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Barreft posted:uh. no? you’ve understood the joke perfectly
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Johnny Joestar posted:of course, the answer to 'does being bonded to a straight woman who likes men make you like men even if you weren't into them before' is no, because this isn't dragonriders of pern after Stepin and Lan jokingly speculated about this topic near the end of ep 5, it did occur to me that someone could misread the episode and conclude that Stepin's fate was partially driven by apprehension about joining the throuple fortunately the show-only fans i watch with did not do this, and instead fixated on a parallel between stepin and owyn
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Dec 7, 2021 01:56
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CainFortea posted:I think the LTT prologue is going to be the cold open for episode 8. "Here's how the old dragon checked out, and here's your new dragon". Since they seem to like to bookend things. It's either this or the last scene of this season, or the last scene of episode one of the next season. It will for sure be one of those three if I was betting.
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TheBeardedCrazy posted:I remember it starting in book 3, he kills a merchant and her guards on the way to Tear because he thinks they might be darkfriends, then uses the power to pose their bodies bowing to him. It's implied he's right because there's an extra body he didn't notice before that's probably a gray man. I think it starts a little earlier than that it's just not as pronounced. How much is him realizing he's destined to die and break the world and how much is madness is kind of up in the air, as all the stories of men going mad starts out with them being mostly fine until they just aren't. And he definitely killed some darkfriends there, the hosed up part was just that he did so without any evidence and not in self defense. We also have Nynaeve trying to heal his madness and finding weird white energy protecting his mind from the black spikes she sees as the madness in his brain really late in the series. I always thought the pattern was keeping him sane enough to be able to do the things it needed without worrying about how odd he was acting, so the severit
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Dec 7, 2021 02:10
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I always felt that the white light she saw was LTT. Like direct actual communication. And she never saw it in anyone else because no other man had a true connection like that.
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Dec 7, 2021 02:15
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rand's brain, specifically, had plot armor the light all like 'hold up dude you gotta nuke the world or save it first before your mind melts'
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Dec 7, 2021 02:16
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I always thought it was the Creator much like the weird scene where it speaks to Rand earlier in the series.
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seaborgium posted:I think it starts a little earlier than that it's just not as pronounced. How much is him realizing he's destined to die and break the world and how much is madness is kind of up in the air, as all the stories of men going mad starts out with them being mostly fine until they just aren't. I always thought that light there was only because of his Dragonmount revelation after deciding not to end reality.
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Dec 7, 2021 02:53
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Regarding the descent into madness, I've been watching for this in my reread and after winning the Battle for Cairhien and all the lords swear fealty theres this: This is the first time he straight out acknowledges LTT is in his head. Up until this point he has vague notions and odd thoughts that he doesn't think are his own and spouts thousands of year old facts he shouldn't know and stuff. This is halfway through FOH and he still hasn't "talked" to LTT or had the voice talk to him yet.
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Dec 7, 2021 03:02
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Gwaihir posted:I always thought that light there was only because of his Dragonmount revelation after deciding not to end reality. At one point Semirhage mentions that male channelers hearing voices from their past life "rarely" achieve "reintegration", even if Graendal was interested in trying to fix them. That at least implies that what happens to Rand on Dragonmount isn't unprecedented.
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Dec 7, 2021 03:07
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I think it makes sense that Rand would be insane beyond the level of (largely justified) paranoia we saw from him in the books without some kind of protection given the sheer amount of saiden he channeled over the course of the series, especially between wielding Callandor and the Choeden Kal access key, and deliberately holding onto saiden as much as possible after crossing streams with Moridin. I don't remember, did Logain really exhibit much madness in the books? Taim didn't, despite channeling a long time before he became a darkfriend, but that's what happens when you retcon your own series midway through.
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Dec 7, 2021 03:21
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RC Cola posted:I keep just randomly giggling. I'm so happy this show exists. It's so good. Maybe I'm mad already. Must watch this show! Must watch it! Watch it watch it watch it watch it
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Dec 7, 2021 03:29
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We only really hear about Logain's madness once he gets PoV's, where he gets panic attacks whenever he releases the source because he's afraid once he lets it go he'll never be able to channel again. Like a lot of Rand's early mental health issues, though, it's unclear if that's because of the taint or just plain old PTSD from what he's been through.
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Which reminds me of Min talking down a guy who wanted to tear down a castle to build a Fort to protect her. Min rules. I mean, she must have been loving terrified, but no fucks given.
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Min's easily one of my favorite characters in the series. It seems like some version of the polycule is probably going to be in, but if they chose to just have Min be the love interest I'd be totally fine with that. She's the only one he spends much time with on that level anyway, and I wouldn't miss Elayne's weirdly adversarial relationship with him in particular.
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Dec 7, 2021 03:39
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Synastren posted:Must watch this show! Must watch it! Watch it watch it watch it watch it I hope LTT’s voice is, as I always picture it, basically Beavis Break it! M heh heh. Break it break it break it
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CainsDescendant posted:We only really hear about Logain's madness once he gets PoV's, where he gets panic attacks whenever he releases the source because he's afraid once he lets it go he'll never be able to channel again. Like a lot of Rand's early mental health issues, though, it's unclear if that's because of the taint or just plain old PTSD from what he's been through. They generally treat the men going mad as something that takes a while to really get bad, even for men who channel a lot. The Ashaman lose some, but they channel for a long time before it gets so bad they have to be dealt with. Even their madness isn't always dangerous, like the guy who thinks there's a Fade in every shadow,. You can live with a lot of crazy for a long time before it gets dangerous. The books were big on only LTT and the Hundred Companions went mad immediately, the rest took quite a while which either made the Breaking worse or made it possible to survive depending on what you think. Logain wasn't channeling constantly, and presumably neither was Taim so it would take quite a while before it gets too bad.
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Dec 7, 2021 04:27
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Yeah in the books it's all sorts. There's one guy who wakes up one day screaming about spiders being all over him but equally you have something like Androl's madness where he's just deathly afraid of the dark.
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presumably we'll see a few flavors of it in the show over time, given that the first scene is of a guy legit just making up someone entirely who he perceived as being the one who was actually able to channel. which is, in itself, separate entirely from rand's whole deal and also not even what was going on with logain, whose madness was him thinking he was the dragon and all the nebulous shadow voices were previous dragons guiding him along when, again, rand is wholly separate in that in how much he's connected to just lews therin, an actual dude who was the dragon before him, treating his head like free real estate and saying whatever the hell whenever he wasn't outright gibbering.
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Dec 7, 2021 04:36
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Lewis Theron's voice being in Rands head is such a huge part of the books I kind of wonder how they're going to do it on the show.
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Hollismason posted:Lewis Theron's voice being in Rands head is such a huge part of the books I kind of wonder how they're going to do it on the show. They cast someone for LTT. So i'm assuming first it will be audible voices, and then maybe having him walk around in the scene and no one else reacts to him.
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Dec 7, 2021 04:55
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Hollismason posted:Lewis Theron's voice being in Rands head is such a huge part of the books I kind of wonder how they're going to do it on the show. Maybe similar to how they did Logain’s: CGI ghost literally whispering in his ear.
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CainFortea posted:They cast someone for LTT. So i'm assuming first it will be audible voices, and then maybe having him walk around in the scene and no one else reacts to him. yeah the LTT in the extras on the breaking is literally a drawing of alexander karim they gotta gaius baltar him
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withak posted:Maybe similar to how they did Logain’s: CGI ghost literally whispering in his ear. CG's needless expense when you can just do the BSG style imaginary friend.
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Dec 7, 2021 04:58
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yeah i'm absolutely betting on them just doing 'guy nobody else reacts to' since it would be the easiest, best way to get an actual performance at times and cost less money than cgi poo poo on top of that, as well
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Dec 7, 2021 05:03
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Presenting the scenes where Rand and LTT fight over control is still going to be a mess, but I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with it.
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I think people will be fine with the Rand reveal once it's clear he's getting the poo poo end of the stick. Everyone else gets their Really Cool Thing without the weight of knowing they're going to go insane and rot alive if they don't literally end the world first.
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The animated X-Ray shorts are great (if rather annoying to find), but they don't seem to have informed whoever is making them of all the changes in the tv series. For example, they mention shawls as being the thing that mark someone as a full Aes Sedai, but in the show they don't seem to use shawls at all. If they are going to make those kinds of changes, they should really make extra sure that they do so consistently. See also, Whitecloaks not wearing cloaks, white or otherwise.
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I just rewatched the ep and one thing I really dug is that Rand's reaction to being called an Aiel seems innocent enough but for those in the know he's clearly uncomfortable and looking for the first way out to change the subject
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Nion posted:The animated X-Ray shorts are great (if rather annoying to find), but they don't seem to have informed whoever is making them of all the changes in the tv series. For example, they mention shawls as being the thing that mark someone as a full Aes Sedai, but in the show they don't seem to use shawls at all. If they are going to make those kinds of changes, they should really make extra sure that they do so consistently. See also, Whitecloaks not wearing cloaks, white or otherwise. We have yet to encounter an Aes Sedai in a situation where she would be wearing a shawl in the first place. It wasn't until well after the deposing that it beca,e common for Aes Sedai to habitually walk around in the things, and we have nothing other than a tiny scrap of trailer in a formal setting.
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seaborgium posted:And he definitely killed some darkfriends there, the hosed up part was just that he did so without any evidence and not in self defense. The number of people here who aren't thinking that the hosed up mad part is when he posed the bodies like dolls in positions of supplication is deeply disturbing. Like, you're all rushing to say "but he only thought they were Darkfriends, so he's kinda paranoid isn't he?" when he's literally acting like a serial killer.
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Rand is completely batshit in TDR, Jordan pretty clearly decides to dial down the crazy when he realises he's got a lot more books in him
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Jedit posted:The number of people here who aren't thinking that the hosed up mad part is when he posed the bodies like dolls in positions of supplication is deeply disturbing. Like, you're all rushing to say "but he only thought they were Darkfriends, so he's kinda paranoid isn't he?" when he's literally acting like a serial killer. That's ridiculous, he can easily kill more than one person at a time.
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Sinteres posted:Presenting the scenes where Rand and LTT fight over control is still going to be a mess, but I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with it. I'm going to assume that it's going to be like that painting of Jesus and the drug addict, except that they're fighting over use of their arms to channel.
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withak posted:Maybe similar to how they did Logain’s: CGI ghost literally whispering in his ear. seems the most likely outcome
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His Divine Shadow posted:That's ridiculous, he can easily kill more than one person at a time. Yeah they never talk about parallel killers anymore
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Eighties ZomCom posted:I'm going to assume that it's going to be like that painting of Jesus and the drug addict, except that they're fighting over use of their arms to channel. There’s plenty of cinematic tricks they could do to show a fight for control, with enough creativity. Look at what Scanners did. Could always have something creepy like just inexplicably swap out Josha (Rand’s actor) for the LTT actor but everyone else acts like nothing happened. Pretty sure they do that in Legion but it’s been around awhile and always lets the audience get a creepy ‘don’t they see it???’ knowledge. Goreld fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Dec 7, 2021 |
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Dec 7, 2021 15:00
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the matrix did a lot of cool things with mindfucks and dual personality too
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Last night the Romanian WoT facebook page played a clip with some never before seen images. Somebody screencapped it and DM'd it to me and there isn't much that's new however I did see 3 interesting new shots. The quality is dogshit but the first one is Rand in the Blight, second is somebody standing over an empty cradle, Tam maybe? And the third is Moiraine in the ways. If I could download a video from twitter DM I would post it but you need sketchy third party extensions for that    
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Can you spoiler this stuff? I don't really mind, but I know others do
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