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All the ND stories bring back memories of idiots offing each other playing loving quick draw in the back of a vehicle, or that stupid as poo poo "do you trust me" game. I hope that went out of style in the early 2000s.
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A SIGINT marine tasked to gate duty at Lejeune got killed when one of the other gate guards decided to play the trust game with him in the mid 2010s. Which just proves that it doesn’t matter how smart you are sometimes, it matters how dumb the guy pulling the trigger is.
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Oct 24, 2021 18:53
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My favorite ND was going into a hanger to see Rumsfeld speak (I was supposed to meet him, and didn't, thankfully. This was the infamous 'HillBilly Armor' event). A Major walked to the clearing barrel, racks his M9. Blam! Racks the slide Blam! Racks the slide. Blam! 'Oh!' Removes magazine, racks slide. Click! No one said a word to him. No one gave a gently caress this dude is a doing a desk pop in visual range of the of the SECDAF. Summer Break 03 was lit.
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Oct 24, 2021 18:55
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Shamelessly taken from the TFF NFL Gameday Thread. https://twitter.com/WayneDavid81/status/1451998482500362243?s=20
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SquirrelyPSU posted:Shamelessly taken from the TFF NFL Gameday Thread. lol when she tried to throw it back
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Grem posted:All the ND stories bring back memories of idiots offing each other playing loving quick draw in the back of a vehicle, or that stupid as poo poo "do you trust me" game. I hope that went out of style in the early 2000s. Watching people recreate Star Wars scenes with M9s in the CAST dorms at Dix 2014. First time through Dix our weapons were constantly cleared and inspected since right before our CAST rotation some Raven managed to ND through a window first thing in the morning which rightfully raised a ton of questions and concerns. Second time through it was a lot more lax since I’m guessing no one had shot up the parking lot recently.
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My friend who is a SNCO and formerly a ranger got tasked with unfucking some outpost in northern Iraq because discipline had broken down so badly under an ineffectual CO, the culmination of which was one guy on gate guard playing quickly draw with an “empty” pistol and NDing into his partner’s dick. Whoops!
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Oct 25, 2021 01:16
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More fodder for the dickbook, I suppose. https://www.instagram.com/p/CVdSDWMFN__/?utm_medium=copy_link
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Oct 25, 2021 17:22
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Jesus christ https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rust-alec-baldwin-ammo-fanny-pack_n_61778378e4b079111a5b90e8
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Oct 26, 2021 18:29
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GD_American posted:Jesus christ JFC what a mess. quote:
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Oct 26, 2021 18:59
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I think I found a picture of an Army idiot.
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Oct 26, 2021 19:00
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Were they out of Camaros that day?
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Oct 26, 2021 19:09
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goatsestretchgoals posted:Were they out of Camaros that day? Your username owns.
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Oct 26, 2021 19:40
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Cythereal posted:I think I found a picture of an Army idiot. This must be ironic or something... Right?
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Oct 26, 2021 19:53
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GD_American posted:Jesus christ I'm not really clear. Is this a criminal investigation? Is it normal for this much info to be released?
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Oct 26, 2021 19:57
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I’m guessing a lot of this is leaks.
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Oct 26, 2021 20:07
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Casimir Radon posted:I’m guessing a lot of this is leaks. It’s from court documents. quote:
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm not really clear. Is this a criminal investigation? Is it normal for this much info to be released? Yeah, there were search warrants served like 2 days ago that first revealed the details about the AD screaming "cold gun" while whipping around the loaded Colt.
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Oct 26, 2021 20:26
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Pissed off crew are also more than happy to have long, in-depth talks with TMZ / Deadline/ etc. as a gently caress you to a lovely employer
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm not really clear. Is this a criminal investigation? Is it normal for this much info to be released? No its not normal but this sounds like a very strange case with a ton of red flags that should have been attended to prior to the accidental / negligent death
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Oct 26, 2021 22:52
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Probably a lot of leaks from one side trying to shift blame to another, too.
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Oct 26, 2021 23:09
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Right now it looks like the AD is probably most culpable, especially since he’s been removed from a previous movie for unsafe firearm handling. But there’s plenty of blame to go around.
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Oct 26, 2021 23:17
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I guess what I'm getting at is is there a danger of any potential jury being prejudiced as a result of the amount of info out there
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Oct 26, 2021 23:18
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I guess what I'm getting at is is there a danger of any potential jury being prejudiced as a result of the amount of info out there I wouldn't be surprised if some or all of these leaks are intended to do just that - generate a narrative that protects important parties by assigning blame to someone expendable
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Oct 26, 2021 23:33
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I guess what I'm getting at is is there a danger of any potential jury being prejudiced as a result of the amount of info out there They found a jury for OJ, the Boston Marathon bomber, and Zacarias Moussaoui. I think they got this.
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Casimir Radon posted:Right now it looks like the AD is probably most culpable, especially since he’s been removed from a previous movie for unsafe firearm handling. But there’s plenty of blame to go around. I want to see the actual director take heat for not shutting everything down when it was proved to be unsafe, and in fact using scabs to continue working in face of proven unsafe conditions.
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The Lone Badger posted:I want to see the actual director take heat for not shutting everything down when it was proved to be unsafe, and in fact using scabs to continue working in face of proven unsafe conditions. Unless it was someone like Scorsese or Cameron, then the blame probably should be on the studio who didn’t shut it down. The director doesn’t have a resumé that leads me to believe he was the decision maker in any capacity. Culpable yes, but culpable like a 12 year old who lets their little brother burn the house down while babysitting. E: that said, I think one thing that is getting lost here is to  treat every loving firearm like it is loaded until you visually verify that it is not. And even then, keep handling it like it’s loaded and can kill someone.
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While good advice in general, I don't think most actors on movie sets could even tell the difference between a real gun loaded with blank cartridges versus actual bullets, nor should they need to. If an armorer hands Alec Baldwin a gun on a movie set and says it's safe, he should be able to take that to the bank, and I think expecting him to triple check at that point is kind of unreasonable.
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Cythereal posted:I think I found a picture of an Army idiot. the most aggressively decorated 73 HP vehicle 30% APR can buy im the grenade partially obstructing the exhaust
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Imagined posted:and I think expecting him to triple check at that point is kind of unreasonable. Please verify the status of every weapon you pick up, even if Jesus Christ himself walked on water to hand it to you and told you that he and the Virgin Mary made sure it was cleared. Otherwise, guess what might happen? E: this is especially important if you’re the one who is going to be pulling the trigger. boop the snoot fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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I inspected every single weapon armorers handed me, because they were at least inattentive, hungover, and sleep-deprived. If you’re not checking a weapon someone handed to you, it’s just the stupid loving “Trust” game in reverse.
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Oct 27, 2021 13:41
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Imagined posted:While good advice in general, I don't think most actors on movie sets could even tell the difference between a real gun loaded with blank cartridges versus actual bullets, nor should they need to. If an armorer hands Alec Baldwin a gun on a movie set and says it's safe, he should be able to take that to the bank, and I think expecting him to triple check at that point is kind of unreasonable. A. Train actors before you hand them a gun. I had to get trained on how to handle a loving cordless drill for work, they can get trained to handle a gun. B. Yes, it’s reasonable to expect him to triple check. Someone died.
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Imagined posted:While good advice in general, I don't think most actors on movie sets could even tell the difference between a real gun loaded with blank cartridges versus actual bullets, nor should they need to. If an armorer hands Alec Baldwin a gun on a movie set and says it's safe, he should be able to take that to the bank, and I think expecting him to triple check at that point is kind of unreasonable. Blanks vs. dummies vs. live ammo is one thing, but, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect a person to know that the boom boom stuff goes here. If you’ve just been handed an instrument of death that’s supposed to be “cold”, that is, have no boom boom stuff in it at all, and you see material where the boom boom stuff goes, that should raise some questions. We don’t expect people to know much about fixing a car, but they ought to be able to recognize that they shouldn’t be sliding down the road on three tires and sparking rim.
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Reminder that actors are idiots. They're brilliant and good looking liars who can remember lines, but they're idiots by and large. Everyone should absolutely get weapons training 100% of the time because of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UELwDUEl1Po
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Well and we should listen to the union guys when they walk off the set because of unsafe conditions.
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There's really no reason in 2021 that they even need to use anything but CGI to make things go bang, anyway.
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Imagined posted:While good advice in general, I don't think most actors on movie sets could even tell the difference between a real gun loaded with blank cartridges versus actual bullets, nor should they need to. If an armorer hands Alec Baldwin a gun on a movie set and says it's safe, he should be able to take that to the bank, and I think expecting him to triple check at that point is kind of unreasonable. https://theconversation.com/explainer-the-rules-for-shooting-on-film-sets-71797 quote:Each time a gun is handed to a performer, the armourer must open the weapon’s breach and present it to the performer with verbal confirmation such as, “The weapon is clear”. They don't need to tell the difference between a gun loaded with blanks vs one loaded with live ammo. They don't need to manipulate the gun at all. They are able to tell the difference between a gun loaded with nothing, and a gun loaded with something. Yes, there are different rules on a movie set: "open the action and look into the breech yourself" is changed to "the armorer opens the action so you can look into the breech." But they didn't follow that rule either, and the rule is *not* "take the armorer's word for it." And even if it were, *the armorer didn't hand him the gun," the AD did, and the AD certainly didn't demonstrate the unloaded status of the gun to Baldwin. The difference between blanks and live rounds is not relevant here. While I acknowledge that sometimes, maybe, on a movie set, while filming, you might have to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger on a blank round, that wasn't the case here, either. They weren't rolling. Baldwin was on-set *practicing his draw*, and while he was practicing he pointed that gun at a crew member, not another actor, and pulled the trigger. Imagined posted:There's really no reason in 2021 that they even need to use anything but CGI to make things go bang, anyway. There is. CGI doesn't duplicate the recoil of the gun or the muzzle flash of the gun and it looks obviously fake. It's like when they CGI a fire instead of just lighting something on fire.
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boop the snoot posted:Please verify the status of every weapon you pick up, even if Jesus Christ himself walked on water to hand it to you and told you that he and the Virgin Mary made sure it was cleared. Actors get handed dull swords, prop knives, and big bombs with wires and digital clock faces on them. Its bizarre that they are handed actual firearms to perform with and I think that practice has to be changed, rarher than expecting all actors to know wtf they are doing qhnet handling firearms.
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Grip it and rip it posted:Actors get handed dull swords, prop knives, and big bombs with wires and digital clock faces on them. Its bizarre that they are handed actual firearms to perform with and I think that practice has to be changed, rarher than expecting all actors to know wtf they are doing qhnet handling firearms. I agree 100%. The only reason it's become standard industry practice is that: 1. real guns are cheaper than fake guns because they are mass produced (nobody's making swords en masse) and 2. Before the age of CGI, the most effective way of making a gunshot look real was to use blanks. Hopefully this is enough to get a frankly risky standard changed.
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