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I'm just curious if there will be any last AM4 processors or if AMD is moving right on to DDR5
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FuturePastNow posted:I'm just curious if there will be any last AM4 processors or if AMD is moving right on to DDR5 That's what I'm waiting/hoping for. The equivalent of a 5600 or 5800 with 3D cache would be a nice capstone and feel like a decent upgrade from the 3600X I have now.
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Nov 24, 2021 06:58
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FuturePastNow posted:I'm just curious if there will be any last AM4 processors or if AMD is moving right on to DDR5 The 3D cache Zen 3 refresh is coming to AM4. Zen 4 will be AM5. Both are next year apparently (Zen 3 refresh at the start, Zen 4 in Q4)
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Nov 24, 2021 08:56
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The 3D cache Zen 3 refresh is coming to AM4. Zen 4 will be AM5. Both are next year apparently (Zen 3 refresh at the start, Zen 4 in Q4) what I want to know is what the gently caress happened to Chagall  there's no more clear-cut case of "we don't have to release this yet so you're going to keep buying the last-gen product and you're gonna like it" than Chagall. Any TR sold is worth 2-3x the margin of a Ryzen so it's absolutely worth doing even at smaller volumes, they just don't have competition so they don't bother trying. At least when (if?) it finally comes out it'll probably be vcache but there's really not a good excuse for not doing it a year ago. selling ryzens? sure, how about selling TRs at 2-3x the margin? selling epycs? well, you're selling ryzens at much lower margins, aren't you? it's the onnnneee segment where Intel doesn't have literally any viable competitor even if you squint funny, and AMD immediately stopped trying to "advance the tech" the second they didn't have to
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Nov 24, 2021 09:08
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It's high margin per unit, but it might not actually be all that profitable. How many more HEDT CPUs would they have actually sold? Is it the most efficient allocation of resources?
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Nov 24, 2021 09:17
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That 12 core CCD news is interesting. If AMD follows the current pattern, they may raise the bar for the lowest tier of CPU to 6 cores.K8.0 posted:Is it the most efficient allocation of resources?
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Nov 24, 2021 09:48
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Ryzen 6899 just to screw with people.
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Nov 24, 2021 12:00
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Paul MaudDib posted:what I want to know is what the gently caress happened to Chagall A year ago, during the heart of the pandemic, and some serious supply chain issues, while not being able to meet demand for regular desktop CPUs? During that time you say?
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Nov 24, 2021 17:54
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Not sure if I should swing for a 5900x or 5950x now while these sales are going on when I was expecting to upgrade to maybe Zen 5 later once DDR5 is more price-performance efficient. It's not like I'm seeing discounts on the first gen Zen CPUs worth anything and even 2000-series Ryzen aren't as low now as when I saw Microcenter putting them on firesale. Perhaps the better time is when the next Ryzen processors are announced? My primary CPU usage is from video encoding and some ML tasks but because it's all hobby stuff it's not a huge deal to be a tad slow either for me.
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Nov 24, 2021 18:52
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I just got a R7 5800X to replace the R7 1700 because I need more single core performance. I figure it'll last me until DDR5 is more mature and not $1000 for 32 GB while also being out of stock. Doesn't feel great to buy older stuff (I mean it's current, I just expect to see 6000 series in 6 months now that I've bought 5000), but it was relatively cheap. The R7 1700 was kind of a sidegrade to my haswell i5-4670K since the single core was about the same or worse (with OCing on both), but the extra cores have been nice.
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Nov 24, 2021 19:12
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Paul MaudDib posted:what I want to know is what the gently caress happened to Chagall
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Nov 24, 2021 19:15
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Amazon has the 5700G for $290 if anyone needs decent integrated graphics.
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Nov 24, 2021 19:23
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Antonline has the 5600X for $270, via it's ebay store. Might be an all time low? https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Ryzen-...1-127632-2357-0
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Nov 24, 2021 20:24
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Lmao 5800X is $300 at micro center https://www.microcenter.com/product/630284/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-vermeer-38ghz-8-core-am4-boxed-processor-heatsink-not-included
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Nov 24, 2021 22:10
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TTV/Nikkei Asia reporting that AMD will switch to Samsung for future 3nm parts. https://www.club386.com/tsmc-apple-first-3nm-policy-leads-to-amd-and-qualcomm-mutiny/
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Nov 25, 2021 03:44
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Neat. I didn't realize Samsung was that close to rolling out 3nm.
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Nov 25, 2021 03:53
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Rinkles posted:Neat. I didn't realize Samsung was that close to rolling out 3nm. Samsung still produces a crap ton of chip and nand.
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Nov 25, 2021 06:35
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Samsung 3nm is also supposed to be a lot closer to TSMC than previous generations of Samsung - assuming the move to GAAFET works.
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Nov 25, 2021 08:30
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Samsung knows they're the ones getting all of Taiwan's work when China inevitably reclaims it. Its just a matter of time. I honestly think it's a little foolish having so much reliance on tsmc because of this.
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Nov 25, 2021 09:03
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Samsung knows they're the ones getting all of Taiwan's work when China inevitably reclaims it. Its just a matter of time. I honestly think it's a little foolish having so much reliance on tsmc because of this. We're still looking at 2-3 years of the "great chip shortage". With apple dropping another 2 lines of CPUs it's game over for any sort of space at TSMC. I mean its still kind a dumb that only one particular company is the literal linchpin of our society, but thats another convo.
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Nov 25, 2021 09:09
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Samsung knows they're the ones getting all of Taiwan's work when China inevitably reclaims it. Its just a matter of time. I honestly think it's a little foolish having so much reliance on tsmc because of this. They're certainly putting a lot into their Arizona buildout, that's for sure
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Nov 25, 2021 09:21
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I'm currently building my first AMD rig, I've just got a Ryzen9 5900x delivered. I was planning on re-using the memory from my old system as they are all 16GB but after research I'm not too sure as it seems AMD systems are more sensitive to speeds than Intel. My Corsair sticks are DDR4-2132 and the Samsung are DDR4-2400 so I guess they are both slower. Is it worth dumping them and buying some DDR4-3200 as I don't want to be throwing away performance on a new build and re-sale on the old DIMM should be ok as they are 16GB? Or is memory speed performance a little overblown?
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Nov 25, 2021 09:51
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Anything less than 3600 is a colossal waste on a 5900
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Nov 25, 2021 09:54
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Samsung's 3nm is GAAFET whereas TSMC's will still be FinFET. It will be interesting to see how much a difference the new transistor tech makes. incoherent posted:We're still looking at 2-3 years of the "great chip shortage". With apple dropping another 2 lines of CPUs it's game over for any sort of space at TSMC. The first customer shipping chips based on TSMC's 4nm process isn't Apple: https://www.anandtech.com/show/17070/mediatek-announces-dimensity-9000
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Samsung knows they're the ones getting all of Taiwan's work when China inevitably reclaims it. Its just a matter of time. I honestly think it's a little foolish having so much reliance on tsmc because of this. China hasn’t stopped claiming it for 70 years and it hasn’t made any difference. Maybe someday it will, but I don’t buy the saber rattling or news media warmongering. Way too much for everyone to lose. But I’ll shuttup cause that’s prolly a topic for a very different forum (that I will not go to ever)
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Nov 25, 2021 09:59
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Cygni posted:China hasn’t stopped claiming it for 70 years and it hasn’t made any difference. Maybe someday it will, but I don’t buy the saber rattling or news media warmongering. Way too much for everyone to lose. The only forum with a good China thread is LAN. But yeah, I live in China and try to listen to Chinese media, the Taiwan stuff is all just for the domestic audience, getting people pumped up about something but it's not gonna happen. Imagine what would happen to China's economy, China wants to be able to fab chips that can compete with Taiwan. One way of doing that is I guess destroying all Taiwan chip fabs but lol that's not the route they're planning on and being an even bigger pariah because they attacked Taiwan would make that a million times harder. But, still, China isn't the only reason having one single small island where we make the vast majority of chips is bad. Drought, plague, asteroid, whatever.
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Rinkles posted:Neat. I didn't realize Samsung was that close to rolling out 3nm. Samsung's been doing process improvements at the same pace as TSMC (the two had a partnership around the 7nm process). Nvidia's been using Samsung for GPUs for a while now. But the thing is, Samsung has tuned everything for their own cellphone chips first and foremost, as opposed to TSMC who goes with "best for the most customers" choices. So for high-performance CPUs & GPUs they've generally not been as good a choice. We'll see if AMD is able to work with that, or if Samsung's changed their priorities.
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Shipon posted:They're certainly putting a lot into their Arizona buildout, that's for sure Samsung is also planning on building another chip plant in Texas. Not sure what it will be making at that site though.
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Nov 25, 2021 18:28
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What's with all these chip manufacturers building super water-intensive fabs in literal deserts?
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A few years ago I was trawling the chinese internet for some info on PDKs (Physical Design Kits, IANAEE but it's kinda like the description you load into your tools to target a specific process, also standard cell libraries and SRAM generators; kinda like a SDK/API/compiler but the target is TSMC 28nm or whatever). TSMC's were not shared as they were steganographically tagged (who cares) but also they had an agreement with the government and you would be prosecuted.
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vanilla slimfast posted:What's with all these chip manufacturers building super water-intensive fabs in literal deserts? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/why-do-chip-makers-keep-building-foundries-in-the-arizona-desert/ arizona already has chip fabs so there's a workforce, and the universities have programs dedicated to it solar power so they can claim they're carbon-neutral seismically stable, few natural disasters massive tax breaks from a republican government Also fabs can be designed to recycle / re-use a lot of the water in their processes. It's expensive, so maybe you don't do it as much in places that normally get plenty of rain like Taiwan (and then have problems in a drought).
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vanilla slimfast posted:What's with all these chip manufacturers building super water-intensive fabs in literal deserts? Austin isn't a desert
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Looking for an upgrade with sales this week for gaming pc since the Ryzen 2400g I got cheap is kinda the weak spot right now. Anything good on sale in the $300 range this week that would fit in an AM4 b350 board?
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Yeah I’ve got a 1080. Would like upgrading board/new case sometime soon too but probably not enough money to do all that at once.
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Nov 25, 2021 22:25
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Zerilan posted:Looking for an upgrade with sales this week for gaming pc since the Ryzen 2400g I got cheap is kinda the weak spot right now. Anything good on sale in the $300 range this week that would fit in an AM4 b350 board? NewFatMike posted:Lmao 5800X is $300 at micro center
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Nov 25, 2021 22:32
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Looks like it’s in-store only. I don’t live near any location.
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Nov 25, 2021 22:36
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Not compatible with that board right? I assumed 3600s would be cheap now, but it looks like availability is keeping the price up (way too high).
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As someone who also owns a B350, it sucks real bad that there's no official support for 5000-series CPUs FWIW I went from a 2400G to a 3100, then from there to an i5-10400. I could have gone with a 3600 but I wanted to diversify and the Intel offering was cheap at the time
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AMD does not support 5000 series parts on B350 boards, although a few board vendors have hacked together their own beta BIOS to make it work (Asrock for example). Zerilan, I would search your exact board model to look up the CPU support list, and check if there is a beta bios available. If not, the top CPU the board will support is likely a Zen 2 part (Ryzen 3000 series) of some kind, which are no longer in production and likely wont have any real "sales" since they are all sold by third party sellers at this point and not the big retailers. That said, it looks like you can pick up a 3700x that would be a very very substantial upgrade for around $260 on ebay.
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