has a new favorite as of 13:58 on Oct 18, 2021 |
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Oct 18, 2021 13:54
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The reason we dont already have all of this stuff here is because it's been 2+ years since I came down with something that wasn't covid, so it all went past its expiry date.
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Oct 18, 2021 13:56
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alexandriao posted:The reason we dont already have all of this stuff here is because it's been 2+ years since I came down with something that wasn't covid, so it all went past its expiry date. 99% of medicine expiry dates just mean the drug has lost a bit of potency.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:99% of medicine expiry dates just mean the drug has lost a bit of potency. Each type of medicine needs to be looked at individually, because there is a lot of dangerous leeway in broad statements. Even something as minor as asprin can make you sick as gently caress when it goes bad. Asprin in particular starts breaking down and offgassing kind of a vinegar smell. alexandriao posted:I have a cold, every single muscle in my body hurts, my knees are in agony, and im coughing my guts up every 2 minutes. But I'm being driven to the shop because there is nothing to alleviate this hell here, and Amazon only sells this poo poo in bulk. And I'm extremely lucky im not living on my own otherwise I'd have to take public transportation. Hope you feel better soon and have a smoooth recovery. Sounds like you could use a bit of a break.
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Oct 18, 2021 18:29
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there's a nonzero chance werewolfs are real
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Oct 19, 2021 18:32
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Oh they’re real. My friend’s ex-wife once interviewed a bunch of “vampires” and “werewolves” in New Orleans for some goth magazine/webzine/something. She said all the werewolves she interviewed were really nice. The vampires were very condescending though.
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Oct 19, 2021 18:42
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Manager Hoyden posted:It's not "ewww some of that might stick to me", it's that miserable people generally choose to be miserable*. Hell, that's understating it - miserable people will fight to stay miserable. And they'll also fight to make you miserable right along with them. Help doesn't do poo poo for them. Solve every single one of their problems and they'll build them right back. They're addicted to self-destructive thinking.
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Oct 19, 2021 19:15
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Gripweed posted:there's a nonzero chance werewolfs are real yeah but we tend to ignore Planck numbers when calculating chances of things
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Oct 19, 2021 19:20
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As a society we should feel bad about how quickly we ruined the word himbo.
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Oct 19, 2021 19:41
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Nameless Pete posted:Removing all the negative people from your life while insisting that people are basically happy is like insisting there's no problem with homelessness because you paid to live in a gated community. Okay let me rephrase then There are enough happy people around to live as if unhappy people don't exist, and it is extremely good and right to do so Manager Hoyden has a new favorite as of 20:10 on Oct 19, 2021 |
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Oct 19, 2021 20:07
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So, solipsism?
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Oct 19, 2021 20:14
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La Butte Rouge is the best song of real poo poo
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Oct 19, 2021 20:23
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Nameless Pete posted:So, solipsism? You know how people cut out their friends or relatives because they voted for Trump? It's like that but for people that wallow in their own misery. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's not that hard of a concept to grasp.
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Oct 20, 2021 00:00
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Robobot posted:You know how people cut out their friends or relatives because they voted for Trump? It's like that but for people that wallow in their own misery. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's not that hard of a concept to grasp. It is because, ultimately, how we define "wallowing" is going to be a big old question mark.
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Oct 20, 2021 00:09
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so fygm with more words okay great. you are correct that it is unpopular
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Oct 20, 2021 00:18
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I mean I have more unpopular opinions if folks would prefer? Our way of viewing ourselves is always going to rely on external observers. Sadness and misery are just as much part of life as joy and, indeed, can be part of the bedrock of life.
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Oct 20, 2021 00:23
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Oct 20, 2021 00:40
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It’s okay to not want to hang out with someone because they’re constantly a gigantic bummer. Life is short
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Oct 20, 2021 03:27
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The key is to bottle it all up so nobody knows about it and you never talk about it, that way you can still have friends.
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Oct 20, 2021 03:48
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Maybe we could just ship all the sad people off to an island somewhere so they could be sad on their own? You know, kinda like Ireland but happier.
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Oct 20, 2021 04:08
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thetoughestbean posted:It’s okay to not want to hang out with someone because they’re constantly a gigantic bummer. Life is short This is true and more people need to understand it. One of my best friends goes through depressive episodes (less lately thanks to meds+therapy) and it's sometimes really hard to be friends with him during this time. Like, it's miserable to be around him, I don't have the social intelligence or energy to deal with it when it's bad. I have to remind myself that he's not always like this. If that was who he was all the time, I likely would have never have become good friends with him in the first place. My mental health isn't capable of surviving someone else's issues long-term.
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Life is short, gently caress all your friends with mental health issues.
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