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Was Jolyne in Gucci a sequel in the new universe or a weird prequel or is it in limbo
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Dec 6, 2021 00:45
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I can't wait to go through all this times ten in the anime thread in a few months
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Dec 6, 2021 00:46
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:I can't wait to go through all this times ten in the anime thread in a few months A whole new generation of people to be disappointed!
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Dec 6, 2021 00:49
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Two Tone Shoes posted:Yeah but the sum of the character that we grow to enjoy and like no longer exists. Also she's still with Anasui so it's definitely a bad end. While Annasui is definitely problematic, I view him as someone terrible who was still somehow redeemable through his exposure to Jolyne. What started as insane obsession, from my point of view, turned into actual honest admiration of her heroic qualities and a desire to do good like her.
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Dec 6, 2021 00:52
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Having re-read MiH last week, I can concur with that. I still think Anasui is creepy and off-putting, but him being willing to sacrifice himself or, earlier still, give up his life just so long as FF puppeted his body to remove Jotaro's disc before it was destroyed, does seem to show that he was becoming a better person. Somewhat.
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Dec 6, 2021 01:04
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a whole lotta people itt conflating an ending that makes them feel good with a good ending
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Dec 6, 2021 01:20
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Reading Stone Ocean again and it’s always cool when Jolyne stitches herself up with Stone Free during a fight can’t wait to see that animated.
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Dec 6, 2021 01:22
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Paper Lion posted:a whole lotta people itt conflating an ending that makes them feel good with a good ending nah
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Dec 6, 2021 01:23
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Paper Lion posted:a whole lotta people itt conflating an ending that makes them feel good with a good ending  ing at
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Dec 6, 2021 01:26
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Personally I don't like it because it has the same impact as "It was all just a dream..." Like you could change the ending to Jolyne waking up and realizing she dreamed all of parts 1-6 and none of it actually happened, but now she and her family can live free of worry about DIO etc. because they never existed anymore, and it has the same impact. Wouldn't that change basically make it a dream for real, though? Like, straight up Wizard of Oz style. SKULL.GIF posted:I think the simpler theory is that Araki isn't particularly good at endings. He writes adventures, not endings. As a storyteller, Araki tends to have a heavy focus on thematic continuity and much less focus on narrative continuity.
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Dec 6, 2021 01:38
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Schwarzwald posted:As a storyteller, Araki tends to have a heavy focus on thematic continuity and much less focus on narrative continuity. Which is kind of odd since the endings that focus on the narrative and character payoffs are all cool as hell (parts 1, 2, 3, + 7) but whenever he tries to go for a more thematic ending it sucks (5, 6 and apparently 8). Part 4 is the only one that kind of pulls off both I think, maybe because the theme is pretty simple as opposed to boring metaphors for Fate. Also count me in the camp of thinking part 6's ending is kind of bad. It doesn't matter what Araki intended, it turned out unsatisfying and hollow. I don't give a gently caress about Irene. Nephthys fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Dec 6, 2021 |
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Dec 6, 2021 01:58
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I'm not sure silver chariot being really weird is thematic but otherwise I agree.
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Dec 6, 2021 02:03
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Nephthys posted:Which is kind of odd since the endings that focus on the narrative and character payoffs are all cool as hell (parts 1, 2, 3, + 7) but whenever he tries to go for a more thematic ending it sucks (5, 6 and apparently 8). Part 4 is the only one that kind of pulls off both I think, maybe because the theme is pretty simple as opposed to boring metaphors for Fate. 7 is hella thematic.
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Dec 6, 2021 02:24
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All the endings own.
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Dec 6, 2021 02:24
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NyaNyaMeister posted:yeah, the whole debate about his race/ethnicity. He’s Sicilian Italian if I recall correctly. The residents tend to have darker skin in that part of the country.
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Dec 6, 2021 02:47
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Martman posted:
Jolyne was also never attracted to him when he was a creepy murderer. It’s also likely that Annakiss is a better person then his original.
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Dec 6, 2021 02:49
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Annasui's presence in the story is redeemed by two moments: "WHERE THE gently caress IS MICKEY" and Jolyne beaning an alligator with the ring he gave her.
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Dec 6, 2021 03:01
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Martman posted:Well anyway, I agree it's extremely unclear, so I would focus on the few things we are definitely given. Like, I don't think Irene is necessarily a completely different person from Jolyne. I think whatever has been changed in this universe has resulted in her not being named in a way that follows the JoJo rules, and that seems meaningful. this is basically exactly what i land on. the (not nearly fleshed out enough) implication in my head is that jolyne (and therefore all joestars?) got to travel and meet their friends. poo poo, almost the only things we're shown about the new universe are everyone meeting up together in almost exactly the same place in a "fate made this happen immediate" quick kind of way, jolyne no longer has to Be A Jojo in the manga protagonist way all of them had to be before, and that irene actually talks to her dad lmao. we don't get any of that because it wouldn't and couldn't be a jojos bizarre adventure, but it just makes me imagine all the jojos having non-absentee/dead parents and poo poo. jotaro not basically working a second job for the speedwagon foundation and jolyne getting to meet uncle kakyoin and polnareff. like yeah you have to put at least a little assembly and internal fanfic legwork in to get the best out of part 6 ending i feel, and yes i absolutely believe it could have benefitted from just a crumb more detail to really sell it while leaving things vague still, but even w that bare stuff that's in there it really does read to me as a happy ending for not just jolyne and them, but every protag we've seen suffer a grisly fate all the way back to jonathan. it rules a lot imo even if it took a bit of discussion and a reread for me to get there.
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Dec 6, 2021 03:14
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Nephthys posted:Which is kind of odd since the endings that focus on the narrative and character payoffs are all cool as hell (parts 1, 2, 3, + 7) but whenever he tries to go for a more thematic ending it sucks (5, 6 and apparently 8). Part 4 is the only one that kind of pulls off both I think, maybe because the theme is pretty simple as opposed to boring metaphors for Fate. Confirmation bias, confirmation bias, confirmation bias. Augus fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Dec 6, 2021 |
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Dec 6, 2021 03:22
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:There’s nothing that suggests the Joestars didn’t go on some form of their adventures in the new universe, just that Irene (and I guess probably Qtaro) didn’t. Pucci doesn’t exist in that world but I don’t know why people are assuming DIO didn’t.
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Dec 6, 2021 04:44
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If Pucci doesn't exist, that could potentially impact DIO in a different way and lead to a different version of Stardust Crusaders.
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Dec 6, 2021 05:37
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When does Jolyne spoil the Sixth Sense? Was that cut out?
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Dec 6, 2021 06:01
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That's in jail house lock
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Dec 6, 2021 06:04
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wtf this mofo has four balls
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Dec 6, 2021 06:38
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Craziest poo poo I’ve ever heard
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Dec 6, 2021 07:03
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MonsterEnvy posted:He’s Sicilian Italian if I recall correctly. The residents tend to have darker skin in that part of the country. yet many still insist that he is black. which goes against the plot itself, specifically the time when he contracted that private dick who ended up being a KKK member and lynched Pucci's sister for getting together with a race-mixer (because the woman that stole Weather Report at birth was in a relationship with a black man so the dick assumed that Weather Report, despite white-passing, was a mix).
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Dec 6, 2021 12:54
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It is conceivable that an extremely racist man could still do business with a Black man, and only be driven to commit a lynching because he believed he'd uncovered a case of miscegenation. It would be pretty weird though for the racism to go completely unmentioned or unnoticed in their initial interaction though. He even comments that Pucci is from a "nice family" and seems pretty friendly to him. Also not really relevant, but, they lynch Weather Control, not the sister.
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Dec 6, 2021 13:46
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Martman posted:Also not really relevant, but, they lynch Weather Control, not the sister. oops, that is true. the girl just throws herself off a cliff into a river and drowns, thinking Weather is dead.
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Dec 6, 2021 15:19
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sbr was good except the world diego. that was lame
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Dec 7, 2021 08:34
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The World Diego was good if only because Erina finally got her revenge six parts later.
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Dec 7, 2021 08:47
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The World was loving great, a neat final attack and just a very funny "battle" Also it has one of my favorite visual gags where at one part there are arrows pointing to both Johnny and Dio. For a long time. No matter how close to the viewer they are/ Vookatos fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Dec 7, 2021 |
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Dec 7, 2021 09:35
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https://twitter.com/StickerTricker/status/1467780041534840834
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Dec 7, 2021 21:33
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It's not dark though, that's just Regular Determination Would be weird to reference Johnny's thing before he's even had his part anyway, none of the JoJos have that 'would actually kill a baby' thing going either
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Dec 7, 2021 21:55
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multijoe posted:It's not dark though, that's just Regular Determination They definitely gave it to Jonathan in the first opening of season 1 when he's running up the stairs
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Dec 7, 2021 22:09
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They gave it to Yukako in part 4, when Koichi tried to use his stand on her she she just totally ignored it.
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Dec 7, 2021 22:33
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Yukako would absolutely kill a baby.
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Dec 7, 2021 22:41
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Schwarzwald posted:Yukako would absolutely kill a baby. This
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Dec 7, 2021 22:41
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Jolyne had the flames in her eyes at that part in the manga too
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Dec 7, 2021 22:44
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that's just what happens when that hot cheetos craving hits
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Dec 7, 2021 23:51
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Schwarzwald posted:Yukako would absolutely kill a baby. koichi would admire her willingness to kill a baby and fall in love with her because of it
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