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Mutant Headcrab
May 14, 2007

GrossMurpel posted:

Is that the loving Tekken guy

It sure loving is. He was licensed solely for Tekken 3, which the series creators STILL have to tell fans to this day 'cause they get dogpiled with requests to bring him back.

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Breetai
Nov 6, 2005

🥄Mah spoon is too big!🍌
Wasn't The Arrival by Shaun Tan basically dialogue free? There were a couple of panels with speech bubbles, but they were just filled with abstract shapes because no-one spoke the main character's language?

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
Sinfest's Sunday strips also do the no dialogue thing but they suck poo poo because Ishida is a chud.

At least they look nicer than Mookie's.

Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016

Higgledy-Piggledy Whale Statements



Twelve by Pies posted:

Sinfest's Sunday strips also do the no dialogue thing but they suck poo poo because Ishida is a chud.

At least they look nicer than Mookie's.

Ishida's a bizarre comparison with Mookie tbqh

Just, mind-numbing

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
Ishida and Mookie have a bit in common actually. Both started their comics out as silly gag a day strips and tried to turn it into something bigger, and both of them drove away large portions of their fanbase by doing stupid things in their comic. The big difference is Mookie drove them away because he has no self-awareness and doesn't understand why his ideas are bad, Ishida drove them away because he decided to go all in on hatred and bigotry.

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem
Mookie certainly has a lot of problematic poo poo in his comics but it seems more like a moron stumbling into being completely tone deaf or mimicking stuff hes seen/enjoyed in media without much thought, rather than ishida who definitely knows what hes doing and is purposefully creating propaganda

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
Yeah that's more or less what I meant by him having no self awareness, he seems to mean mostly well. While he definitely has issues with women's sexuality and "jocks" he isn't actively using his comic to spread hate speech and most of the gross stuff isn't meant to be interpreted to be an actual statement to readers that you should, say, treat a woman who's cheated as an outcast and banish her from society.

Compared to Ishida, who's straight up saying "Anyone who thinks trans women are women is an evil mindless zombie who is destroying the greatness of western civilization."

Still, at the end of the day both of them introduced terrible poo poo into their comics and instead of apologizing for it, decided to double down on it, and lost a lot of support and turned their fan forums into ghost towns.

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem
yeah Im definitely not making an excuse for mookie's poo poo but it definitely has a different feel to it than the outright "i am creating hateful propaganda on purpose" types that are SO common these days.

Actually, in webcomics, were there always this many lovely propaganda based comics? I feel like they've kind of exploded in number

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

Van Kraken posted:

I think that was Stupid Snake? The website is gone now unfortunately

e: still up on the wayback machine http://web.archive.org/web/20180115025413/http://www.iaviv.com/stupidsnake/

Yes that's the one, thank you. Shame it was taken down, good thing the whole thing was archived properly. Glancing through it's about as charming as I remember it being and relatively short.

quote:

Three years. Three years since I came up with this ending. Comics sure take their sweet time.
forgot it was a 3 year project, too. Very concise for webcomics in general, much less the one this thread is about

Ron Paul Atreides
Apr 19, 2012

Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

Bismuth posted:

yeah Im definitely not making an excuse for mookie's poo poo but it definitely has a different feel to it than the outright "i am creating hateful propaganda on purpose" types that are SO common these days.

Actually, in webcomics, were there always this many lovely propaganda based comics? I feel like they've kind of exploded in number

the Trump years kinda drew some battlelines and some otherwise quiet about it poo poo heads decide to be more open

Really what you are seeing is the propensity for nerds to be reactionary, far more common than most people realize

Beelzebufo
Mar 5, 2015

Frog puns are toadally awesome




I guess this lady is a mud witch. Like an inkwitch, but with mud.


Also, lol. I genuinely cannot wait to see where this goes.

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem
i dont like that the lines of the last panel draw your eye right through his crotch, i dont love that at all

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Gotta make sure to draw the water low enough to see her rear end and some of his dick.

It looks like he's pissing the name.

She's also standing in a weird position. She's not facing him at all, even though that's what he's trying to draw. You don't need to draw three fourths all the time. Move the drat camera.

Their faces are in profile which means they would be standing besides each other. But then he draws snout with his front to is and her with her back which means she's standing in front of him. Snout is either looking not at her in the first panel and looking at something to his side, or they only exist in 2 dimensions, or something physically impossible is happening.

Or Mookie is a bad artist.

Codependent Poster fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Oct 18, 2021

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
Her body being in 3/4 profile with a direct side profile of the head looks loving terrible.

Beelzebufo
Mar 5, 2015

Frog puns are toadally awesome


Mookie thinks that as long as he hides the neck, he doesn't need to worry about head position in relation to the body,


He is wrong, of course.

Mutant Headcrab
May 14, 2007
That rear end is sad. That is a sad rear end.

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


sadly pissing out blood that forms the word "luna" in front of a naked lady

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

So the message is for Snout and he is the intended reader of it. But to him it is upside-down. I get that it isn't too difficult to read stuff that is upside down, but if she is doing some kind of divination or doing some kind of fancy ink magic writing to reveal something to snout you think it would be oriented properly to him.

I get that WE, not Snout, are the intended readers; Mookie has been long-observed to not put a lot of thought into the point of view of characters*. But if this was a good comic by a skilled artist, certainly that scene would be drawn from a higher overhead angle so that both Snout and the readers can easily see what was "written" in the water.

*Speaking of which, because Arudak hasn't been in the last couple of pages he temporarily does not exist and therefore is temporarily not sad :unsmith:

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Lipstick Apathy
I hate the look on her face.

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


idk why the shading on her buttcheeks changed direction between panels but it did

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




BattleMaster posted:

So the message is for Snout and he is the intended reader of it. But to him it is upside-down. I get that it isn't too difficult to read stuff that is upside down, but if she is doing some kind of divination or doing some kind of fancy ink magic writing to reveal something to snout you think it would be oriented properly to him.

Knowing how much of a screwup Snout is, He’s wondering right now if she’s propositioning him for some ANUL

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.
Not gonna lie, I read that as 'Lunk' first and foremost.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Rotten Red Rod posted:

The manga Blame! has long stretches of the story with no dialogue at all. It's a master class in tone and atmosphere.
Of course, in Blame! Killy can talk. He just usually doesn't have anybody to talk to. When the plot needs people to communicate things, out comes the dialogue.

Riot Bus
Jan 8, 2020
The twist is that Snout is a reincarnation of Luna which is why he's obsessed with Dominic.

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem
can she please pop those things on his shoulder

Moola
Aug 16, 2006
Who the gently caress is v N n l?

Moola fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Oct 18, 2021

GreenMetalSun
Oct 12, 2012

Samovar posted:

Not gonna lie, I read that as 'Lunk' first and foremost.

Douche Wolf 89
Dec 9, 2010

🍉🐺8️⃣9️⃣


Mookie's backgrounds looking like bad Line Rider tracks

Genuinely how do you put that in a comic? I get being lazy or untalented or ignorant, but how do you know there should be a background there and draw that?

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story

Moola posted:

Who the gently caress is v N n l?

Put out an APB for a uosdwis r jəwoH

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!
He made such a big deal about showing the naked bodies of men and women, but the men will quickly flash you their horrified, shriveled lil dick before tucking it between their legs and the women will twist their bodies into unknowable shapes just to give you a look at their rear end.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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I can’t really tell his body hair from the mud.

Beelzebufo
Mar 5, 2015

Frog puns are toadally awesome


TheHan posted:

He made such a big deal about showing the naked bodies of men and women, but the men will quickly flash you their horrified, shriveled lil dick before tucking it between their legs and the women will twist their bodies into unknowable shapes just to give you a look at their rear end.

That's true. The least he could do is trace some gay porn along with whatever porn he's using to trace the women he draws.

Not the faces though, he freehands those.


I actually don't know if he traces the women's bodies, but Snout's torso is noticably longer than a lot of the naked ladies. I don't know where Mookie thinks men's legs attach to their bodies, but Snout seems to have an awful lot of distance between his hips and his dick for us to see those muscle lines starting as high up as they do.

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!

Beelzebufo posted:

I actually don't know if he traces the women's bodies, but Snout's torso is noticably longer than a lot of the naked ladies. I don't know where Mookie thinks men's legs attach to their bodies, but Snout seems to have an awful lot of distance between his hips and his dick for us to see those muscle lines starting as high up as they do.


I think Mookie's terrible grasp on anatomy tells him that women have hips while men don't. So the women get their xtra long torsos broken up by the curve of their hips, and men are straight lines all the way down to their feet.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Douche Wolf 89 posted:



Mookie's backgrounds looking like bad Line Rider tracks

Genuinely how do you put that in a comic? I get being lazy or untalented or ignorant, but how do you know there should be a background there and draw that?



Same, vaguely perturbed background face. Same.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination

Rotten Red Rod posted:



And their trip to the dream realm is over! Nothing happened and no new information was conveyed.

Lol she's really small in this panel

Moola
Aug 16, 2006

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story

TheHan posted:

the women get their xtra long torsos broken up by the curve of their hips

And even this is odd anatomy because while the women may have curved hips, much like Brooke McEldowney, Mookie is only capable of drawing flat asses.

Mutant Headcrab
May 14, 2007
Snout's dick is just Dan Aykroyd's nose in Nothing But Trouble.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

Beelzebufo posted:



I guess this lady is a mud witch. Like an inkwitch, but with mud.


Also, lol. I genuinely cannot wait to see where this goes.
Dominic is Solaris.

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SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
Back in the library, Veth handed Snout a book, helpfully including a note pointing out the plot-relevant page:



The Watercaller is Luna, the Great White Savior of the orcs of Maltak. Instead of being a lyrical (for some suitably broad definition of "lyrical") metaphor, in the Mookieverse the poem is boringly literal. I guess the "you" could be someone other than Dominic himself, but given that one of the things we're repeatedly told is that Dominic is responsible for magic becoming "more gentile" or whatever I think where we're headed is that Dominic is Solaris. Or AM from "I Have No Mouth and Must Scream". I Have Sidemouth and Must Scream. The Beast That Shouted Mapvel at the Heart of the World.

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