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Rarity posted:The desert tribe virtually cut off from the rest of society knows about Aan'allein He's kind of the definition of "Living Legend". Everyone knows about him and respects him and his ability to kill things from the Blight.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There are *very* subtle hints in the first book. There's the significant glances when they first meet, then at the taren ferry Thom flourishes a dagger and she laughs, then from there on in retrospect yeah it's clear that Min saw a vision of them married up and told Moraine. Wheel Takes' Ali clocked it immediately, like without hesitation or reservations. I won't disagree it was extremely subtle because like you I thought it came out of nowhere, but on a reread there are signs and like others said it follows romance novel tropes. The star-crossed lovers is a cliche, it just happens that these two are political masters of subtlety and nuance and don't feel the need to announce it
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I don't think we ever see a woman in the series who isn't described as hot to at least some degree Hessalam.
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Natural 20 posted:Hessalam. Yeah I forgot about her, but she's clearly a Brandon character. Jordan was horny for all women.
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Nov 6, 2021 02:15
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Invalid Validation posted:If that was his plan all along then he was so subtle about the fact they were going to get together that it might as well not have existed. Like I get how you can kinda connect the dots after everything was set and done, but if they never got together it would just be a blip in the story. It’s either too subtle or just a change in the story he wanted to make. I lean on the side of a change in story that comes out of nowhere. Weird how I was expecting them to end up together while still reading book 3 then
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah I forgot about her, but she's clearly a Brandon character. Jordan was horny for all women. Okay one more cut. Laras, who was definitely hot in the past, but is not hot now.
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Nov 6, 2021 02:21
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Jordan was horny for all women. I respect it.  I think maybe people who grew up in fandom or did shipping (those are the words right?) cottoned onto T + M more often than those who didn't. I never had anything to do with those cultures so it went entirely over my head, and I don't care for it.
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Nov 6, 2021 02:22
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Lini is definitely not written as hot
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Hexel posted:Far Dareis Mai killing with their face uncovered show is ruined That, uh, is kind of a major though
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Nov 6, 2021 02:23
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Rarity posted:Lini is definitely not written as hot Neither is Aviendha
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Nov 6, 2021 02:24
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I thought Vandene and Adeleas might be old and no longer pretty too but they apparently still had patrician features. God bless that horny old bastard Also I totally assumed one of the sisters was Black, murdered the black sister that they were interrogating to protect the secret, then had to murder her sister and take her place to allay suspicion. That they looked near identical and "Vandene" started wearing Adeleas' clothes made it seem even more certain to me, if brazen.
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Nov 6, 2021 02:31
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Laras and Lini are both clearly hot emeritus
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Nov 6, 2021 02:34
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Natural 20 posted:Okay one more cut. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Laras and Lini are both clearly hot emeritus Also, being fat is clearly a good thing for people in the hospitality industry
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Nov 6, 2021 02:36
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Random and perhaps unwelcome thought but now that in 2021 we're trying to excise phrases like "black magic" and "blacklist" and "master/slave" from casual language, I wonder whether Black Ajah will be rethought
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Nov 6, 2021 02:36
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you should probably assume everyone in the series is hot unless the books go to great lengths to tell you how dogshit ugly they are, such as olver or literally anyone birgitte is attracted to
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Data Graham posted:Random and perhaps unwelcome thought but now that in 2021 we're trying to excise phrases like "black magic" and "blacklist" and "master/slave" from casual language, I wonder whether Black Ajah will be rethought quote:“You can’t call them black magicians,” I said.
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Nov 6, 2021 02:39
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Ethically Compromised Ajah is too broad considering we have the Reds
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my guess is they have one of the many black actors on the show make a joke about it when it first comes up and then just roll with it
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Nov 6, 2021 02:45
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The tainted Ajah.
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look, white and all the good colors were already taken, we didn't have a lot of great options
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Nov 6, 2021 02:47
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Invalid Validation posted:The tainted Ajah.
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Nov 6, 2021 02:50
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Make it the white ajah and shuffle all the ajah colors. Let the lord of chaos rule.
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Nov 6, 2021 02:51
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Read that as "Ethnically Challenged" and was like drat oof
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DarkHorse posted:Wheel Takes' Ali clocked it immediately, like without hesitation or reservations. was thinking this the whole time I caught up these last few pages, I think there was like a bit lip line? or something? alarms went off in her head, pretty funny
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:That, uh, is kind of a major though They pay folks a lot of money to use their faces to say stuff, makes sense they wouldn't want to cover it up. Also face coverings drive the audio crew insane. Still, I'm hoping she got the veil ripped off by her opponent immediately before that still and that it's still a thing because yeah that's kinda major. It's such a weird cultural tic with such a great explanation.
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Hexel posted:Far Dareis Mai killing with their face uncovered show is ruined That actually bums me out a bit.
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RandolphCarter posted:That actually bums me out a bit. I get that, but...you know, visual medium. Gonna be a bitch telling Aiel characters apart in a fight if the audience can't see their faces.
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Nov 6, 2021 04:20
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Probably Shaiel just carrying an infant instead of actively pregnant. Shaiel wouldn't necessarily be veiled. Anyway we'll see. One thing that's becoming clear is that the show writers are *very* conscious of *every* change.
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Nov 6, 2021 04:34
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Yeah the veil stuff is pretty deeply developed in the books and it comes up over and over. Changing thom's harp is whatever, but the aiel should have their desert appropriate clothing and their signature veils. You can tell people apart and tell compelling visual stories without showing people's nose.
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Nov 6, 2021 04:35
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The evil Ajah will be Plaid as the natural corruption of the stripes of the Amyrlin/Accepted.
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Hulk was also shown charging Thanos with the others in the Infinity War trailer
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Anias posted:Yeah the veil stuff is pretty deeply developed in the books and it comes up over and over. Changing thom's harp is whatever, but the aiel should have their desert appropriate clothing and their signature veils. You can tell people apart and tell compelling visual stories without showing people's nose. Yeah, it's not like we didn't spend almost the last 2 straight years with our faces veiled. Oh man, Aiel would be really dangerous in a pandemic.
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Anias posted:Make it the white ajah and shuffle all the ajah colors. Let the lord of chaos rule.
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People shouldn't overreact just because "black" is used in a light vs. darkness theme. What about the Dark One, is it un-PC, too? And there's the evil organization that burns women at the stake called Whitecloaks. I think black ajah is okay. Besides, we've already seen the seven traditional ajahs in that scene in the Hall of the Tower, so changing the white ajah to something else won't be happening.
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jng2058 posted:I get that, but...you know, visual medium. Gonna be a bitch telling Aiel characters apart in a fight if the audience can't see their faces. I've also seen somebody crying on twitter about aes sedai in hijab so theres that  I guess the easiest way to not be "problematic" is to be loose with the veils
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y'all acting like it's a change they would randomly do for no reason despite there being literally multiple points where they've talked about there being actual heated arguments on how best to tackle things from the books
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Nov 6, 2021 12:51
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They literally only have to veil for a fight so it's not like it would interrupt the actors talking. So if they actually did remove the 'black veiled aiel' thing I would dislike it yeah. But im sure it'll be fine
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Rafe has said before theres a lot of things that are fine in print but look like poo poo on the screen. Like a 2 paragraph explanation of a warder bond when you could just have Lan beat his chest and let out a cry. I'm assuming the Aiel veil is similiar. Personally IDGAF 
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Hexel posted:Rafe has said before theres a lot of things that are fine in print but look like poo poo on the screen. The warder bond is one thing, but Aiel covering their faces to kill is a big part of who and what they are.
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The Aiel work fine without the veil, it's a cool bit of flavour but that's all
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