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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:This Thanksgiving I learned my wife's family has some tenuous claim to William the Conquerer and Charlemagne, of all people.
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Dec 8, 2021 20:09
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My family’s claim to fame is we’re related to a signer of the Declaration of Independence.
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Dec 8, 2021 20:11
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:This Thanksgiving I learned my wife's family has some tenuous claim to William the Conquerer and Charlemagne, of all people. Unless they're the sort of people who have serious genealogical research done back through the high medieval period (i.e. they're no bullshit nobility) - I seriously, seriously doubt it. I mean, family myths are fun and all but that's pretty much what they are. Doubly so for anything connected to someone famous like Charlemagne or one of the Founding Fathers. That's the kind of thing that gets built on and expanded on and becomes family lore based off of some great-great-great-great-great-great-etc. grandparent trying to burnish the family image for some reason, and then generations of kids accepting it at face value because that's what their grandma said. It's not impossible, but for every one where it's tracible there's a dozen that aren't. My family's no different, fwiw. I've got a few cousins who think I'm an rear end in a top hat because I did the legwork and figured out that, no, that famous person is of no relation to us. And man they were NOT happy with my revelation about what the origin of the "Cherokee princess" grandma insisted her grandma told her her grandma told her we had a relation to was.
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Dec 8, 2021 20:12
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my ancestry is I'm a registered quarterhorse
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Dec 8, 2021 20:15
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Kevin DuBrow posted:Speaking of religion and Hollow Earth, a couple years back I visited a utopian commune in Florida that existed from 1894-1961. They were led by a Dr. Cyrus Teed who invented Koreshanity. A major belief of theirs was that the universe is actually a concave sphere and we on Earth are sort of on the perimeter. There were lots of scientific experiments they performed involving bridges and stuff that reminded me a lot of Flat Earth experiments, and they had to use convulted logic like that the sun we see is a reflection from light coming from the center of the universe and the real sun that heats the Earth is a giant invisible electromagnetic battery. Ah, the Koreshan unity settlement. I have this book called Weird Florida that goes into some detail. It was some contraption he called the "rectilineator" that supposedly projected a line from a beach into the ocean; they had to reconstruct the drat thing over and over until it met the ocean just where he said it would  This theory was so intriguing to Hitler that he had his scientists look into it, hoping that they could spy on the U.S. by pointing a big telescope up.Re: family lineages - My dad always told me "never go back to Greece" because apparently his grandfather - who emigrated in 1916 - was part of a family that owned a shitton of land on Mykonos. His assertion was that if I ever went back, I would be killed to end the lineage or something 
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Dec 8, 2021 20:25
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i prefer to refer to charlemagne as "carl the gross" and i hope it catches on, please join me.
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Dec 8, 2021 20:35
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My ancestory knowledge goes only as far as a relative who was a stowaway and came to America illegally. Interestingly, my dad is hyper-conservative and VERY anti-immigrant, but somehow still proud of how our family came to America.
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Dec 8, 2021 20:38
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One of my great-grandpas had to flee the Black and Tans (or, at least, felt he had to) and that's the only meaningful participation in this century's wars in my family. My grandparents were either too sickly or too "actually born in 1933" to participate in the big one.
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Dec 8, 2021 21:05
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Earwicker posted:i prefer to refer to charlemagne as "carl the gross" and i hope it catches on, please join me. Charles the Large.
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Dec 8, 2021 22:02
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Big Chuck
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Dec 8, 2021 22:47
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Oh yeah? Well I'm a direct female-line descendant of Mitochondrial Eve, a line going back some 200,000 years.  (Oh course, so is absolutely everyone, since that's kind of how the term is defined, but hey, I'll take my braggadocio where I can get it.)
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Dec 8, 2021 23:02
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Earwicker posted:i prefer to refer to charlemagne as "carl the gross" and i hope it catches on, please join me. My preferred is Chuck the Large edit: teach me to not read the rest of the replies in a thread full of dorks 
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Dec 9, 2021 00:18
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Cyrus Teed was who I was thinking of! I remember him from the Big Book Of Bad
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Dec 9, 2021 03:05
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I'm Menno Simons. Descended from. Is what I meant. I'm certainly not an immortal pacifist vampire or anything. (As far as I know I have no famous ancestors)
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Dec 9, 2021 03:19
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I'd mention the dead person I'm tangentially related to but, then Goons would know my last name.
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Dec 9, 2021 03:33
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Cyrano4747 posted:Unless they're the sort of people who have serious genealogical research done back through the high medieval period (i.e. they're no bullshit nobility) - I seriously, seriously doubt it. One of the mathematical quirks of genealogy is that if a person in the sufficiently distant past has any living descendants, everybody is their descendant. That point is probably back in the neolithic, but people in surprisingly recent history can have a high percentage of the modern global population in their progeny. The most recent common ancestor of all humans was plausibly some random couple as recently as the days of the Roman Republic (although they would not have been Romans themselves, probably east Asians). This works in your favor if you'd like to have bragging rights about a cool Nth-great grandfather. Just twenty generations back you have a million ancestors (although of course not all of them are different people). Some of 'em are bound to be famous or at least have famous descendants. It's therefore often surprisingly easy to do a little bit of genealogy and find yourself traced to some well-known folks. Actually verifying it isn't too bad, you just have to trace back far enough to hit somebody who has a descendant who is really into genealogy and already put all their work on the internet. Typically this won't be much farther than great grandparents.
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Dec 9, 2021 04:14
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Mr. Wiggles posted:It's not even weird historical trivia so much as it's part and parsel of victorian "historians" being really in to racial theory and other non-scientific means of justifying colonialism. Proto-nazi poo poo is what this is. The whole American animals are degenerate thing is funny in retrospect. Did you know at least one president measured the distances between anus and vulva of various North American animals in a official capacity because of it.
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Dec 9, 2021 04:20
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Thirteen Orphans posted:My family’s claim to fame is we’re related to a signer of the Declaration of Independence. My family tree has the Floyd’s in it. When was younger I met my great grandmother who was his niece and knew all the big gangsters.
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Dec 9, 2021 04:22
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Fritz the Horse posted:my ancestry is I'm a registered quarterhorse Here I thought you were a whole horse :o
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Dec 9, 2021 13:17
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My contribution to ancestor chat. TW: ridiculous ancestor worship, possible syncretism, possible violation of Deuteronomy 18:10-11 https://twitter.com/lakewitchhouse/status/1468758590974570496?t=2M5J7ay8dlC0qnnmnKjsNA&s=19
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Dec 9, 2021 18:39
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Cyrano4747 posted:Unless they're the sort of people who have serious genealogical research done back through the high medieval period (i.e. they're no bullshit nobility) - I seriously, seriously doubt it. You're probably right, the person who told me can without a doubt prove ancestry all the way back to the pilgrims, I think it was in that person's diary where they claimed ole' Charles. But that's where their research has stopped, for now at least. Cool story though.
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Dec 10, 2021 17:43
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I have the personal stories about my great-great-grandmother. As in stuff that happened to her. Too bad the stories that are remembered are about the bad stuff that happened and desperate survival?
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Dec 11, 2021 12:03
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my mother is obsessed with genealogy but happily she is not the type of person who would go looking for claims of nobility or being descended from famous people etc. but i did find out that i had a great great uncle named "ples" who was a bootlegger that died in a shootout with cops on a riverboat in alabama and imo thats just as cool as anything charlemagne ever did
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Dec 11, 2021 19:18
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Earwicker posted:my mother is obsessed with genealogy but happily she is not the type of person who would go looking for claims of nobility or being descended from famous people etc. but i did find out that i had a great great uncle named "ples" who was a bootlegger that died in a shootout with cops on a riverboat in alabama and imo thats just as cool as anything charlemagne ever did That's awesome. Sometimes you'll see people get really upset when an ancestor is revealed to be a criminal and I can't help thinking, as long as it's not someone I know personally - so I'm sideswiped that I didn't know this about them - that's all interesting and nothing to feel ashamed about.
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Dec 11, 2021 20:11
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HopperUK posted:That's awesome. Sometimes you'll see people get really upset when an ancestor is revealed to be a criminal and I can't help thinking, as long as it's not someone I know personally - so I'm sideswiped that I didn't know this about them - that's all interesting and nothing to feel ashamed about.
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Dec 11, 2021 21:12
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HopperUK posted:That's awesome. Sometimes you'll see people get really upset when an ancestor is revealed to be a criminal and I can't help thinking, as long as it's not someone I know personally - so I'm sideswiped that I didn't know this about them - that's all interesting and nothing to feel ashamed about. 3/4 of my ancestors are boring farmers - Germans who settled in Iowa or Mennonites who settled in Pennsylvania (then moved to Canada to remain British subjects after the American Revolution). One grandmother was descended from William and Mary Brewster, of the Mayflower. So I could join the Mayflower Society if only I were a pretentious twit.
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Dec 12, 2021 01:58
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My case is being presented to the council of elders at the monastery to determine whether or not I will be admitted. I have to be upfront and honest, I NEVER thought it would get this far. I'm good company and polite so I knew the visits would go well, but they know about my medical history now, a lot about my medical history, and the vocations director is still saying things like "after the presentation we'll have you come up in January..." Pray for me, that God's Will be done, whatever that may be. Also, God bless all of you who have been so supportive, it's made a discernible difference in how I have approached all this.
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Dec 13, 2021 21:33
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Good luck, TO! Thinking of you 
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Dec 14, 2021 04:59
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Everything that needs to happen, will happen. You rock, TO, let us know where you go so we can send letters and cookies!
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Dec 14, 2021 07:28
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All the good thoughts to you! I hope you find the path you're seeing on your journey. Keep us updated, I'm excited that you're going in a direction you've been longing for. Aside from that, are there any Hindus here? I'd love to talk to someone in the faith because I'm finding myself drawn to it the older I get. I grew up Catholic, ended up with a Taoist lifestyle, but I've always wanted to know more about Hinduism. Something about it feels right to me but I don't know where to start besides reading everything I can. I'd like to visit a temple but I don't know how a random white gal walking in would be received. I'm curious and I want to be as respectful as possible.
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Dec 15, 2021 05:26
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Scathach posted:Aside from that, are there any Hindus here? I'd love to talk to someone in the faith because I'm finding myself drawn to it the older I get. I grew up Catholic, ended up with a Taoist lifestyle, but I've always wanted to know more about Hinduism. Something about it feels right to me but I don't know where to start besides reading everything I can. I'd like to visit a temple but I don't know how a random white gal walking in would be received. I'm curious and I want to be as respectful as possible. Paging GreyjoyBastard. Paging GreyjoyBastard, you have a call on line Hindu.
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Dec 15, 2021 05:32
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Scathach posted:All the good thoughts to you! I hope you find the path you're seeing on your journey. Keep us updated, I'm excited that you're going in a direction you've been longing for. I'm a total weirdo even by Hinduism standards, but let's get started: do you have a particular deity you're interested in, or is it more of a "there are lots of interesting deities and also I like the idea of this particular subset"? I pass no judgement in either case.
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Dec 15, 2021 05:57
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Kali has interested me for a long time, as images of her seem to pop up around me every time I'm having massive changes in my life or forging a path I don't necessarily try for/want until I realized I'm going the right way. And there are a lot of other deities/pieces of god I'd love to know. I've always had a belief in reincarnation, karma, and doing good for good. When I did my yoga teacher training I started reading the Bhagavad Gita.
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Dec 15, 2021 06:23
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My former boss was a great fan of Kali. My more recent former boss was more about Ganesha. I like him, he seems loveable, though admittedly that might just be the elephant.
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Dec 15, 2021 11:39
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Ganesh has always seemed to be very cool to me, a calming presence. I feel like I have about a thousand questions about Hinduism and will probably just keep piling them on the more I learn. I'm excited. I should add, I've long considered myself a Taoist as far as the philosophy goes, but I suppose the general way to go about life is similar. Just seems the Hinduism is what I've been looking for. Scathach fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Dec 16, 2021 |
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Dec 15, 2021 16:44
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Hello. During the pandemic I discovered I am Hindu. I still also consider myself to be a zen practitioner. I guess they can go hand-in-hand. I learned about advaita vedanta which caused me to realize this is what I have always believed. I discovered Hinduism via Ram Dass and then started reading as much as I could about Neem Karoli Baba. This stuff wholly speaks to me. Do you have any recommendations on a version of the Gita? I bought a copy at the local bookstore but it is by the guru who established the Hare Krishna, which, while I love the Great Mantra and sing it daily I think this version has been catered to that specific line of thinking.
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Dec 16, 2021 06:06
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Hi thread. Pope Francis has ended Traditional Catholicism today. Lots of folks would be appreciating your prayers.
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Dec 18, 2021 21:04
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Worthleast posted:Hi thread. Pope Francis has ended Traditional Catholicism today. Lots of folks would be appreciating your prayers. Wait, it has? What happened?
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Dec 18, 2021 21:42
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Freudian posted:Wait, it has? What happened? glancing at headlines, looks like more restrictions/crackdown on traditional Latin Mass
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Dec 18, 2021 21:47
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Fritz the Horse posted:glancing at headlines, looks like more restrictions/crackdown on traditional Latin Mass More than just the Mass, now also the Ritual and Pontifical. So no more traditional rites for priestly ordination, confession, baptism, etc. Places where it is still permitted are temporarily tolerated with restrictions on growth, down to the detail of forbidding publishing Mass time in a parish bulletin. SSPX will continue as always since we have our own bishops and don’t mind penalties, but all the other trad orders will be facing really tough decisions.
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