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CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


And if you shop at Canadian Tire a lot I have it under good (second-hand) authority that the mastercraft cordless stuff is roughly equivalent to the Ryobi stuff for lower-end product.

Like, I know that lots of Mastercraft stuff isn't great, but the guy who I know who buys their poo poo occasionally also owns Festool stuff professionally so :shrug:

Home Depot has almost perpetual combo deals where for like $150 you can get a drill, a driver, two batteries, a charger, and a "free bonus tool!" like a light reciprocating saw or a 3" metal cutoff tool. There are even bigger packages if you want to get more stuff. And they've been running decent deals this week, at least in my area (just not on the poo poo I want).

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Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



lil poopendorfer posted:

yessir, p. 158 of 'the very efficient carpenter'


I cant imagine it either but hey thats why he's the greatest. also ive never heard it called a birdsbeak but i love it and am gonna start

Birdsmouth, birdsbeak, yeah. Thanks for putting my mind at ease that's what it was rigged for. shudders No idea what the extended table, extended shaft and dado set run, but it's surely more than the cost of one of those wormdrive beasts. Shakes head.

wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

How many Championships?
There was some talk about Skil cordless tools. Amazon has a bunch on sale right now: https://smile.amazon.com/deal/fe0134c3?showVariations=true&ref=dlx_cyber_gd_dcl_img_6_fe0134c3_mw_sl7_d0

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum
Thanks everyone. I thought I'd bought that Stihl (sp?) set last night but I couldn't find an email receipt for it, then I saw all of the newer posts. A baby gate arrived today so I went to home Depot and got a DeWalt drill, impact driver and 2 batteries set. After figuring out how to use it, my wife said it's much better (she's the handy one) thelan the 4 AA's drill and screwdriver that she's had for years. We're happy.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


redreader posted:

Thanks everyone. I thought I'd bought that Stihl (sp?) set last night but I couldn't find an email receipt for it, then I saw all of the newer posts. A baby gate arrived today so I went to home Depot and got a DeWalt drill, impact driver and 2 batteries set. After figuring out how to use it, my wife said it's much better (she's the handy one) thelan the 4 AA's drill and screwdriver that she's had for years. We're happy.

Welcome to team yellow 💛

Uncle Enzo
Apr 28, 2008

I always wanted to be a Wizard

redreader posted:

Thanks everyone. I thought I'd bought that Stihl (sp?) set last night but I couldn't find an email receipt for it, then I saw all of the newer posts. A baby gate arrived today so I went to home Depot and got a DeWalt drill, impact driver and 2 batteries set. After figuring out how to use it, my wife said it's much better (she's the handy one) thelan the 4 AA's drill and screwdriver that she's had for years. We're happy.


The Bumblebee Brand strikes again!

Modern cordless tools are some good poo poo. You aren't going to regret upgrading.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Uncle Enzo posted:

Modern cordless tools are some good poo poo.
Old man piling on. The 2021 version of anything reputable is better than the best available 20 years ago as far as power, design, battery life, etc. Some of the older high end stuff may have been built better, but it doesn't matter because the batteries have a lifetime and they're the expensive part anyway. You're going to buy into a new battery system every 15/20 years.

deimos
Nov 30, 2006

Forget it man this bat is whack, it's got poobrain!

stealie72 posted:

Old man piling on. The 2021 version of anything reputable is better than the best available 20 years ago as far as power, design, battery life, etc. Some of the older high end stuff may have been built better, but it doesn't matter because the batteries have a lifetime and they're the expensive part anyway. You're going to buy into a new battery system every 15/20 years.

Ryobi has had the One system since 1996. So there's that option.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

deimos posted:

Ryobi has had the One system since 1996. So there's that option.
Thats actually the option I took when my Dewalt batteries were all dying largely because Ryobi keeps upgrading batteries in the same form factor.

HolHorsejob
Mar 14, 2020

Portrait of Cheems II of Spain by Jabona Neftman, olo pint on fird
Can anyone recommend a jigsaw for weekend woodworking? I do all of my work in proximity to an outlet/extension cord and I haven't Bought Into A Battery System yet (coasting off a cordless porter-cable drill i was given 6 years ago), so unless it comes with serious downsides, I'd prefer to go corded.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Wait, so if I buy an old blue Ryobi tool at a garage sale it will be compatible with my brand new batteries?

deimos
Nov 30, 2006

Forget it man this bat is whack, it's got poobrain!

CommonShore posted:

Wait, so if I buy an old blue Ryobi tool at a garage sale it will be compatible with my brand new batteries?

I would only recommend that for tools that don't peak. I killed a lithium battery when I stalled a hammer drill... Twice.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


deimos posted:

I would only recommend that for tools that don't peak. I killed a lithium battery when I stalled a hammer drill... Twice.

I'll keep in mind. What are some tools that would be safe, then?

wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

How many Championships?

redreader posted:

Thanks everyone. I thought I'd bought that Stihl (sp?) set last night but I couldn't find an email receipt for it, then I saw all of the newer posts. A baby gate arrived today so I went to home Depot and got a DeWalt drill, impact driver and 2 batteries set. After figuring out how to use it, my wife said it's much better (she's the handy one) thelan the 4 AA's drill and screwdriver that she's had for years. We're happy.

Team Yellow FTW!

I added a 4ah, 6ah, 6ah Flexvolt, and a multi tool to my yellow collection. Also, my 9ah Flexvolt decided to start charging again, although it stopped at 2 bars.

Rufio
Feb 6, 2003

I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!
I thought older Ryobis had the same style batteries of the old DeWalt 20v and have since changed. Am I crazy?

deimos
Nov 30, 2006

Forget it man this bat is whack, it's got poobrain!

CommonShore posted:

I'll keep in mind. What are some tools that would be safe, then?

Impact drivers may be safe. Not sure what the older tool line looked like.

Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



HolHorsejob posted:

Can anyone recommend a jigsaw for weekend woodworking? I do all of my work in proximity to an outlet/extension cord and I haven't Bought Into A Battery System yet (coasting off a cordless porter-cable drill i was given 6 years ago), so unless it comes with serious downsides, I'd prefer to go corded.

I really couldn't recommend a cordless jigsaw, but that's me. So I've got a corded DeWalt. It needed repair, but that's often the thing about jigsaws. I had a Bosch Scintilla years ago that worked fine until the shaft just broke. And then it didn't work.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

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Sharkytm doot doo do doot do doo


Fallen Rib

HolHorsejob posted:

Can anyone recommend a jigsaw for weekend woodworking? I do all of my work in proximity to an outlet/extension cord and I haven't Bought Into A Battery System yet (coasting off a cordless porter-cable drill i was given 6 years ago), so unless it comes with serious downsides, I'd prefer to go corded.

Bosch

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007

Sweet 'N Sour
Can't
Melt
Steel Beams
Jumping in at the end of battery chat: maybe a decade ago I bought a cheap black & decker cordless drill when I lives in an apartment, and I hated it. The battery was always dead when I wanted it so first thing was to always charge it when I needed it. 7 years ago I moved into a house but I was still renting, so I stupidly bought just about the cheapest corded drill I could find. It was powerful, but probably too powerful and no clutch, so I cammed out a lot of screws.

Earlier this year I bought the house and so ended up on team Ryobi. Because of this thread I learned stuff, like for example that old terrible drill of mine was nickel metal hydride, not lithium ion like all the new stuff. Lithium ion is basically magic if you've ever had a bad experience with previous stuff. If I just needed a drill for occasional use in a rental or something, a $40 lithium ion black & decker would probably be fine.

Uncle Enzo
Apr 28, 2008

I always wanted to be a Wizard

HolHorsejob posted:

Can anyone recommend a jigsaw for weekend woodworking? I do all of my work in proximity to an outlet/extension cord and I haven't Bought Into A Battery System yet (coasting off a cordless porter-cable drill i was given 6 years ago), so unless it comes with serious downsides, I'd prefer to go corded.

Counterpoint: Take the plunge (that's 40% of what that tool normally costs, and less than the corded equivalent)

Pair it with this kit and find yourself set up with a cordless jigsaw, drill, impact driver, 2 batteries and a charger for 250$.

wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

How many Championships?

Uncle Enzo posted:

Counterpoint: Take the plunge (that's 40% of what that tool normally costs, and less than the corded equivalent)

Pair it with this kit and find yourself set up with a cordless jigsaw, drill, impact driver, 2 batteries and a charger for 250$.

I have this jigsaw and it's great. Would recommend. Jigsaw seems like a tool where the cord would often be in the way.

lil poopendorfer
Nov 13, 2014

by the sex ghost

Uncle Enzo posted:

Counterpoint: Take the plunge (that's 40% of what that tool normally costs, and less than the corded equivalent)

Pair it with this kit and find yourself set up with a cordless jigsaw, drill, impact driver, 2 batteries and a charger for 250$.

drat the DeWalt deals at HD have been really good

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


NomNomNom posted:

The only way I've managed to kill a Ryobi tool was by trying to use my drill to mix thinset. Stripped a gear.

On the other hand, I twice had a corded Ryobi hammer drill emit smoke using it to mix thinset. It seems to be no worse for wear.

Of course, it was a refurb from Direct Tools, so I figured if it dies, it dies.

Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



wandler20 posted:

I have this jigsaw and it's great. Would recommend. Jigsaw seems like a tool where the cord would often be in the way.

Actually it doesn't, as the cord is always out the back and you're always cutting forward, aren't you. A big fat battery, otoh, would seem to unbalance the tool. imho jimho.

That thing does look solid built like a truck, though.

Literally A Person
Jan 1, 1970

Smugworth Wuz Here
I like to think of jigsaws as a disposable item. They are $3 at the resale store and they always have at least three or four on the shelves at any given time. Buy $3 jigsaw, use until magic smoke or sudden death, buy $3 jigsaw, and on and on like the seasons.

HolHorsejob
Mar 14, 2020

Portrait of Cheems II of Spain by Jabona Neftman, olo pint on fird
Plenty to think about. I'm not sure whether to go with the $40 craftsman or the $90 Bosch. normally I'd go with the latter, but I see a fair case for going with the former.

I'd use it mostly for rough-cutting curves that would get polished with an oscillating spindle sander or something else, so cut quality isn't a huge issue. Are there any massive downsides to cheap jigsaws?

Meow Meow Meow
Nov 13, 2010

HolHorsejob posted:

Plenty to think about. I'm not sure whether to go with the $40 craftsman or the $90 Bosch. normally I'd go with the latter, but I see a fair case for going with the former.

I'd use it mostly for rough-cutting curves that would get polished with an oscillating spindle sander or something else, so cut quality isn't a huge issue. Are there any massive downsides to cheap jigsaws?

How thick do you plan on cutting?

I had an old black n decker I got from a yardsale and it did a good job on thinner woods, ~3/4". But when it came to thicker stuff the blade would just fall out or I would have to go laughably slow. It finally died and I bought a Bosch and it does a much better job on thicker hardwoods.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

I'm mostly sharing this because it's a funny oddity and not entirely impractical for small jobs, maybe? Circuit Specialists (who sell a lot of electronics tools) had this Power 8 thing in a recent email. Like a lot of the old workshop in one kits this is a box with a battery, handle, and tools that can be reconfigured into handheld tools or small fixed tools like a tablesaw or scrollsaw or drill press. My suspicions are that it won't be very durable and is going to be less capable than the full size tools, but for the price point I could see it being in a handyman's truck or in a small dwelling where you might want to do small jobs but don't want to have large tools.
https://www.circuitspecialists.com/power8-pro-workshop-8-in-1-power-tool-compact-workshop.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0R2lHTz_t4

If anyone actually wants one it's $299 with the POWER8 promo code through tomorrow. I'm not suggesting anyone buy it, though, there's a lot of tool sales from the major brands through the end of the year that will perform better.

HolHorsejob
Mar 14, 2020

Portrait of Cheems II of Spain by Jabona Neftman, olo pint on fird
5/4 hardwood or a 2x4 from time to time, though mostly 1/2" to 3/4" BB and 4/4 hardwood.

Meow Meow Meow
Nov 13, 2010

HolHorsejob posted:

5/4 hardwood or a 2x4 from time to time, though mostly 1/2" to 3/4" BB and 4/4 hardwood.

You'd probably be fine with anything, although the Bosch would make your life easier.

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




FISHMANPET posted:

Jumping in at the end of battery chat: maybe a decade ago I bought a cheap black & decker cordless drill when I lives in an apartment, and I hated it. The battery was always dead when I wanted it so first thing was to always charge it when I needed it. 7 years ago I moved into a house but I was still renting, so I stupidly bought just about the cheapest corded drill I could find. It was powerful, but probably too powerful and no clutch, so I cammed out a lot of screws.

Earlier this year I bought the house and so ended up on team Ryobi. Because of this thread I learned stuff, like for example that old terrible drill of mine was nickel metal hydride, not lithium ion like all the new stuff. Lithium ion is basically magic if you've ever had a bad experience with previous stuff. If I just needed a drill for occasional use in a rental or something, a $40 lithium ion black & decker would probably be fine.

Lol this is exactly my story too, save exact brands and everything. I'm gonna give my pops the old B&D and just get a Ryobi standard drill soon, just want a sale on that and a battery combo to pop up.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Ba

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Sharkytm doot doo do doot do doo


Fallen Rib

Meow Meow Meow posted:

You'd probably be fine with anything, although the Bosch would make your life easier.

Seriously. Bosch makes bomb-rear end jigsaws. I've got a 20-year old one that's amazing, and a newer one that has some awesome QoL improvements (blade clamp, specifically).

SouthShoreSamurai
Apr 28, 2009

It is a tale,
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.


Fun Shoe

sharkytm posted:

Seriously. Bosch makes bomb-rear end jigsaws. I've got a 20-year old one that's amazing, and a newer one that has some awesome QoL improvements (blade clamp, specifically).

Concur.

I got this last summer, and it is an absolute dream to use every time. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01D4R1LRG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

I came from an old Craftsman that would vibrate the poo poo out of my hand (and stock), this one is just enormously better in every way.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


HolHorsejob posted:

Plenty to think about. I'm not sure whether to go with the $40 craftsman or the $90 Bosch. normally I'd go with the latter, but I see a fair case for going with the former.

I'd use it mostly for rough-cutting curves that would get polished with an oscillating spindle sander or something else, so cut quality isn't a huge issue. Are there any massive downsides to cheap jigsaws?

sharkytm posted:

Seriously. Bosch makes bomb-rear end jigsaws. I've got a 20-year old one that's amazing, and a newer one that has some awesome QoL improvements (blade clamp, specifically).
The ~$100 jigsaw Bosch makes is made in malaysia or china or something and is just okay. Pretty good even, probably one of the better jigsaws you will get at a big box store. It should be fine.

The really awesome, probably the best jigsaw being made rn, Bosch jigsaws cost $250 and used to be made in Switzerland but are now made in Hungary I think. The JS572EK is what I have and it's awesome.

Its really confusing when manufacturers put the same name on two wildly different qualities of tools. Bosch makes good jigsaws, but not all jigsaws bosch makes are outstanding.

Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

The ~$100 jigsaw Bosch makes is made in malaysia or china or something and is just okay. Pretty good even, probably one of the better jigsaws you will get at a big box store. It should be fine.

The really awesome, probably the best jigsaw being made rn, Bosch jigsaws cost $250 and used to be made in Switzerland but are now made in Hungary I think. The JS572EK is what I have and it's awesome.

Its really confusing when manufacturers put the same name on two wildly different qualities of tools. Bosch makes good jigsaws, but not all jigsaws bosch makes are outstanding.

Scintilla. And those are not perfect. I had bad luck with two of those, a barrel handle, and D handle poo poo the bed later.

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

I really like my Metabo. The Bosch Pro ones were getting a bit pricey and the green range felt a bit poo poo in the shop. The Metabo has a nice cast base and has been accurate and easy to use.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Hot glue everything with this direct tools outlet ryobi hot glue gun which is 30% off (it's $20.99, tool only, factory blemished, free shipping with DTFOCYBERMONDAY code):
https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Products/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE+-Dual-Temperature-Glue-Gun/p/P307

Most of their stuff is 30% off today but I specifically use that model of ryobi got glue gun pretty often. It's nice to use with the smaller batteries unlike something more power hungry like the reciprocating saw.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


I'm being given an opportunity to buy a used Bosch compound miter saw ("idk 10 or 12 inch?") and a Bosch jobsite table saw with stand which is apparently a bit of a fixer upper and missing a few parts which I should be able to order.

Re: the jobsite/table saw, I mostly use this stuff for woodworking (as opposed to carpentry) so I want something that's square and accurate for repeated cuts, especially ripping. (I do sheet good breakdowns with a circ saw). Are these Bosch products decent for that role? Right now in either slot I have janky stuff that I got from my in-laws for free.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Speaking of compound miter saws, is there a good setup guide? I picked up a Hitachi 12" a couple of years ago. It's pretty good out of the box, but I'd like to really dial it in before I do any more finish carpentry work.

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Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


I have cordless dewalt 20v drill/driver/lots of batteries at my shop, but I want some basic tools at home too. Obviously sticking in the dewalt ecosystem would be nice to have more batteries, but ryobi ONE+ 18v stuff is so insanely cheap I can get drill/driver/sawzall/circ saw/OMT/flashlight and 2 batteries for like $50 more than a dewalt drill/driver/battery only.

For occasional home use are all of the above ryobi things basically fine? Is there a better combo deal?

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