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wizzardstaff
Apr 6, 2018

Zorch! Splat! Pow!

Harold Fjord posted:

I've enjoyed the little bit of Christopher Moore I've read, mostly Lamb, the Gospel According to Biff. Comparable to Discworld.

Bloodsucking Fiends is an absolute favorite of mine.

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Danhenge
Dec 16, 2005

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Anyone have any comedic fantasy or sci fi to recommend? I've read all of discworld, and space team, just looking for some good fun reads. Was working my way though the magic of magic series but it got kinda weird in the last book and the opening of the new book was just kinda ugh, so I'm looking for something new.

Really loved space team, l.g. estrella has some great stuff. If you've got some recs, feel free to pass em along.

Janitors of the Post-apocalypse is pretty silly

Bear Sleuth
Jul 17, 2011

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Anyone have any comedic fantasy or sci fi to recommend?

Vance! It's not all comedic by any means but his signature ironic tone is the source for loads of humor, and there are books like Cugel's Saga which is nothing but a series of goofball escapades. The chapter Cugel spends as a worminger jumps to mind as a highlight.

Or Hughart! Bridge of Birds is profoundly beautiful by the end, but the journey there is mostly comedic with plenty of scams, schemes, and shenanigans.

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
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shit wizard dad

Bear Sleuth posted:

Vance! It's not all comedic by any means but his signature ironic tone is the source for loads of humor, and there are books like Cugel's Saga which is nothing but a series of goofball escapades. The chapter Cugel spends as a worminger jumps to mind as a highlight.

drat it's been a minute since I read Cugel but still lmao

Cugel and Bunderwal are competing for a job

quote:

Cugel gave Bunderwal a careful inspection. "He seems to be a modest, decent and unassuming person, but definitely not a sound choice for the position of supercargo."
"And why do you say that?"
"If you will notice," said Cugel, "Bunderwal shows the drooping nostrils which indicate an infallible tendency towards seasickness."
"Cugel is a man of discernment!" declared Bunderwal. "I would rate him an applicant of fair to good quality, and I urge you to ignore his long spatulate fingers which I last noticed on Larkin the baby-stealer. There is a significant difference between the two: Larkin has been hanged and Cugel has not been hanged."

Iucouno the wizard wants Cugel dead, but it would be gauche to just blast him

quote:

Iucounu led the way into a hall panelled in fine dark mahogany, where he was greeted effusively by a small round animal with long fur, short legs and black button eyes. The creature bounded up and down and voiced a series of shrill barks. Iucounu patted the beast. “Well then, Ettis, how goes your world? Have they been feeding you enough suet? Good! I am glad to hear such happy tidings, since, other than Cugel, you are my only friend. Now then! To order! I must confer with Cugel.”

Iucounu signaled Cugel to a chair at the table, and seated himself opposite. The animal ran back and forth barking, pausing only long enough to gnaw at Cugel’s ankles.

A pair of young sylphs floated into the room with trays of silver which they set before Cugel and Iucounu, then drifted once more back the way they had come.

Iucounu rubbed his hands together. “As you know, Cugel, I serve only the best. The wine is Angelius from Quantique, and the biscuits are formed from the pollen of red clover blossom.”

“Your judgment has always been exquisite,” said Cugel.

“I am content only with the subtle and the refined,” said Iucounu. He tasted the wine. “Matchless!” He drank again. “Heady, tart, with a hint of arrogance.” He looked across the table at Cugel. “What is your opinion?”

Cugel shook his head in sad abnegation. “One taste of this elixir and I never again could tolerate ordinary drink.” He dipped a biscuit into the wine and tendered it to Ettis, who again had paused to gnaw at his leg. “Ettis of course has a wider discrimination than I.”

Iucounu jumped to his feet with a protest, but Ettis had already gulped down the morsel, thereupon to perform a curious contortion and fall down on its back, with feet raised stiffly into the air.

Cugel looked questioningly at Iucounu. “You have trained Ettis well in the ‘dead dog’ trick. He is a clever beast.”

Iucounu slowly subsided into his chair. Two sylphs entered the chamber and carried Ettis away on a silver tray.

Edit: Cugel has been sent to a domain of darkness to be consumed by the demon Phampoun (who sleeps with blinders on to keep out any stray light rays) but wrangles the sleeping demon to the surface by outwitting Pulsifer, the demon's homunculus tongue

quote:

"Most interesting, although I am unfamiliar with such extensive vistas. In fact, I feel almost a sense of vertigo. What is the source of the savage red glare?”

“That is the light of our ancient sun, now westering toward sunset.”

“It does not appeal to me. Please be quick about your business; I have suddenly become most uneasy.”

“I will make haste,” said Cugel.

The sun, sinking low, sent a shaft of light through the portal, to play full upon the altar. Cugel, stepping behind the massive chair, twitched away the two shutters which guarded Phampoun’s eyes, and the milky orbs glistened in the sunlight.

For an instant Phampoun lay quiet. His muscles knotted, his legs jerked, his mouth gaped wide, and he emitted an explosion of sound: a grinding scream which propelled Pulsifer forth to vibrate like a flag in the wind. Phampoun lunged from the altar to fall sprawling and rolling across the floor of the temple, all the while maintaining his cataclysmic outcries. He pulled himself erect, and pounding the tiled floor with his great feet, he sprang here and there and at last burst through the stone walls as if they were paper, while the Kind Folk in the square stood petrified.

Cugel, taking the two sacks of gold, departed the temple by a side entrance. For a moment he watched Phampoun careering around the square, screaming and flailing at the sun. Pulsifer, desperately gripping a pair of tusks, attempted to steer the maddened demon, who, ignoring all restraint, plunged eastward through the city, trampling down trees, bursting through houses as if they failed to exist.

NoneMoreNegative fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Nov 8, 2021

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Anyone have any comedic fantasy or sci fi to recommend?

James Schmitz' The Witches of Karres is a hoot.

Do not under any circumstances read the sequels-by-other-hands they are abominations before the Lord.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Harold Fjord posted:

I've enjoyed the little bit of Christopher Moore I've read, mostly Lamb, the Gospel According to Biff. Comparable to Discworld.

I don’t know if I would quite characterize Moore as “Fantasy.” I tell people he’s Absurd Magical Realism.

Lamb is one of my all-time favorite books. Bloodsucking Fiends, Practical Demonkeeping, and Coyote Blue are all awesome, although I never cared for the BSF sequels. The Stupidest Angel is cute (and it’s a Christmas story) but you might have to read The Lust Lizard of Melancholy Cove to know who the characters are and I always felt kind of meh about that one.

Island of the Sequined Love Nun gets honorable mention for a great title and having Roberto in it (he no like the light).

.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Reading Dune and I still can't get over the name of the chosen one. Like you got people named Pardot Kynes, Thufir Hawat, Vladimir Harkonnen, Glossu Rabban Harkonnen, Gurney Halleck and....Paul.

Bayham Badger
Jan 19, 2007

Secretly force socialism, communism and imperialism types of government onto the people of the United States of America.

How can you not include Duncan Idaho on your off-the-dome list of amazing names in Dune?

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Lunsku
May 21, 2006

World Fantasy Awards were handed out last weekend:
http://www.worldfantasy.org/world-fantasy-awards%E2%84%A0-2021/

Novel shortlist and winner in bold:

quote:

Piranesi by Susanna Clarke (Bloomsbury)
Trouble the Saints by Alaya Dawn Johnson (Tor Books)
The Only Good Indians by Stephen Graham Jones (Saga Press/Titan UK)
Mexican Gothic by Silvia Moreno-Garcia (Del Rey US/Jo Fletcher Books UK)
The Midnight Bargain by C. L. Polk (Erewhon Books US/Orbit UK)

Need to remember to push The Midnight Bargain ahead on my reading queue I guess...

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Sometimes I think Longmont Potion Castle got his ideas for stupid names from Dune

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Alhazred posted:

Reading Dune and I still can't get over the name of the chosen one. Like you got people named Pardot Kynes, Thufir Hawat, Vladimir Harkonnen, Glossu Rabban Harkonnen, Gurney Halleck and....Paul.

... Vladimir is not really any less usual than Paul, though, just from a different culture?

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Alhazred posted:

Reading Dune and I still can't get over the name of the chosen one. Like you got people named Pardot Kynes, Thufir Hawat, Vladimir Harkonnen, Glossu Rabban Harkonnen, Gurney Halleck and....Paul.

Geoff. Geoff the Fremen.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Don't forget Jessica.

buffalo all day
Mar 13, 2019

Strom Cuzewon posted:

Geoff. Geoff the Fremen.

please, my father is mr. fremen, i'm just geoff

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

I know at least 3 Thufirs

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

thotsky posted:

Barrayar is definitely better than Shards.

Presumably this is because Barrayar wasn't a star trek fic with some names switched around

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Mar 31, 2009

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fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Lunsku posted:

World Fantasy Awards were handed out last weekend:
http://www.worldfantasy.org/world-fantasy-awards%E2%84%A0-2021/

Novel shortlist and winner in bold:

Need to remember to push The Midnight Bargain ahead on my reading queue I guess...

weird winner, I haven't heard anything about it that indicates it's better than Piranesi and people seem much more excited about the Big Book of Modern Fantasy win

A Proper Uppercut
Sep 30, 2008

fez_machine posted:

weird winner, I haven't heard anything about it that indicates it's better than Piranesi and people seem much more excited about the Big Book of Modern Fantasy win

Hadn't heard about that fantasy anthology before. Anyone checked it out?

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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anilEhilated posted:

Don't forget Jessica.

And the Reverend Mother, whose middle name is Helen. Plus the names with just a slightly different spelling - Piter and so on. In a lot of editions there's a point where a proofreader automatically altered "Jamis" to "James".

Loucks
May 21, 2007

It's incwedibwe easy to suck my own dick.

fez_machine posted:

weird winner, I haven't heard anything about it that indicates it's better than Piranesi and people seem much more excited about the Big Book of Modern Fantasy win

I haven’t heard of any of the other books on the list, but I was a little disappointed in Piranesi. Admittedly that might be a function of being a huge fan of Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell and expecting something at least equal to that effort after all those years of waiting.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
It wasn’t really all these years of waiting, though, it was her suffering ill health for years and then only recently beginning to write again.

Loucks
May 21, 2007

It's incwedibwe easy to suck my own dick.

Oh. I honestly didn’t know that. Good on her for getting back to it then. I definitely enjoyed Piranesi, just had expected something far more substantial because I had no idea she had any issues.

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan
Vance's Cudgel/Dying Earth is fantastic, and seems incredibly contemporary, I was shocked to find it dated back to the 50's.

Finally reading the only virgin trilogy left from thread fave JK Parker, the Scavenger series, and it's frigging awesome and and a radical step forward. First novel reminds me a lot of the Wolfe The Book of the New Sun, second book is like one of those Wolfe or Vance books where they design a new society wholesale, plus the New Sun stuff continued from the first book and a little Parker blacksmithing thrown in for luck. Just started #3, so really curious where this goes.

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



picnics are good actually

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Nomnom Cookie posted:

picnics are good actually

Just make sure to clean up after yourself.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Jedit posted:

And the Reverend Mother, whose middle name is Helen. Plus the names with just a slightly different spelling - Piter and so on. In a lot of editions there's a point where a proofreader automatically altered "Jamis" to "James".

I've always been curious about Piter de Vries -- was it some sort of backhanded reference to Peter de Vries, or did Herbert just like the way the name sounded?

Ror
Oct 21, 2010

😸Everything's 🗞️ purrfect!💯🤟


Selachian posted:

I've always been curious about Piter de Vries -- was it some sort of backhanded reference to Peter de Vries, or did Herbert just like the way the name sounded?

I’ve seen a couple people question this before and I don’t think there was ever any indication that he was referencing anyone. The best answer seems to be that it’s just a relatively common Dutch name, there’s actually another famous Peter de Vries who was a journalist that got shot this year.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993
Book 3 of Planetfall completed. Another main character, another history of mental health problems, severe trauma, etc. In this case, post-partum depression.

10% in to the fourth (and final?) one and the main character also has a massively traumatic history, as expected

These books are very good if you don't mind damaged characters processing internal problems, while legitimately terrible things happen to and around them.

The first one was the weakest so far, kind of an abruptly ended Rama. #2 was a futuristic detective story, #3 was a "what's actually going on this space station?" sort of mystery thriller.

Both 2 and 3 I think were much better paced than Planetfall, and while continuing to cover serious stuff, never get to the absolute horrifying depth of book #1's having the main character's hoarder house publicly exposed. Overall strong recommend for those who can stomach it.

Ben Nevis
Jan 20, 2011

fez_machine posted:

weird winner, I haven't heard anything about it that indicates it's better than Piranesi and people seem much more excited about the Big Book of Modern Fantasy win

I've read all of them except Midnight Bargain, and I'd definitely put Only Good Indians and Piranesi above Trouble the Saints. I'd need to double check my reviews, but I'm betting I put Mexican Gothic over it too. To be clear, it's good, they all are, just it's probably the bottom of the 4 of those I read.

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012



I'm looking for some fantasy that's heavily inspired by Norse mythology, or just stuff that has a similar feel. I've read The Broken Sword (which was great, and definitely the sort of thing I'm looking for) and I know LotR draws heavily from a lot of mythology and folklore of the area, but anything else? I'm sure there's obvious stuff I'm forgetting that I've read, but I'm curious if there's anything out there I've overlooked entirely. I know there's a fair amount of viking- and Norse-flavored fantasy that is quietly (or not so quietly) white supremacist, so it's hard to know what's actually good and what's just getting pushed because somebody has an agenda.

buffalo all day
Mar 13, 2019

MockingQuantum posted:

I'm looking for some fantasy that's heavily inspired by Norse mythology, or just stuff that has a similar feel. I've read The Broken Sword (which was great, and definitely the sort of thing I'm looking for) and I know LotR draws heavily from a lot of mythology and folklore of the area, but anything else? I'm sure there's obvious stuff I'm forgetting that I've read, but I'm curious if there's anything out there I've overlooked entirely. I know there's a fair amount of viking- and Norse-flavored fantasy that is quietly (or not so quietly) white supremacist, so it's hard to know what's actually good and what's just getting pushed because somebody has an agenda.

Gene Wolfe’s The Wizard Knight books? I think there are two of them but they’re sold as one now.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

MockingQuantum posted:

I'm looking for some fantasy that's heavily inspired by Norse mythology, or just stuff that has a similar feel. I've read The Broken Sword (which was great, and definitely the sort of thing I'm looking for) and I know LotR draws heavily from a lot of mythology and folklore of the area, but anything else? I'm sure there's obvious stuff I'm forgetting that I've read, but I'm curious if there's anything out there I've overlooked entirely. I know there's a fair amount of viking- and Norse-flavored fantasy that is quietly (or not so quietly) white supremacist, so it's hard to know what's actually good and what's just getting pushed because somebody has an agenda.

David Drake's Northworld: https://david-drake.com/2000/northworld/

quote:

I made what I thought was a pointless change from my normal procedure by adding a short afterward to Northworld. For years my friends Jim Baen and Mark Van Name had been urging me to do that, telling people the literary and historical background of the work. I regarded this as silly: the story was the story, good or bad; and no better or worse because it had a background in history, classical literature, or (here) Norse myth. But I did it anyway, because Jim and Mark are very smart and unquestionably have my best interests at heart.

Lo and behold, all the reviews of Northworld noted the intricate play of Norse myth in the novel. well, yes; I’d precised the Elder Edda, the Prose Edda, and the Volsungensaga before I even started to plot. But I always work that way: I’d outlined all of Procopius’ works save for The Buildings before I started plotting my first novel, The Dragon Lord. The only difference with Northworld was that I told the reviewers what I’d done; and, being told, they were able to see what I in my innocence had thought was obvious.

Live and learn. I frequently write explanatory essays now. I’m extremely proud of the three Northworld books (Northworld, Vengeance, and Justice; reprinted in one volume as The Northworld Trilogy by Baen Books). They aren’t gentle works, because they catch the feel of a world of ice and fire; but they’re some of my best writing. The viewpoint character, Nils Hansen, is a highly emotional man who doesn’t let emotion or anything else get in the way of what he sees as his job. I found it easy to identify with a man like that.

Esposito
Apr 5, 2003

Sic transit gloria. Maybe we'll meet again someday, when the fighting stops.

MockingQuantum posted:

I'm looking for some fantasy that's heavily inspired by Norse mythology, or just stuff that has a similar feel. I've read The Broken Sword (which was great, and definitely the sort of thing I'm looking for) and I know LotR draws heavily from a lot of mythology and folklore of the area, but anything else? I'm sure there's obvious stuff I'm forgetting that I've read, but I'm curious if there's anything out there I've overlooked entirely. I know there's a fair amount of viking- and Norse-flavored fantasy that is quietly (or not so quietly) white supremacist, so it's hard to know what's actually good and what's just getting pushed because somebody has an agenda.

I honestly don't know how it has aged but as a young adult I loved the Renshai Chronicles: https://www.goodreads.com/series/43042-renshai-chronicles
The universe is heavily Norse-inspired and and the gods take a pretty active role in the world as the series goes on.

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mrs. nicholas sarkozy
Jan 1, 2006

~let me see ya bounce that bounce that~
Is there a good replacement for the Gardner Dozois anthologies? I used to get those for my dad every year and the Best American one last year wasn't as good.

Walh Hara
May 11, 2012

MockingQuantum posted:

I'm looking for some fantasy that's heavily inspired by Norse mythology, or just stuff that has a similar feel. I've read The Broken Sword (which was great, and definitely the sort of thing I'm looking for) and I know LotR draws heavily from a lot of mythology and folklore of the area, but anything else? I'm sure there's obvious stuff I'm forgetting that I've read, but I'm curious if there's anything out there I've overlooked entirely. I know there's a fair amount of viking- and Norse-flavored fantasy that is quietly (or not so quietly) white supremacist, so it's hard to know what's actually good and what's just getting pushed because somebody has an agenda.

John Gwyne, Shadow of the Gods

pradmer
Mar 31, 2009

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MockingQuantum posted:

I'm looking for some fantasy that's heavily inspired by Norse mythology, or just stuff that has a similar feel. I've read The Broken Sword (which was great, and definitely the sort of thing I'm looking for) and I know LotR draws heavily from a lot of mythology and folklore of the area, but anything else? I'm sure there's obvious stuff I'm forgetting that I've read, but I'm curious if there's anything out there I've overlooked entirely. I know there's a fair amount of viking- and Norse-flavored fantasy that is quietly (or not so quietly) white supremacist, so it's hard to know what's actually good and what's just getting pushed because somebody has an agenda.

Been a long time since I read it but Harry Harrison's The Hammer and the Cross series is definitely Norse.

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fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

mrs. nicholas sarkozy posted:

Is there a good replacement for the Gardner Dozois anthologies? I used to get those for my dad every year and the Best American one last year wasn't as good.

The Saga Anthologies edited by Jonathan Strahan are the ones geared to be the replacement Year's Best Science Fiction anthology. Strahan is a very good anthologist in his own right, many of the original stories that appeared in his anthologies also appeared in Dozois' Best of the Years, and he had a lot of contact with Dozois. They also include a year's summation, but not unfortunately a short blurb about the author and the contents of the story before the story itself (which I understand for artistic reasons but gently caress it makes deciding which stories to read hard).

2 volumes have been released:
https://www.amazon.com.au/Years-Best-Science-Fiction-Vol/dp/1534449590/
https://www.amazon.com.au/Years-Best-Science-Fiction-Vol/dp/1534449620/

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Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

making a "best american" sci-fi anthology seems like a silly way to snub a bunch of british writers for no real reason :patriot:

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