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What I am really struggling with here is why there was live ammo on the set in the first place. Blanks, I get. Dummies, I get. But why the christ was something with a bullet in it necessary?
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Mr. Nice! posted:Reminder that actors are idiots. They're brilliant and good looking liars who can remember lines, but they're idiots by and large. Everyone should absolutely get weapons training 100% of the time because of this. Hmmm you claim actors are good looking yet Paul Giamatti has a career, hypocrisy much?
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Oct 27, 2021 16:50
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Fearless posted:What I am really struggling with here is why there was live ammo on the set in the first place. Blanks, I get. Dummies, I get. But why the christ was something with a bullet in it necessary? I think that's really the biggest thing. Movie people gonna movie, but as soon as there was any hint of actual put holes in things ammunition on set, that set should've been closed down and stripped to find any more. But apparently there were stray rounds just lying around, so good go, I guess.
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Fearless posted:What I am really struggling with here is why there was live ammo on the set in the first place. Blanks, I get. Dummies, I get. But why the christ was something with a bullet in it necessary? It wasn't. Crew members were apparently going plinking in between takes and there was live ammo just floating around uncontrolled on set.
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Oct 27, 2021 16:53
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Fearless posted:What I am really struggling with here is why there was live ammo on the set in the first place. Blanks, I get. Dummies, I get. But why the christ was something with a bullet in it necessary? Reportedly the crew was target shooting between setups / after hours with the functional prop guns, or what they were calling "plinking". Real ammo was found in several locations around set.
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Oct 27, 2021 16:53
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not caring here posted:But apparently there were stray rounds just lying around, so good go, I guess. They were used by the armorer to target shoot between takes, op.
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maffew buildings posted:Hmmm you claim actors are good looking yet Paul Giamatti has a career, hypocrisy much? How DARE you insult this beautiful man. 
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Prop guns can be safe, but you have to enable the Subject Matter Experts, the armorers and the union guys, to be able to voice their concerns. If you fail to listen people get hurt and/or die.
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Oct 27, 2021 18:03
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I wonder if it's worth arguing about how the media is erroneously using the term "prop gun" (which typically describes an inert, gun-shaped object like a blue gun) when what they mean is a live firearm that was [supposed to be] loaded with blanks, and muddying the waters really badly in the process. I'm probably the idiot for wondering that.
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Oct 27, 2021 18:13
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Dick Burglar posted:I wonder if it's worth arguing about how the media is erroneously using the term "prop gun" (which typically describes an inert, gun-shaped object like a blue gun) when what they mean is a live firearm that was [supposed to be] loaded with blanks, and muddying the waters really badly in the process. I'm probably the idiot for wondering that. I mean, if its shaped like a firearm, going to be used in place of a firearm, it should be treated as one from a safety perspective. I'm not an armorer, but that's how I would do so.
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Oct 27, 2021 18:14
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CommieGIR posted:I mean, if its shaped like a firearm, going to be used in place of a firearm, it should be treated as one from a safety perspective. I'm not an armorer, but that's how I would do so.  In addition, even if you take the stance that Baldwin isn’t knowledgeable enough to be trained to safety check a firearm that’s in his hands, then he still violated all four rules of firearms by pointing the loving thing at his DP and Director and pulling the trigger. The Swiss cheese model of this event is more hole than cheese.
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Oct 27, 2021 18:21
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Mr. Nice! posted:How DARE you insult this beautiful man. It was an SNL skit
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Oct 27, 2021 19:00
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Dillbag posted:Reportedly the crew was target shooting between setups / after hours with the functional prop guns, or what they were calling "plinking". Real ammo was found in several locations around set.  I think we just found the fall guys for this one.
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Oct 27, 2021 19:00
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Man I just really resist any take on this which even hints at any blame for the actor. If there's any blame for Baldwin in this, I'm inclined to assign it to his role as a producer on this film. Especially as someone who tries to portray himself as a spokesperson for the left, when his money was on the line he sided against the workers and against the unions, and someone died as a direct result of that chain of decisions. Imagined fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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Oct 27, 2021 19:16
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Yeah I’ve had to explain this to a few people. Alec Baldwin the actor is largely blameless*, Alec Baldwin the producer should be brought up on loving manslaughter charges. *This is assuming they were getting a shot where he points the gun at the camera as he pulls the trigger. It gets super grey area if he was just loving around with it between takes. Then again, same dude, so throw the loving book at him.
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Oct 27, 2021 19:27
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Way back when I used to read right wing blogs in the mid-2000s they were doing dumb poo poo like trying to smear David Arquette for being pro gun control because he was in movies like Scream where his character carried a gun. They’ll grasp at any straw they can.
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Oct 27, 2021 19:46
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Imagined posted:Especially as someone who tries to portray himself as a spokesperson for the left, when his money was on the line he sided against the workers and against the unions, and someone died as a direct result of that chain of decisions. He portrays himself as a spokesman for the Democratic Party, not "the left." In that sense, he perfectly represented the Democratic Party's obsequiousness to the owning class and utter disdain for workers' rights. Totally on-brand.
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Oct 27, 2021 19:49
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goatsestretchgoals posted:Yeah I’ve had to explain this to a few people. Alec Baldwin the actor is largely blameless*, Alec Baldwin the producer should be brought up on loving manslaughter charges. He was loving around between takes. They weren't filming. There's no grey here. He ignored standard rules and procedures (which, as an experienced actor and a producer he is damned well familiar with), pointed a gun at a human being, and pulled the trigger. Alec Baldwin the actor did that.
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Oct 27, 2021 20:16
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Phanatic posted:He was loving around between takes. They weren't filming. There's no grey here. He ignored standard rules and procedures (which, as an experienced actor and a producer he is damned well familiar with), pointed a gun at a human being, and pulled the trigger. Alec Baldwin the actor did that. He was rehearsing for the take. He was supposed to pull the gun out and point it at the camera. That's why the director and the cinematographer were behind the camera: they wanted to make sure he nailed the shot the first time. and he did
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Oct 27, 2021 20:53
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Vengarr posted:
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Oct 27, 2021 23:11
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You don't want actors loving with guns. Just like they aren't handed real straight razors. The last thing you want is someone ignorant loving around with guns. Most NDs happen during administrative handling- checking, clearing, etc- not actually shooting. There is plenty of blame to go around, but actors are not a part of the safety system. Nor should they be- they aren't qualified, which is why there is supposed to be a system with multiple checks BEFORE an actor comes close to it. This was a gently caress upped poo poo show.
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Oct 27, 2021 23:14
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Seems like most of the arguments are how to apportion blame between actor Alec Baldwin for how he handled the weapon and producer Alec Baldwin for how he ran the movie. In conclusion Alec Baldwin is a land of contrasts.
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Oct 27, 2021 23:23
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bulletsponge13 posted:You don't want actors loving with guns. Just like they aren't handed real straight razors. The last thing you want is someone ignorant loving around with guns. Most NDs happen during administrative handling- checking, clearing, etc- not actually shooting. Actors routinely learn other skills so that they can use them while they act. They learn to sing, dance, ride horses, ride motorcycles, drive cars, play musical instruments, and occasionally fly helicopters so they can do their own aerial stunts. If you're going to hand an actor a real gun is it not out of the question that they learn how to handle it safely. They don't all need to be Keanu doing three-gun, but they can absolutely and should absolutely learn to clear a damned gun. Failing that, it's completely reasonable that when an AD hands them a gun, instead of an armorer, and says "it's clear" without physically showing them that it's clear, then they know enough to speak up and say "show me, don't just tell me." Especially when you're on a film set that had two NDs in the days just prior and where crew have walked off the set in protest at lax safety standards. Phanatic fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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Phanatic posted:Actors routinely learn other skills so that they can use them while they act. They learn to sing, dance, ride horses, ride motorcycles, drive cars, play musical instruments, and occasionally fly helicopters so they can do their own aerial stunts. Yeah I agree with this.
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Oct 27, 2021 23:29
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Dick Burglar posted:I wonder if it's worth arguing about how the media is erroneously using the term "prop gun" (which typically describes an inert, gun-shaped object like a blue gun) when what they mean is a live firearm that was [supposed to be] loaded with blanks, and muddying the waters really badly in the process. I'm probably the idiot for wondering that. I understand that “prop gun” is a term of art and these things straight out of the Uberti factory (or wherever) are very real guns, but more generally, a prop is any object used on screen or on stage. A telephone or a pill bottle or a cane becomes a prop when it is brought to the the production with the intent that it will be seen by the audience. There is not necessarily any physical difference between these items and any others of their class found on the street. Weapons are weird and the exception.
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Phanatic posted:Actors routinely learn other skills so that they can use them while they act. They learn to sing, dance, ride horses, ride motorcycles, drive cars, play musical instruments, and occasionally fly helicopters so they can do their own aerial stunts. Simply point the gun at the AD and pull the trigger, to check if it is truly clear. The Darwinian school of gun safety.
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MrYenko posted:
Hes an actor rehearing a role - those rulea dont apply in Hollywood productions
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Oct 28, 2021 03:33
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Oh gently caress lol 
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good god
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Oct 28, 2021 03:55
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Holy gently caress 
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Oct 28, 2021 04:08
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Same as everyone else but holy poo poo after a double take this is a supreme post.
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OHH MADONE
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