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I feel like the spaceship shots are kinda important to the mood- you do need to convey the power of the forces at work, the mammoth machines dwarfing the men that control them and all. I do find it curious that Paul never says the "I must not fear" speech- it's Jessica both times. Odd choice.
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shrike82 posted:the drawn out shots were nice but not worth losing the airtime that could have been spent on characterization I thought the characterisation was fine, myself. Yes some book characters were undeveloped but the characters who drove the film itself were all sufficiently realised to me. Also, just chiming in to add to the general consensus that this was an awesome film, in the literal sense of the word. I was in awe of how both real and fantastical everything seemed.
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Without having read or seen anything Dune-related in my life, I think this was mostly just okay. There were, unfortunately, a lot more parts that bored me than I would have liked. But what usually happens with these sorts of adaptations is that I'll think it's mostly just okay, then I'll read the source material and I think it's great, and then I rewatch the adaptation and then all of a sudden I think it's great as well for some reason. It took me for-loving-ever to figure out if the blue light meant that the attack got blocked or if it was the red light. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Oct 23, 2021 |
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Oct 23, 2021 08:45
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I feel like two or three Chani visions could have been traded for a couple minutes of ”Theres a spy!” “Hey I bet you’re the spy” “How are your mentat lessons” “Isn’t it cool how I can float because of these repulsors” “Did I ever tell you how I got fat and diseased”
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Oct 23, 2021 08:48
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shrike82 posted:the drawn out shots were nice but not worth losing the airtime that could have been spent on characterization This is a movie and franchise that need to make money from IMAX screenings to continue, so I'm fine with the sweeping, breathtaking scenery shots. There should have been twice as many
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Oct 23, 2021 08:51
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Maxwell Lord posted:I feel like the spaceship shots are kinda important to the mood- you do need to convey the power of the forces at work, the mammoth machines dwarfing the men that control them and all. Probably because otherwise they'd have to what the Lynch movie did and vocalize a lot of the internal thoughts, which got goofy and creepy very fast.
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Oct 23, 2021 09:36
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I don't mind the cuts because honestly Yueh and Thufir really aren't in the story past a certain point. Almost every character from the first part of the book dies in the attack or shortly thereafter. The only person close to Paul who really has something resembling a plot arc in the second half of the book is Jessica, so I'm not surprised they gave her maximum time in the movie. The majority of the really important characters are all Fremen, who we literally are only introduced to at the end of the movie and who we will get to know in Part 2. I personally always thought it was absurd that Herbert introduced the unbreakable Imperial Physician indoctrination, and then literally the only character in the book who has undergone it breaks it and then promptly dies a few scenes later. Yueh is really not someone we need to focus on. Thufir is cool in the first half of the book, but again, he's not part of the central story of Paul and Jessica. They did a good job of fleshing out the characters that move Paul and Jessica's story forward (The Duke, Duncan, Kynes), and didn't use up time focusing on side characters, most of who die and never play any role afterwards. Honestly, the only thing I'm pissed about being removed is Kynes telling Paul, "...Urine and feces are processed in the thigh pads." when describing the stillsuits. I've read the book too many times to count, and that line still makes me giggle everytime. It's a goddamn travesty that they removed it.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Okay that and I feel somehow the siege of Arrakeen shoulda been better? Like there’s some cool parts but this is the big devastating scene where the bad guys slaughter everyone and it hits kinda soft. Honestly I think Zimmer fell short here, the scene’s got a lot of emotional beats and you can’t just have the same drone going through all of it. Maxwell Lord posted:I feel like the spaceship shots are kinda important to the mood- you do need to convey the power of the forces at work, the mammoth machines dwarfing the men that control them and all. Also if they had Paul doing the fear is the mind killer speech, he would have actually had to display... fear? I don't think he does at any point? He's way too perfect chosen one boy. Except for at the end before the dual Steve Yun posted:I feel like two or three Chani visions could have been traded for a couple minutes of Anonymous Zebra posted:I don't mind the cuts because honestly Yueh and Thufir really aren't in the story past a certain point. Almost every character from the first part of the book dies in the attack or shortly thereafter. The only person close to Paul who really has something resembling a plot arc in the second half of the book is Jessica, so I'm not surprised they gave her maximum time in the movie. e: booking tickets for BFI IMAX screening next week, woop woop El Grillo fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Oct 23, 2021 |
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People keep talking about wanting a longer cut to flesh out the characters more, but I doubt that would work well. The incident that gets things moving is Leto's capture. In the 1984 movie, this happens at the 1 hour mark. In the television/extended version of the 1984 movie (the 'Alan Smithee' one), it happens at the 1 hr 28 min mark. In the 2000 miniseries, it happens at the 1 hr 18 min mark. In the 2021 movie, it happens at the 1 hr 16 min mark. Later, Leto dies. In the 1984 movie, this happens at the 1 hr 12 min mark. In the extended edition, it happens at the 1 hr 44 min mark. In the 2000 miniseries, it happens at the 1 hr 26 min mark. In the 2021 movie, it happens at the 1 hr 31 min mark. I really doubt you can make substantial additions to the first part without the overall pacing really suffering. The 'setup' would take longer than an hour and a half. You could change the general pacing of the movie so that more things fit into less time, but at that point we're just talking about making a different movie and not this one. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Oct 23, 2021 |
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Oct 23, 2021 10:02
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El Grillo posted:uh, wait... how?? The duke's son had just been nearly assassinated, they spend the whole first half of the movie warning Paul about how everyone's going to try to kill them, but they don't have a fuckton of guards on their shield control room who won't let anyone anywhere near it, or they have that location totally secret or... any one of a million plans that mean a doctor would have to have a totally insane plan to be able to bring it down? I can assure you that practically nobody watching this movie is thinking about the logistics of shield control room vigilance. Even after reading this argument, I don't care at all. It can be rationalized in a thousand different ways. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Oct 23, 2021 |
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Oct 23, 2021 10:04
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Meh, it just seemed anticlimactic to me, trying to work out why
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Oct 23, 2021 10:17
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Steve Yun posted:I feel like two or three Chani visions could have been traded for a couple minutes of There is a little over 2 minutes of 'visions of Chani' in the whole movie.
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Oct 23, 2021 10:18
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Steve Yun posted:“Did I ever tell you how I got fat and diseased” Why would this need any sort of explaination?
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Oct 23, 2021 10:40
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Philthy posted:When he put his hand into the box and started grunting I was waiting for the burning hand, melting hand montages and he just kept grunting and then it cut to a shot of Jessica gagging with more screaming and then back to the room of him grunting and wincing. It felt like 10 minutes of dudes hand in a box pretending to be in pain with no context and then it finally showed his hand turning to ash. I think I watched the Lynch version too much. I enjoyed this vid where director breaks down that scene and explains why he chose to film it that way. https://youtu.be/GoAA0sYkLI0
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Oct 23, 2021 10:49
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Beautiful movie and VERY atmospheric. The characters sucked though, they all felt thin or uninteresting. Since I haven't read the books or seen the old movie, I'm interested to see where this goes next
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Lmao what the gently caress is this movie who let this get made it’s two hours of a kid tripping balls and evil throat singing it loving rules thing barely feels like an introduction much less a story lmao part one good luck with that
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Oct 23, 2021 11:54
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El Grillo posted:Yeah the long wide shots were important for tone and scale but I would've preferred a better balance with more character development as the other poster said. The movie is called DUNE not CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!! I read somewhere that the constant Chani flash forwards had a bit of a point - you see with Jamis the flashforwards very quickly can mean nothing and have to be made to happen. But Paul sees chani so much she is inescapable and every “strand” of his future has her
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Crespolini posted:Why would this need any sort of explaination? You can't just expect audiences to see a fat guy and not ask questions.
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Oct 23, 2021 12:03
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Random side note but Seeing a giant space ship land on a planet and lower a ramp from which dozens of guys walk off Seeing thousands of guys at large ceremonies Dudes in armor melee fighting despite advanced technology Guys in 1800’s European military dress uniforms Fighters swooping between capital ships really makes me think a Legend of Galactic Heroes live action series would be loving awesome
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The siege is very abrupt. They spend an hour saying how much danger they will be in. political danger. and then they are on the planet for a week, and are attacked and killed. there are maybe two scenes of machinations against them before they are destroyed with ease. Why wouldn’t the harkonens blow up their ship in space, instead of destroying infrastructure in their presumably important city
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They seemed to have guns and tools capable of penetrating personal shields like those burrowing needle things or the big bombs that slowed down before they hit the shield but then they go and only use swords in actual fights?
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I've never read the books or seen any media aside from Lynch's version which I can barely remember, so I went into this pretty much blind but found it to be an entertaining movie. The only real gripe that I have is Josh Brolin's character (sorry, I forget his name) seemingly dying off-screen? I wish that the attack scene had been a little longer because we see so much of him and the last I recall is him charging into battle and killing some Harkonens as the others follow him. It's conveyed as a massacre but for such a long film, could we have not had maybe a minute or two of him going down fighting? I might have missed something among the spectacle however. I think that may have possibly been filmed and merely cut to trim down the running time? First post in this thread and unsure if it's been mentioned previously, but apparently Jason Momoa has stated that they filmed about 4-6 hours of footage for this film and is calling for a director's cut which if true, I would really like to see.
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SUNKOS posted:I've never read the books or seen any media aside from Lynch's version which I can barely remember, so I went into this pretty much blind but found it to be an entertaining movie. The only real gripe that I have is Josh Brolin's character (sorry, I forget his name) seemingly dying off-screen? I wish that the attack scene had been a little longer because we see so much of him and the last I recall is him charging into battle and killing some Harkonens as the others follow him. It's conveyed as a massacre but for such a long film, could we have not had maybe a minute or two of him going down fighting? I might have missed something among the spectacle however. Gurney Halleck survives in the book so presumably does in the movie as well
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Maxwell Lord posted:I still think “Har-KOHN-ens” sounds better. As does Pahd-ish-AH. I didn't like the linguistic changes. And the 1984 movie had better language. "Remove my son's bonds." "Cattle and loveplay." "This is fitted desert fashion/it seemed the proper way." GORDON fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Oct 23, 2021 |
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Lol my iPhone 12 apparently makes the movie look better than my plasma TV or my old iMac. Might be time to shop for a new TV.
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lol goddamn all the stuff i was dubious about based on the trailers and whatever else made perfect sense and was incredible in the film. i would've liked maybe ten-twenty more minutes but goddamn. kull wahad! edit: i wasn't a big fan of the white sardaukar for example until you realize that oh poo poo these guys have a bit of a blood thing and will come out of battle showing off the blood of their enemies on their suits of armor
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This movie ruled. I was just kinda ehh on the original but this was so good it actually improved my opinion on it. Some truly beautiful shots. The scene of the emperors dudes getting blessed or whatever is like some 40k poo poo. This just fired on every cylinder for me and I never expected it to at all especially after seeing the trailer.
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Are we getting to the point I can relax in the knowledge there's probably gonna be a Part 2?
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Automatic Slim posted:It's a testament to Villeneuve's skill at the pacing of this movie. Forty-five minutes in I was surprised how much and little happened in regards to plot but was fascinated all the way. it's easily the shortest 2.5 hour movie i've ever seen. absolutely did not feel the length. i refrained from checking my phone at any point so i truly had to guess how long had passed, and while yes i was megabeefed on 80mg of THC edibles, i wasn't THAT stoned and i was surprised when i realized the movie was ending. felt like it had only been about 100 mins
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Hiro Protagonist posted:Are we getting to the point I can relax in the knowledge there's probably gonna be a Part 2? Until they actually start shooting I won’t believe it.
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GORDON posted:As does Pahd-ish-AH. I didn't like the linguistic changes. And the 1984 movie had better language. "Remove my son's bonds." "Cattle and loveplay." "This is fitted desert fashion/it seemed the proper way." I think the first and last are direct book quotes
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GORDON posted:As does Pahd-ish-AH. I didn't like the linguistic changes. And the 1984 movie had better language. "Remove my son's bonds." "Cattle and loveplay." "This is fitted desert fashion/it seemed the proper way." Padishah is a real word
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david_a posted:Until they actually start shooting I won’t believe it. ehhhh i dunno, part 2 of this seems fairly inevitable.
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Simone Magus posted:ehhhh i dunno, part 2 of this seems fairly inevitable. I tend to agree, but the industry and in particular the economics of it are changing so quickly and so often that I'm not breathing easy until I see a trailer.
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talking of which, my theater had a lot of audible confusion when "PART ONE" came up on the title card lmao gottem
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Did it make money? Then yeah it's getting a sequel
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Lakedaimon posted:
This is from the last page, but I wanted to point out that part one (the movie) covers more than half the book, and that first half is much more exposition- and jargon-heavy than the second half. The second part should have plenty of exposition of what Fremen society is like, and hopefully more off world stuff, but with the overall universe established I expect it to have much more room for characters themselves to breathe.
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shrike82 posted:there are a lot of missing scenes that take away from the movie eg. the jessica-thufir confrontation which underscores the power of the BG and how they're viewed by other parties Does it take away from the movie, though? I can't imagine watching the film and not coming to the same conclusions about the BG even without that scene.
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One detail I really appreciated is that we're first shown how Paul has almost mastered The Voice when he commands Jessica to give him some water, and the next time we see The Voice used it's on Paul with there being an implicit point of view where we don't see the steps Paul takes towards Mohaim, indicating how completely someone loses control of themselves when The Voice is used on them, to the point that they're not even aware of what happens.Spergin Morlock posted:he was deliberately infected with a disfiguring disease by RM Helen Gaius Mohiam. it's explained in one of the prequel books. the Baron was fit before that happened Spergin Morlock posted:it happens long in the past. the Bene Gesserit need his genes as part of their program and the Baron refuses to cooperate at first because he likes boys and doesn't want to impregnate Mohiam. she presses the point and he gets angry and rapes her violently. as that is happening she releases a disease in him as revenge. Jessica was the result of that "union"  Arglebargle III posted:The galactic holocaust isn't avoidable without Paul dying, which is kind of a theme. Paul knowingly trades the Atreides dynasty and Paul's personal survival for something like 60 billion lives. Adult Paul with more experience of ruling and prescience encounters a similar choice and decides to walk into the desert without a stillsuit rather than go on. Nitrousoxide posted:Book stuff Maxwell Lord posted:I still think “Har-KOHN-ens” sounds better. Of course there's 20000 years in between, so in reality they would be descended from everyone living today. Steve Yun posted:The 1984 worms looked cooler with their double layers of three lips. I get why he went with a round-mouthed worm with baleen for teeth, it looks like an eye staring at you, but it’s just not as cool looking Also that sandworms seem to move by vibrating the sand so it attains fluid dynamics, that's a cool touch. Also, I'm pretty sure you can see an inner part of the worm close up in a short very shortly after or before the one you linked:  Steve Yun posted:Okay so it’s nagging at me that Villeneuve dressed the Atreides hardware as modern American military imagery. Even the headsets that the passengers wear in the ornithopter look like stuff from 20th century America Collapsing Farts posted:Did it make money? Then yeah it's getting a sequel Also, Warner Bros CEO pretty much confirmed it: https://twitter.com/indiewire/status/1451174429954818048 BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Oct 23, 2021 |
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