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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I might be misremembering, but I thought I remember Shin saying something about Buu's power going up instead of decreasing when they turned him back into Kid Buu. Yeah it's basically: Mr Buu < Grey Buu < Majin Buu (normal) = somewhere around Kid Buu = somewhere around Majin Buu (angry with eyes open) = Somewhere around Goku SSJ3 < Super Buu = somewhere around Gotenks < Gohan < Super Buu + Gotenks/Piccolo < Super Buu with everyone < Vegito People get confused because Toei dumb anime filler had Goku fighting Super Buu and stuff combined with people completely not understanding the difference between Mr Buu and Majin Buu or understanding that Goku never saw or felt Majin Buu mad or power up which he did around twice. Shin is an idiot; Buu was getting buff and there was a fear he was getting more powerful then he turned into Kid Buu and they thought he was weaker, then they realized he was batshit insane and just blowing up everything. Kid Buu beat up Vegeta about as well as Majin Buu did when he bothered fighting back which shows pretty much where they range, as the poster above said, it was all about mentality.
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Checking the manga again, Goku even says that Super Buu would murder him and Vegeta as soon as they left his body.
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Dec 9, 2021 19:32
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Babidi's weird system? I think that was less power levels and more of a way of quantifying the energy they were collecting. Nah, Dabura talks about his Kili level. e: Even earlier vs Yukon  
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Dec 9, 2021 20:06
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Huh. I stand corrected.
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Dec 9, 2021 21:04
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I do actually think he might be parodying himself with that tho. Considering that whole part of the arc is Babidinand supreme Kai are dumb as poo poo
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Dec 9, 2021 22:31
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Power levels make sense when you understand that they give vastly diminishing returns. 100,000 is barely more powerful than 10,000 so that’s why it starts jumping into the millions by the end of Namek. Kili are a much more straightforward scale cause Goku was easily almost 4x stronger than Yakon there.
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Dec 9, 2021 23:03
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PringleCreamEgg posted:Power levels make sense when you understand that they give vastly diminishing returns. 100,000 is barely more powerful than 10,000 so that’s why it starts jumping into the millions by the end of Namek. What is the conversion rate of Power Level to Kili? We need to know how strong the Farmer With A Shotgun is.
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Dec 10, 2021 17:11
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New Leaf posted:What is the conversion rate of Power Level to Kili? We need to know how strong the Farmer With A Shotgun is. Supposedly 50k = 1 kili
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Dec 10, 2021 17:36
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Yes, but how many scovilles is it?
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Dec 10, 2021 18:44
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I want them to go back to the old scale just once. Just pop up and say it's canon that Gogeta Blue has a battle power of 17 septillion or whatever E: forgot they actually did this for golden frieza lol 
projecthalaxy fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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Dec 10, 2021 18:47
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Kild posted:Supposedly 50k = 1 kili That'd put Yakkon at 40,000,000 and Goku at 150,000,000 ...which tracks more or less with where Goku is put when he's SSJ on Namek. Did fans come up with that conversion just to match that?
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Burkion posted:That'd put Yakkon at 40,000,000 and Goku at 150,000,000 It was on Vjump 2004 according to the wiki.
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Dec 10, 2021 20:48
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Pureauthor posted:I wonder how often when people talk about power levels they're actually complaining about the power scaling. Which in fairness has never made any sense at all. I feel like that's it. Every time they announce how insanely strong Goku/Vegeta/whoever the new arc villain is (or has become) it only serves to remind the audience just how irrelevant everybody else is. Every time a new ridiculous number comes out, it just depresses anybody who wants to see Piccolo or Gohan or fuckin anybody do anything besides gawk at how strong Goku has become.
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Dec 11, 2021 05:50
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they already fixed power levels Toriyama said something like "oh yeah sure, God Goku at the start is a 6, Beerus is a 10, Whis is a 15" from there you can figure the ceiling is 20, the Grand Priest, and boom there you go everything is either 0-20 the end
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Dec 11, 2021 05:52
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Give us an arc where everyone has their ki locked and have fight with just their bodies.
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Dec 11, 2021 06:02
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I remember being exceptionally salty that Goku, who was already going to finish the Moro Arc by beating the main villain, also showed up and beat up everyone's mini-bosses as well. Like, man, the Dragon Team can't have poo poo in this house.
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Dec 11, 2021 06:02
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Give us an arc where everyone has their ki locked and have fight with just their bodies. I think the FighterZ game does that in some regard, to justify how Kid Buu and Yamcha can be on equal levels.
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Dec 11, 2021 07:09
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a big issue with that I think is like, ki supposedly isn't like mana or whatever, it's something you can train and work on like doing pushups. a kamehameha is the same thing as throwing an omoplata or a gazelle punch how do you know what to lock off?
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Well, early on, it was implied or outright stated to be lifeforce or stamina energy, so a giant Kamehameha drained the user. In the first Budokai between Goku and Jackie Chun, they both end up so tired that they literally can't fire any more Kamehamehas. That kind of went away after Freeza.
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Dec 11, 2021 08:04
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Well you have Majin Vegeta using up all his energy so he somehow turns to stone. SSJ3 also burning up Goku's 24hrs faster too.
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Some Numbers posted:Well, early on, it was implied or outright stated to be lifeforce or stamina energy, so a giant Kamehameha drained the user. I kind of figured that was more something like throwing wild rear end haymakers tiring you out faster than throwing lil' jabs but upped to the extremes of being a laser beam
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Babe Magnet posted:I kind of figured that was more something like throwing wild rear end haymakers tiring you out faster than throwing lil' jabs but upped to the extremes of being a laser beam Yeah, they also do get tired after throwing full out ones as opposed to just random ones too. Goku was pretty much done after putting his all into one and blowing off the top half of Cells body, and so on. Goku was also done after Vegeta rolled off of his Kaioken one, and Vegeta just didn't realize it because he destroyed his scooter.
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Some Numbers posted:Well, early on, it was implied or outright stated to be lifeforce or stamina energy, so a giant Kamehameha drained the user. It's not even "early on". Vegeta against Toppo in the ToP ended with him doing a Final Explosion and just being completely gassed out afterwards.
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I miss stuff like the last half of the Vegeta fight, where Goku is completely out of the fight but Vegeta's been softened up enough that even Yajirobe can do serious damage, and all the side characters and Vegeta are staggering around half-conscious desperately trying to beat the crap out of each other before they pass out themselves. No Goku summoning up some extra strength at the last minute and coming in to save the day, no super secret final forms, no shrugging stuff off with amazing power levels. Just Krillin and Gohan and Yajirobe coming to Goku's rescue and trying frantically to finish off an exhausted but still-dangerous Vegeta before he can catch his breath long enough to get a solid hit on them.
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It was peak Dragon Ball and we will never see anything like it ever again
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The end of the ToP was similar
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Vizuyos posted:I miss stuff like the last half of the Vegeta fight, where Goku is completely out of the fight but Vegeta's been softened up enough that even Yajirobe can do serious damage, and all the side characters and Vegeta are staggering around half-conscious desperately trying to beat the crap out of each other before they pass out themselves. No Goku summoning up some extra strength at the last minute and coming in to save the day, no super secret final forms, no shrugging stuff off with amazing power levels. Just Krillin and Gohan and Yajirobe coming to Goku's rescue and trying frantically to finish off an exhausted but still-dangerous Vegeta before he can catch his breath long enough to get a solid hit on them. Yeah, that whole fight was great.
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dr.acula posted:The end of the ToP was similar Yeah, you mean like a Goku that couldn't even go SSJ, a half done Freeza and Android 17 of all people going against winded Jiren?
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Yeah that actually felt great to see, they didn’t do as good of a job showing Goku slowly losing gas during the tourney, but they sold the endgame
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The visual of Goku trying and failing to go Super Saiyan was great, but it was such a blink-and- you'll-miss-it detail that it didn't have as much impact as it should have.
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Something like that has never happened before so it was super cool to see that as an indicator of how spent he was, especially with the Namek callback
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Some Numbers posted:The visual of Goku trying and failing to go Super Saiyan was great, but it was such a blink-and- you'll-miss-it detail that it didn't have as much impact as it should have. you're right they should have interrupted it to cut to krillin and co in the rafters explaining whats going on
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Stairmaster posted:you're right they should have interrupted it to cut to krillin and co in the rafters explaining whats going on 
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Stairmaster posted:you're right they should have interrupted it to cut to krillin and co in the rafters explaining whats going on I genuinely believe that there's more moments of this than there is fighting in the ToP.
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Black August posted:Yeah that actually felt great to see, they didn’t do as good of a job showing Goku slowly losing gas during the tourney, but they sold the endgame U.I. was pretty much his Kaioken against Vegeta; last ditch move that overpowered him but didn't quite beat him before his body exploded. You just didn't have Jiren stomping on Goku while he was down afterwards to completely put him out. So due to that, he and Freeza became Gohan and Krillin and 17 was Yaijorobee.
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Dec 12, 2021 02:09
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Quick question, how exactly did the name 'Kid' Buu get so ensconced in the English speaking fandom for his final form? Its pretty random and I don't remember anything in the actual work itself hinting at this name.
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khwarezm posted:Quick question, how exactly did the name 'Kid' Buu get so ensconced in the English speaking fandom for his final form? Its pretty random and I don't remember anything in the actual work itself hinting at this name. Almost certainly action figures or video games.
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Dec 12, 2021 02:40
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Does the second Buu even actually get a name in the manga/anime for that matter? I just remember him being called “evil Buu” or something like that.
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khwarezm posted:Quick question, how exactly did the name 'Kid' Buu get so ensconced in the English speaking fandom for his final form? Its pretty random and I don't remember anything in the actual work itself hinting at this name. He looks like a kid OP
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khwarezm posted:Quick question, how exactly did the name 'Kid' Buu get so ensconced in the English speaking fandom for his final form? Its pretty random and I don't remember anything in the actual work itself hinting at this name. The funimation VHS/DVD covers have Kid Buu on them.    
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