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It's just one of those cases where the poetic/dramatic effect outweighed the slight danger of lore implications. They could have had Moiraine be the one to say "like the raging sun" instead of Logain and been perfectly fine on the lore/book end. But having Logain mirror Moiraine's previous words works much better from the dramatic end, and it shows that Logain loses faith that he is the Dragon Reborn even before being gentled. I'm happy with the balance they've struck here.
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yeah I had no problems with it until I saw the tweet. It just made me go "huh"? its emotionally effective (after 3 watches even i get a lil mishty) and i assume she was just trying to heal Lan and the residual effect got them all. I think I posted this earlier but I was definitely expecting balefire (without thinking about how bold a move BFing Logain would be...) a nice fakeout
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Gully Foyle posted:It's just one of those cases where the poetic/dramatic effect outweighed the slight danger of lore implications. They could have had Moiraine be the one to say "like the raging sun" instead of Logain and been perfectly fine on the lore/book end. But having Logain mirror Moiraine's previous words works much better from the dramatic end, and it shows that Logain loses faith that he is the Dragon Reborn even before being gentled. For me I've always been taking this as another story, as it should be so I don't care about any changes. I like talking about them though! I'm just incredibly grateful after 3 decades I'm seeing my favorite series on tv. e: the opening of this episode should've been ep 1s, prove me wrong
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Barreft posted:
Yeah, for me it's just YAY! I get to start over again and experience a new version of this story for the first time! It makes me understand why people like fanfiction. There are a fair number of favorite stories of mine that I wouldn't at all mind a team of professional writers tackling for a second draft. Barreft posted:
Daniel Green said the same thing on youtube but I disagree, it would have confused the audience too much and audiences would've spent the whole episode waiting for Logain to show up again.
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I dunno, it would've made ppl go 'wait thats the loving dragon reborn?!' and made the original 5 guessing even more wild in the first 3 episodes. Better than the dumb extra who I forget already but will probably be Owyn which I hope it is.
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I posted yesterday in spoilers, I'm enjoying the show but what I'm bothered by is they are doing the end book philosophical dilemmas in season 1. Why does Rand not kill himself or go full dark side? He decides the wheel spits people out to try again. Thom has expressed this opinion, Logain has. They are what final form Rand believes. Moiraine has expressed the contrary and new darkfriend character has expressed the Ishamael opinion of eventually the dark one must win. These are the core ideas of the series, we got them all in early season 1. I'm expecting the show to be successful. I like it, it seems to be liked generally. I kind of feel like foregrounding those ideas hurts the later seasons which I'm assuming they get to based on popularity. Anecdotal experience, this isn't American Gods which reviewed well but no one watched. We talked about wheel of time in our management meeting this morning. If we talk about shows in those its The Boys or squid games popular. I feel they should be doing Gode who's basically a rich guy who's a darkfriend for deals! Or Hake the murderous innkeeper. The stakes are relatively low but its fun. A whole family isn't getting wiped and its very sinister? If you start at 11 where do you go to?? Goofballs fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Nov 27, 2021 |
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Nov 27, 2021 05:21
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Was I being optimistic or naïve that they used spinning earthfire against the Dragon/Ghealdan army? At least when I read Dumai's Wells thats how I envisioned it
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It's pretty wild that people seem to think Logain is incapable of speaking in metaphor when he sees a truly awesome feat of channeling. It makes absolute sense that when he sees her heal an entire room of people while power physically explodes around her and her hair is whipping about, he thinks back to what Moirainne had just told him three minutes prior.
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Nov 27, 2021 07:14
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Never underestimate a goon's ability to take things literally and be pedantic
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the fight choreography and tv scaled battles are the only things sticking out poorly so far i just hope they'll be able to do justice to dumai's wells
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Nov 27, 2021 07:51
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GOT didn't actually have huge on screen battles until the end of season 2. It was a whole running joke until Blackwater
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Goofballs posted:I feel they should be doing Gode who's basically a rich guy who's a darkfriend for deals! Or Hake the murderous innkeeper. The stakes are relatively low but its fun. A whole family isn't getting wiped and its very sinister? If you start at 11 where do you go to?? we're still at a point where trollocs and fades are menacing vs the end of the books where they were dealing with a lot of worse poo poo
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I know the discussion of what we want to see adapted or cut was a few days ago. I'm on Path of Daggers, I hope they completely cut Galina's entire capture by the Shaido. Seriously, just let her die in Dumais Wells instead
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I fully expect them to find a way to cut the entirety of CoT down into a single episode and it'll somehow work.
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Gully Foyle posted:It's just one of those cases where the poetic/dramatic effect outweighed the slight danger of lore implications. They could have had Moiraine be the one to say "like the raging sun" instead of Logain and been perfectly fine on the lore/book end. But having Logain mirror Moiraine's previous words works much better from the dramatic end, and it shows that Logain loses faith that he is the Dragon Reborn even before being gentled. I'm pretty sure Logain wasn't shielded when Nynaeve did her thing, either. He could have gone "nice Healing, biyotch" and then blown them up with Earth. So he didn't just lose faith; he stopped fighting. That's significant. One thing that does worry me, though, is them casting an older man as Logain. It raises the possibility that they'll combine Logain and Mazrim Taim into one character, which to my mind would be fairly disastrous.
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The Glumslinger posted:GOT didn't actually have huge on screen battles until the end of season 2. It was a whole running joke until Blackwater And they weren't trying to film in the covid era.
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Jedit posted:One thing that does worry me, though, is them casting an older man as Logain. It raises the possibility that they'll combine Logain and Mazrim Taim into one character, which to my mind would be fairly disastrous. How would that even work? The whole Black Tower plotline needs a good guy there to balance out Taim
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Nov 27, 2021 11:10
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If they don’t cast him as Galad or Gawn maybe Timothee Chalamet can be Eben Hopwil. And I insist on having Patrick Stewart as Damer Flinn.
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I always thought Patrick Stewart would have been a great Thom. Not that I'm complaining, Alexandre Willaume's fabulous
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Jedit posted:
I can’t see that happening - it just wouldn’t make any kind of sense to do that. Twin being older is key because he has apparently to Rand kept the madness at bay - Logain clearly hasn’t
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Rarity posted:I always thought Patrick Stewart would have been a great Thom. Not that I'm complaining, Alexandre Willaume's fabulous yeah definitely, if the series had been made some years earlier connery's dead, and would have been too old for gareth bryne, but perhaps sean bean would be fitting e: has agelmar jagad been cast yet?
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ChubbyChecker posted:e: has agelmar jagad been cast yet? ken watanabe would be good for that
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shrike82 posted:ken watanabe would be good for that 
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i don't remember if it was in this or the tv thread where someone said it, but lan is definitely too cheerful and normal i think that he laughs like two times in the books
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ChubbyChecker posted:yeah definitely, if the series had been made some years earlier Sean Bean would be a perfect Bryne.
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For Sean Bean they need to find a character who dies soon and abruptly.
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withak posted:For Sean Bean they need to find a character who dies soon and abruptly. Make him one of the Forsaken. He'd be a good Rahvin Or Be'lal 
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ChubbyChecker posted:i don't remember if it was in this or the tv thread where someone said it, but lan is definitely too cheerful and normal i think it's inherently a bit difficult to sell a character basically acting like a wooden block for the episode equivalent of multiple books because it's tougher to get across a lot of the specifics of his mood when you don't have internal dialogue or the benefit of the prequel book for context, so i can understand then going more specifically for stoic and a bit reserved compared to the absolute brick wall of book lan
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Book Lan would be the worst TV character ever.
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How old is Galad supposed to be? he's a good bit older than Elayne and Gawn. I was just thinking Stephen Amell would be good for the role but maybe a bit too old now.
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Yea, as much as I love book Lan, he would absolutely not work on screen. He would just be a big buff dude scowling at everything and then occasionally talking to Nyneave about how she gives him the warm fuzzies, or to Rand about how it's ok to suicide sometimes if it gets poo poo done. He's not very compelling visually. Seeing him laughing is jarring, but I think he's working in the adaption. He's still stoic and very capable of loving people up, but he's also a person, and not just PTSD personified.The Lord Bude posted:How old is Galad supposed to be? he's a good bit older than Elayne and Gawn. I was just thinking Stephen Amell would be good for the role but maybe a bit too old now. According to the Wiki, he's 6 years older than Gawyn, who is about 3-4 years older than Elayne. I'm not sure how old Elayne is in the books, but guessing she's about 17-18 that would make Galad about 27-28. Soysaucebeast fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Nov 27, 2021 |
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Hexel posted:Book Lan would be the worst TV character ever. nah, toshiro mifune has played tons of book lan type of characters for great effect
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, links are fine , but let's not post quotes. Stress none of us need. Alrighty
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Goofballs posted:
Yeah that is a problem with the show. Notes, nervousness about retaining audience, lack of TV exp, whatever there is a severe lack of trust in ppl being attached to the show. Hope that improves. But I don't particularly mind the talk about trying again or the Darkfriend talking about the Wheel being unfair. It's not so bad when a show hits on a particular motif over and over. It would be if they dropped it tho.
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Stephen Amell's 40, he's way too old for Galad Anyone missing Book Lan can be reassured that we'll definitely see Daniel Henney going full Book Lan when Moiraine dies
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Devorum posted:It's pretty wild that people seem to think Logain is incapable of speaking in metaphor when he sees a truly awesome feat of channeling. i didn't forget about the line, or forget what simile is. it was weird that she specifically denoted it was the shockwave and debris only. that's it!!! i didn't even think twice about it until I saw that
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, links are fine , but let's not post quotes. Stress none of us need. Put them in spoilers, I'm not clicking over to reddit
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Nov 27, 2021 15:44
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the people who want to read reddit should go to reddit to read reddit
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ChubbyChecker posted:the people who want to read reddit should go to reddit to read reddit I think I could live perfectly happily never hearing again about the doings of the random 2000 person subreddit of racist wot fans.
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Goofballs posted:I feel they should be doing Gode who's basically a rich guy who's a darkfriend for deals! Or Hake the murderous innkeeper. The stakes are relatively low but its fun. A whole family isn't getting wiped and its very sinister? If you start at 11 where do you go to?? Yeah man, its weird that they didn't do a murderous innkeeper in episode 3 that rand and mat encounter
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