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Technically Lews wasn't the first Dragon and Rand isn't the first Dragon Reborn 
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Oct 23, 2021 01:31
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Yeah I did not hear the capital on "last Dragon" but in a series that frequently references the Last Battle it could get confusing.
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Oct 23, 2021 01:51
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Losers whine about doing their best, winners go home and gently caress the court bard 
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Oct 23, 2021 01:54
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Jedit posted:I don't think that the "last" is capitalised, but you're right that it feels like something there was more than one of. It's a significant thing in WOT that when Lews Therin Telamon took the title "Dragon", nobody knew what the gently caress he was talking about or what that firebreathing serpent thing he was using as his emblem was. I thought it was just people in the Third Age who had never heard of one, I think it was probably still a thing in the Age of Legends And in typical fashion only the word survived, and until the banner is found didn't mean anything other than Lews, kind of like that Mercedes hood ornament had no context other than pride
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Oct 23, 2021 01:58
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DarkHorse posted:I thought it was just people in the Third Age who had never heard of one, I think it was probably still a thing in the Age of Legends Didn't they use the redstone doorways and ghenji to get to Finnland in the AOL? I wonder if Lews ever went in and got the dragon banner and was hung. Cool to think about, miss RJ.
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Oct 23, 2021 02:03
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:Technically Lews wasn't the first Dragon and Rand isn't the first Dragon Reborn He could very well be. Dragon was a title given to Lew Therin, and Dragon Reborn is a title Rand. No records if people before him were called the Dragon or why.
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Oct 23, 2021 02:04
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:Technically Lews wasn't the first Dragon and Rand isn't the first Dragon Reborn Technically Lewis was the first Dragon because that's what he was called. The Dragon. Rand is the Dragon Reborn, as in, this particular guy reborn. The other "Dragons" before them could have been called Mega-Muffins for all we know, as what their people called them at the time is lost It'd probably be more accurate to call the class of people Lews and Rand belong to "Wheel Warriors" or something
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Oct 23, 2021 02:04
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Libluini posted:Technically Lewis was the first Dragon because that's what he was called. The Dragon. Rand is the Dragon Reborn, as in, this particular guy reborn. The other "Dragons" before them could have been called Mega-Muffins for all we know, as what their people called them at the time is lost Heroes of the Horn
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Oct 23, 2021 02:06
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:Not to step on toes but Calenth posted this back years ago in the previous version of this thread: I love this because compared to my acquaintance's "I totally knew RJ  " story, god dratThe Notorious ZSB posted:Skimming This only showed up what, like twice? And there's all these other increasingly efficient methods of Fast Travel they keep discovering as time goes on. Everyone always says WoT is a shonen anime; eh, more like it's a JRPG
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Oct 23, 2021 02:16
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Libluini posted:It'd probably be more accurate to call the class of people Lews and Rand belong to "Wheel Warriors" or something Great now I have more lore to study 
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Oct 23, 2021 02:18
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this was pages ago but im glad my throwaway riff on the seinfeld thing about cell phones generated real discussion! i cringed at the "last dragon" but it's the kind of thing people are used to hearing also " a baby ...a baby who could change the world" he is coming..light help us......he burns like the sun....GANGWAYYYYYYYYYYY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqsaWQ_17Ts
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Oct 23, 2021 02:24
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Barreft posted:Didn't they use the redstone doorways and ghenji to get to Finnland in the AOL? I wonder if Lews ever went in and got the dragon banner and was hung. Cool to think about, miss RJ. "My two wishes are an inspiring symbol with which to lead, and also a massive hog - thanks in advance"
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Oct 23, 2021 04:06
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I just wish the trailer ended with the line "Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time" because it makes a good trailer ending stinger. It also wouldn't mean much to new people but would be a cool Easter egg for us book readers.
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Oct 23, 2021 05:23
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I love that they're including Egwene as a potential Dragon Reborn. It instantly beefs up her character
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Oct 23, 2021 05:34
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That's the problem with saying Last Dragon over and over. I almost made this connection earlier but it's been a long day. Skyrim. Skyrim turns ten years old about a week before The Wheel on Prime starts and is about the Last Dragon(born). This isn't a big deal but I do find the framing of "the last Dragon" kind of weird. Very curious about how it'll be explained in this turning of the wheel. How much The Dragon will be a known recurring figure, and not just That Guy, Again. fake edit: Mage_Boy posted:I just wish the trailer ended with the line "Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time" because it makes a good trailer ending stinger. It also wouldn't mean much to new people but would be a cool Easter egg for us book readers.
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Oct 23, 2021 06:55
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If the series changes Egwene to be the dragon reborn, I will forgive any other rewrites. That'd be so awesome!
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Oct 23, 2021 07:16
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Get out of my head, Louise Therin!
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Oct 23, 2021 07:22
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DarkHorse posted:I thought it was just people in the Third Age who had never heard of one, I think it was probably still a thing in the Age of Legends Nope. We are explicitly told that nobody in the AOL knew what a Dragon was. If memory serves, Rand sees it when he enters the glass columns at Rhuidean.
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Oct 23, 2021 10:08
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Vavrek posted:That's the problem with saying Last Dragon over and over. I almost made this connection earlier but it's been a long day. I think this is a confusion over last as in 'final' and last as in 'previous'. The last week, or the *last* week. We already know Logain is a false Dragon and is getting more screentime, so I assume they're keeping the themes of reincarnation and taking the mantle of the Dragon as a way to seek power. We'll almost certainly see a Baalzamon dream sequence with him referencing previous false Dragons too going by that trailer.
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Oct 23, 2021 10:48
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Pleads posted:Get out of my head, Louise Therin! 
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Oct 23, 2021 10:50
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Hexel posted:red hand gang The hand is red from all the spankings
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Oct 23, 2021 12:30
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Not So Fast posted:I think this is a confusion over last as in 'final' and last as in 'previous'. The last week, or the *last* week. No, I get that point, that it's The Previous Dragon, not The Final Dragon. It's just a different framing than The Dragon and The Dragon Reborn, because (I think?) it emphasizes that The Dragon is a recurring thing, maybe an archetype that gets filled. While in the books it's always that The Dragon means just The Kinslayer. (Rand is the Dragon Reborn, not the Dragon.) Which is neat! One cool thing that I only picked up on last year, I think, was the idea that Rand is possibly/probably one of the Heroes of the Horn, and spent the last few thousand years chilling in TAR with the others. The Horn just wasn't blown between when he died and was reborn the most recent time.
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Oct 23, 2021 13:42
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Lews definitely got named the Dragon during the War of the Power for his battle prowess and victories so I can only assume they knew what it meant back then
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Oct 23, 2021 14:51
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 this language from the beginning of the great hunt: an age yet to come, an age long past; makes it seem like this poo poo has been going on forever and will keep going on it's just janky dialogue in the teaser works much better on paper
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Oct 23, 2021 15:36
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I’m laughing imagining some showrunner telling all the actors “ok so here’s all 14 books, I want you to be ready for a study session next Tuesday”
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Oct 23, 2021 16:01
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Data Graham posted:I’m laughing imagining some showrunner telling all the actors “ok so here’s all 14 books, I want you to be ready for a study session next Tuesday” They talked about this in the recent Comic-con panel. Most of them have read at least some of the books but none of the major cast have finished the whole series yet. The furthest is Josha who is on book 11.
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Oct 23, 2021 16:03
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:They talked about this in the recent Comic-con panel. Most of them have read at least some of the books but none of the major cast have finished the whole series yet. The furthest is Josha who is on book 11. I want him to have some full-spoilers conversation about reading the books sometime. Like, he wasn't a preexisting fan, he started after/around being cast as Rand, right? What was it like to balance the scripts and direction he's getting for the show, with the book version of his character going from "innocent farmboy" to ...  ? I think it'd be an interesting conversation.
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Oct 23, 2021 16:27
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:They talked about this in the recent Comic-con panel. Most of them have read at least some of the books but none of the major cast have finished the whole series yet. The furthest is Josha who is on book 11. It sounds like everyone had either never heard of the series or had already read the whole series, no in-between
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Oct 23, 2021 16:36
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Oct 23, 2021 16:59
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Vavrek posted:I want him to have some full-spoilers conversation about reading the books sometime. Like, he wasn't a preexisting fan, he started after/around being cast as Rand, right? What was it like to balance the scripts and direction he's getting for the show, with the book version of his character going from "innocent farmboy" to ... I agree, but it's one that would probably be best served waiting until after the series wraps, ya know?
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Oct 23, 2021 17:00
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i mean, it really can't be chesmal emry lmao
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Oct 23, 2021 17:05
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It totally could be Chesmal Emry
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Oct 23, 2021 17:36
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Rarity posted:It totally could be Chesmal Emry If they want to have a scene with "heart stopping" power she'd be an excellent pick.
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Oct 23, 2021 17:41
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Depends on the healing in question, because Chesmal is going to have to pretend to be her Yellow Ajah self until the 3rd book.
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Oct 23, 2021 18:16
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Depends on the healing in question, because Chesmal is going to have to pretend to be her Yellow Ajah self until the 3rd book. If you did include Chesmal early, then her interactions with Nynaeve could be interesting. If you want to foreshadow her heel turn, you have Nynaeve try to go to her for healing instruction and get the cold shoulder. If you want to maximize the pathos, have Nynaeve go to her for instruction and get it, and actually learn something, so that when it turns out Chesmal is Black, the betrayal hits harder. That was the trouble with the original book portrayal...only Liandrin had been seen before so when a full 13 Aes Sedai defected, the rest of the group was just a bunch of names that didn't mean anything to the reader. If, on the other hand, some of them get some screen time interacting with the Wonder Girls BEFORE they defect? That means more. Hell, you could even have Chesmal be part of the Seanchan sell-out. It always struck me as weird that the girls were so willing to trust Liandrin to take them on a "secret mission" when they hadn't really done anything with Liandrin before then. If, on the other hand, you establish Chesmal as Nynaeve's mentor in healing magic first, then it's a lot more credible that Nynaeve would go along with it, and thus that credibility would help convince the rest of the girls as well. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more including Chesmal early makes a lot of sense!
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Oct 23, 2021 18:52
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Depends on the healing in question, because Chesmal is going to have to pretend to be her Yellow Ajah self until the 3rd book. Exactly what I was thinking - Chesmal must do a lot of perfectly normal Healing to blend in. However, the Healing they are talking about there is very likely going to be Matt's healing (assuming that is kept the way it is), and Siuan would never in a million years have picked Chesmal to help out (since she knew that there was a good chance that Chesmal was Black due to New Spring events).
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Oct 23, 2021 18:54
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this gives me confidence in the writers and gently caress chesmal emry
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Oct 23, 2021 18:58
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What did Mat need healing for? I forget.
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Oct 23, 2021 18:58
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Nitrousoxide posted:What did Mat need healing for? I forget. Removing his link with the Shadar Lorgoth dagger.
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Oct 23, 2021 18:59
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Nitrousoxide posted:What did Mat need healing for? I forget. Breaking the link to the dagger. The healing required a full circle of thirteen.
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Oct 23, 2021 19:01
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