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thetoughestbean posted:Maybe they’d be more effective at containing the demon threat if they worked with the local peoples instead of paternalistically ordering them around
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Can Of Worms posted:They tried that in chapter 53. It didn't go so well. Yeah we have an example of what happens when the elves try to play good cop already. It's kind of an unsolvable situation all around. The elves understand how nightmarish a demon can be, but they're also rich, incredibly powerful, and immortal so they can afford to view things from a "if this happens it will be awful for the world" perspective. The short-lived races are reliant on the dungeons as a source of economic prosperity and are rightfully incredibly resentful of these shithead elves who show up and start throwing their weight around and saying "okay, pack it up people, abandon your livelihoods because it might trigger a demon invasion none of you have ever seen or heard of, and if any of you disagree too strongly we'll throw you in elf jail until you die of old age or kill you outright".
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Oct 17, 2021 10:22
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They could start by explaining the danger, which I believe is something nobody has tried so far.
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Oct 18, 2021 07:27
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Yeah the big issue is they want to keep the existence of demons a secret but you can't really fully explain the danger of a dungeon while still doing that.
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Oct 18, 2021 07:40
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if they explained the danger they'd also have to explain that demons grant wishes. even if they framed it as pure illusion (it isn't), there would still be plenty of takers.
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Oct 18, 2021 07:42
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Yeah they absolutely don't want information about the nature of dungeons getting out, because there's likely enough people who would go "what, you mean I get to live like a king and get everything I want and all it takes is a deal with a devil? sign me up" to make a new dungeon opening suddenly become a speedrun competition to become the lord.
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Oct 18, 2021 07:45
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they could just lie and say something like "at the heart of every dungeon is a demon who possesses a victim and devours their soul, turning them into the dungeon master. anyone who kills the dungeon master is at risk of having their soul consumed and their body turned into the next puppet for the demon." the faithful would fear for their soul itself and the unfaithful probably wouldn't want to gently caress with an otherworldly being that can easily kill them. they wouldn't need to mention the wish thing. or they could go with this method which is clearly working very well for them it's a tough situation
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Oct 18, 2021 10:17
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Captain Invictus posted:they could just lie and say something like "at the heart of every dungeon is a demon who possesses a victim and devours their soul, turning them into the dungeon master. anyone who kills the dungeon master is at risk of having their soul consumed and their body turned into the next puppet for the demon." the faithful would fear for their soul itself and the unfaithful probably wouldn't want to gently caress with an otherworldly being that can easily kill them. they wouldn't need to mention the wish thing. This method already works pretty well for them, given that the only time they've ever had a demon almost break free was Utaya and they fixed that with a liberal dose of Elf Purge Squads. They could lie about the dangers, but as long as people aren't being directly exposed to them you're still going to have people trickling into dungeons as long as they're not immediately threatened - who cares if there's supposedly a demon at the heart of this dungeon, we're only on floor 1 and 2 stripping gold and making more money than ever before! Then more people see how good the gold stripping guys have it, and move in to try to find their own fortune and explore a little farther, then someone moves in and sets up a shop to sell food to the gold strippers, then someone sets up a firewood stand to sell to the food shop, and so on. Like right here we had the elves try to say "you need to leave right now, it is super dangerous" and the people in the dungeon told them "gently caress off, idiot" until monsters started pouring out of the walls. Kanos fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Oct 18, 2021 |
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Oct 18, 2021 11:54
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Captain Invictus posted:they could just lie and say something like "at the heart of every dungeon is a demon who possesses a victim and devours their soul, turning them into the dungeon master. anyone who kills the dungeon master is at risk of having their soul consumed and their body turned into the next puppet for the demon." the faithful would fear for their soul itself and the unfaithful probably wouldn't want to gently caress with an otherworldly being that can easily kill them. they wouldn't need to mention the wish thing. The current method worked pretty well for them, they got all the way to the dungeon lord's home all by themselves. If they'd run into Thistle, who had sealed the demon and fought primarily by summoning and directing monsters, Mithrun probably would have won easily. Back up at the entrance of the dungeon, on the other hand, two problems have been pretty clearly established: 1) the wealth and prosperity that comes from the dungeon is so great that everyone's driven by greed and don't give a drat about the dangers 2) no one trusts the elves, and they suspected from the start that the elves are coming simply to steal away the dungeon's wealth for themselves, and that anything they say is a lie towards that end
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Oct 18, 2021 14:13
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Kanos posted:This method already works pretty well for them, given that the only time they've ever had a demon almost break free was Utaya and they fixed that with a liberal dose of Elf Purge Squads. And even after monsters start pouring out of the walls, everyone thinks they have the right answer to the situation. Much simpler to just send the purge squads.
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Oct 18, 2021 14:25
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Captain Invictus posted:
whoa, so that's how you become a dungeon master? that sounds pretty sweet! everyone knows that dungeons generate treasure! they'd just ignore the parts they didn't like and come up with reasons why they, personally, would be okay. every dungeon diver is willing to risk their life to fulfill their desires and they are all potential dungeon masters.
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Oct 18, 2021 19:49
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I dunno, have Mithrun do PSAs. "I thought becoming a dungeonmaster would be a good idea..." Tour high schools and such.
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Oct 18, 2021 22:29
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:whoa, so that's how you become a dungeon master? that sounds pretty sweet! everyone knows that dungeons generate treasure! It's a question of percentages. Some portion of adventurers, if the elves regularly gave an honest-but-incomplete description of why you need to eventually evacuate dungeons, (something will eat people's souls, the town will be destroyed, etc.) would respond to the Canaries arriving with "Whelp, money was good, but it looks like it just ran out. We'll be on our way, thanks for the heads up". There'd just also be a portion who wanted to press their luck, some even going so far as to entertain the idea of getting to be Dungeon Lord. The question is if the people who'd be more cooperative would outnumber the ones who wouldn't. And the elves don't care. This has worked so far, and there's no reason to change it for the comfort of the inferior... err... short lived. (And now it's blowing up in their faces.)
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Oct 18, 2021 22:47
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I Am Fowl posted:I dunno, have Mithrun do PSAs. "I thought becoming a dungeonmaster would be a good idea..." Tour high schools and such. quote:becoming a dungeonmaster would be a good idea gently caress yeah he said it himself
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Oct 18, 2021 23:19
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mithrun was a canary who knew all about demons and dungeons and he still succumbed to temptation. the canaries suck but they are less bad than any other option. laios' party got screwed over hard by not knowing anything about demons. however, if they had known then laios and marcille probably would have done different but equally stupid things.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:mithrun was a canary who knew all about demons and dungeons and he still succumbed to temptation. the canaries suck but they are less bad than any other option. “How’s it taste”
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Oct 19, 2021 02:42
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Oxxidation posted:“How’s it taste” 'Recursive'
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Oct 19, 2021 05:44
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It would probably help if non-elves had any reason to trust and/or respect elves at all
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Oct 19, 2021 19:04
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The elves' worst habit is treating non-elves as, basically, children whose toys need to be taken away before they hurt themselves or anyone else, especially in cases where their naked self-interest (in the spell of immortality, say) has a chance to shine through. They've got paternalism and colonial ambitions. Worst of both worlds!
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Oct 19, 2021 19:15
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If some nigh-immortal shithead wizard told me “don’t go into that place with a lot of valuable stuff in it or we’ll give you a life sentence in prison without actually charging you with a crime before releasing you as an old man because we have no concept of time” I’m gonna go into that dungeon just on principle Edit: Kanos posted:all the things I just said That’ll teach me to skim the thread at work
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Oct 19, 2021 19:22
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the elves are hot tho
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Poltergrift posted:The elves' worst habit is treating non-elves as, basically, children whose toys need to be taken away before they hurt themselves or anyone else, especially in cases where their naked self-interest (in the spell of immortality, say) has a chance to shine through. They've got paternalism and colonial ambitions. Worst of both worlds! This is normal of long lived races in fantasy
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Oct 19, 2021 21:14
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ElMaligno posted:This is normal of long lived races in fantasy Dumbass Vulcans
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How many chapters do you think we have left in the main arc?
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I think the Elves need to create a union of races in the canaries. A lot of the pushback comes from elves being seen as dicks (rightfully so!) If they had tallmen, halfmen, dwarven and etc canaries then you could have a representative besides just an elf. "Yes the elves are dicks but unfortunately they are right."
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Oct 22, 2021 19:39
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Funnily enough, I think that would be pretty much an ideal ending for Laios. Touring dungeons all over the world and trying to cook and taste monsters within them, while elves pay for it.
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Oct 22, 2021 19:43
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We're gonna build a dungeon menu and the Elves are gonna pay for it.
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Oct 22, 2021 20:48
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DrSunshine posted:We're Gonna Build a Dungeon Menu and the Elves are Gonna Pay For It. Thats a nice webnovel title you got there
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Oct 22, 2021 22:14
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It would be pretty interesting for Marcille's equalizing-the-lifespans wish to be somehow granted in a way that makes elves mortal like everyone else just to see how horribly they'd melt down about it.
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Oct 22, 2021 23:08
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Boom now everyone lives only as long as halfmen
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Oct 23, 2021 10:46
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Haystack posted:Thats a nice webnovel title you got there CHUD Isekai, I can see the bucks rolling in as we speak!
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Oct 23, 2021 13:15
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DrSunshine posted:CHUD Isekai, I can see the bucks rolling in as we speak! isn't that all of them
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Oct 23, 2021 13:18
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HenryEx posted:isn't that all of them Not all sekais
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Oct 23, 2021 13:22
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The thin dirty book.
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Oct 23, 2021 13:52
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New chapter
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Nov 13, 2021 09:05
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every chapter i feel more and more sympathy for the canaries that have to deal with all of these utter weirdos
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Nov 13, 2021 09:22
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oh no, my favorite relationship has been put on ice
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:every chapter i feel more and more sympathy for the canaries that have to deal with all of these utter weirdos I still have no idea what the smart thing to do here is, but I am confident than no-one is doing it, whatever it may be.
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God, why did it have to reference that weird snail parasite I hate that thing
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