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Fabricated posted:What she's talking about is more of a generality. She's basically saying Marou is a freak of nature- not so much that he's like secretly a yokai or descended from a god or whatever; he's just like one of those random one-in-a-million people who're extraordinary in some way. Yeah that's kind of how I interpreted it, though we'll have to see where the story goes. It comes off more as "this legend about special humans sprung up after these super strong dudes did cool poo poo" rather than "these dudes were super strong because they were special legendary humans"
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Fabricated posted:What she's talking about is more of a generality. She's basically saying Marou is a freak of nature- not so much that he's like secretly a yokai or descended from a god or whatever; he's just like one of those random one-in-a-million people who're extraordinary in some way. how are those different exactly i wasn't a fan either because i didn't really want an explanation or special lore around it. i liked the implication that anyone could just become a manga hero via being dumb enough to go all in on training for it
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Dec 12, 2021 20:29
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i figured something like this was coming but i still don't like it, nor that they tipped their hand on it so early
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Dec 12, 2021 20:42
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The special stuff is whatever, but our dumb protagonist punching the ground near his opponents head to intimidate him and accidentally collapsing the whole floor and killing him via a piece of debris was very good.
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Dec 12, 2021 20:49
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It's not anything special tho. He's just a dude who got strong enough to fight demons. Which in their society is treated as a legend He doesn't have some great power or destiny. He's just one such dude.
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Dec 12, 2021 20:56
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It's the Dark Souls school of protagonism: you don't get to ring the bells of awakening because you're the Chosen Undead. You are the Chosen Undead BECAUSE you managed to ring the bells
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Dec 12, 2021 21:07
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One thing I'm kind of uncertain about with Ayashimon (which I'm otherwise really liking so far) is that I'm not sure where it can go in the longer term. It seems to fall in some weird grey area between comedy and battle manga, but doesn't seem to fully be suited for either genre. The circumstances/protagonist don't really provide much for interesting fights (unless they suddenly shoe-horn in a bunch of new "mechanics"), but there also aren't really enough jokes to be a full-out comedy manga yet. Mashle had a somewhat similar thing going on, though leaned far more heavily into the comedy side (where the whole setting was comedy fodder).
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Dec 12, 2021 22:02
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HenryEx posted:It's the Dark Souls school of protagonism: you don't get to ring the bells of awakening because you're the Chosen Undead. You are the Chosen Undead BECAUSE you managed to ring the bells <You must chose to be chosen>
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Dec 12, 2021 22:03
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I kinda just want to see Ayashimon do a more substantial fight and not something over in 3 hits. But it's only chapter 5 so there's no real rush.
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Dec 12, 2021 22:03
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I get the feeling that Ayashimon is doing an early One Piece thing - all the enemies Maruo has fought so far have been mostly just small-fry bullies beating up even smaller fries. I'm guessing once he starts fighting actual yakuza bosses and their officers then we'll actually start getting "real" fights. Might be cool to see him needing to learn strategy and how to actually fight, etc. Of course, this also means it might be a long time until we get to see a "real" fight, so if it can't do those well then it might just be delaying the inevitable.
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Dec 12, 2021 22:24
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Oxxidation posted:i figured something like this was coming but i still don't like it, nor that they tipped their hand on it so early Nah it was obvious from moment 1 he was unnatural.
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CodfishCartographer posted:I get the feeling that Ayashimon is doing an early One Piece thing - all the enemies Maruo has fought so far have been mostly just small-fry bullies beating up even smaller fries. I'm guessing once he starts fighting actual yakuza bosses and their officers then we'll actually start getting "real" fights. Might be cool to see him needing to learn strategy and how to actually fight, etc. Of course, this also means it might be a long time until we get to see a "real" fight, so if it can't do those well then it might just be delaying the inevitable. I think the issue if it wants to actually have a fighting focus in the longer term is that (without introducing some other plot element) Maruo is just a bizarrely strong/durable human who doesn't have the ability to learn special powers (as opposed to something like One Piece or most other similar series where you have an ensemble cast with their various powers that they can develop over time). Though as you can see from something like Mashle such a premise can still work, though it has to give significant focus to other elements. All this being said, it's one of very few fighting manga in WSJ that hasn't quickly given me a "almost certainly going to be cancelled" vibe in a while (like Red Hood or Neru). It had a very strong start IMO.
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Maruo might not get special powers directly but he can always find gear to make him more powerful. Onymo magic items, ancient demon-slaying artifacts, etc
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Dec 13, 2021 02:18
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these are the uhhhhhhhh ancient onmyo brass knuckles of hokuto no kensei
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In Nioh 2 Watanabe no Tsuna fights with the severed fists of Ibaraki Douji so, you're not far off
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Dec 13, 2021 02:44
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I am deeply upset that Sakamoto Days will be on break next week because I am hyped for the Old man getting a for real fight even though I suspect both parties will walk away from this encounter.
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Dec 13, 2021 02:56
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Jerkface posted:these are the uhhhhhhhh ancient onmyo brass knuckles of hokuto no kensei Stoked for Urara to hand Maruo a perfectly normal pair of brass knuckles or whatever and tell him they're magical just to make him happy
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Dec 13, 2021 03:09
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Ayashimon: Still good! I don't hate the reveal of the MC being some mythical youkai-slaying entity, I think it's pretty neat because I wasn't really expecting the whole Mashle/OPM style of "this dude just exercise to become a fitness god" comedy in the first place. I think it's pretty neat to tie it to mythological Japanese figures, given the whole youkai-based concept of the series as a whole. Elusive Samurai: Bandit dude came to play. Good chapter. Mashle: Mash does Mash things. My Robocco: A Toriko reference????? Cliched plot but I liked the ending payoff. Sakamoto: poo poo's getting loving hyper and hyper every chapter! I'm liking the new baddies - Guy Who Goes to the Bathroom Between Kills and Secret Agent Who Was Meh About His Friends Dying. I also like how the JAA is introduced, they're generally used to being on top of the game so most of them treat the entire thing with nonchalance until the poo poo comes to their floor and they realize that they're well and truly hosed.
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Dexo posted:It's not anything special tho. Yeah, right now it just seems like he's just a genetic freak, and he's not normal. Not some special destiny. Basically the same thing as being a naturally gifted athlete or a talented painter. Our buddy Marou is just unnaturally gifted in the fine art of face breaking, and is being compared to other once-in-a-couple-generations talents so that there's SOME context for this total weirdo.
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I like Doron Dororon. It's good. I laughed out loud at "Alright! Let's work together to advance my career!" "Wait I thought you wanted to save people" "Saving people will advance my career!"
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Slur telling his murderous partner the toilets were every other floor and then the guy checking which floor he was on because he needed to use it was a nice touch between all the murders
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Sakamoto: This hype train isn't stopping anytime soon (though on break next week ). Though I'm worried about the old man.  Mash: Being Mash. Though I hope we finish this fight soon, it's starting to wear out it's welcome. Undead: Nice character moments. Witch Watch: Will this be the start of the ending of the arc? I assume this isn't the only warlock nearby. Magu: Sweet.  Ayashimon: Am I the only one who has trouble remembering this name because there's a manga called Ayakashi as the same time despite being nothing alike? I have no problems with the "reveal". She'd already been wondering about why he's so strong. As long as he stays something of a dumb muscle we can possibly end up with something that falls between Mash and Chainsawman. More serious than Mash, but less serious than Chainsawman. Elusive Samurai: Wartime fun. It's so weird how this manga goes from serious to whimsical. Oh no! The army is being slaughtered, we're being routed. No worries, here's a guy who uses a tree as a weapon.  Doron: Cool third chapter, I think there's room for this next to what we already have. The way they interacted reminded me of Candy Crush. Fun and whimsical characters. I just dislike the way the Mangaka draws faces. Cool teamwork between Kusanagi and the dude. I'm fond of how this story so far isn't wasting time, without feeling rushed. With things set up and a hint of background for the girl it feels like it's time for some proper stakes. Roboco: D'aww.. 
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Ayakashi Triangle is doing something interesting, namely the Ancient Evil going "I actually think the protagonist is really cool and if they were alive back then to support me I wouldn't have become evil maybe? Here let me try living among humans for a while and see how this goes." Now, I really really really really really really really really really really really really would like this manga to do this interesting thing without having the artist constantly focusing the gaze on T&A. Can we have this? Pretty please?
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Mikl posted:Ayakashi Triangle You know better than that. "Lol" said Kentaro Yabuki, "lmao". I dont have any qualms with Ayashimon saying the kids special. Its done nothing to suggest otherwise and it got it out of the way early enough that the intent wouldnt be muddled. Though I dont know whether Maruo would hate it or love it. Depends on what kind of manga he likes Id guess.
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Fabricated posted:I can't really explain clearly why Ayakashi Triangle's handling of Matsuri puts me off so much whenever I go back to look at it. Yuri-bait is whatever but even at its most heartfelt it still gives off this impression of "lol, girls hooking up with eachother is a funny joke and not something that can really happen!" I think the crux of the problem with AT (other than the horny) is that the writing is fighting against itself. My read is that the story is naturally steering Matsuri into staying as a woman, but then the manga-ka and/or SJ editorial remembers, "oh yeah, Matsuri is supposed to want to be a guy again," and introduces some dumb reason for why Matsuri would want to change back: "oh, uh, Suzu would only be with me as a guy, so I have to change back. Wait, she wants to be with me now? poo poo, uh, well, I won't date her until I become a guy again! Yeah!" It's contrived and forced, because Matsuri's only stated reasons for changing back revolve around Suzu, and she doesn't care at all what form Matsuri has. There's no outside impetus to force it, either. There's no scenes of dysphoria, Matsuri's friends and family are okay with the transformation, Suzu's family doesn't care about her dating a girl (her brother is a supportive wingman!), it's only affected Matsuri's school life positively... the only being who cares is Shirogane, who transformed Matsuri in the first place... and he's a bad guy! The reason why he did it was because he hated romance (girls can't be with girls!), so the whole point of the manga should be to spite him! Ugh. Anyways, onto some actually good manga. Witch Watch: Solid, if very conventional chapter. Guess we're getting a fight next chapter Sakamoto Days: Great, great chapter. It's setting up for what promises to be a cool as hell fight, and we have to wait a couple of weeks for it? Okay, fine, but I don't have to like it! Blue Box: Continues to be a cute, enjoyable read. It's been going a little slow for the past few chapters, but I'm okay with it. PPPPPP: This still isn't what I would consider to be "good," but it is getting better. Doron Dororon: Not sure how I feel about this yet, but Ginchiyo looks to be a fun character. Ayashimon: Still enjoying this a lot, and I'm glad we're getting more worldbuilding.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:You know better than that. Now I want Maruo to riff on Naruto. "WHAT! I was born special? It's exactly like that one manga! All my hard work didn't matter in the end, I was predestined to be great!"
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Rigged Death Trap posted:You know better than that. See, this is super weird to me. Does Yabuki really want to be known as the T&A guy forever? Why not try to tell a story with limited fan service? Does he think he wouldn't be able to? I mean, oddly, the fan service in Ayakashi Triangle is to is detriment: it's trying to tell a story, but the T&A is a distraction from the plot.
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Dec 13, 2021 21:26
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t&a is what his entire career is built on
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Dec 13, 2021 21:27
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The guy continued To Love Ru outside of Weekly Jump as pretty much straight up porn. Guy knows what he likes.
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i find it very funny all the poeple who still read AT complaining about it being horny. thats why you're reading it and lol at pretending otherwise
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Dec 13, 2021 21:51
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My uncle works at AT and he says it's actually a deep cover operation to get a yuri romance manga into WSJ
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Dec 13, 2021 22:00
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Good luck to Suzu in realizing that she can just be bi.
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Jose posted:i find it very funny all the poeple who still read AT complaining about it being horny. thats why you're reading it and lol at pretending otherwise Yeah no, actually. If I wanted to read porn I'd just read porn, there's plenty of better stuff than AT out there. Some with better plots, too. AT is actually irritating. I find myself thinking, okay, these two people are talking, can you please get to the point you're trying to make without having seventeen panels of horny to go along with it? For that matter, was there a point in setting the latest chapter at the pool? (Besides you drawing girls in tight swimwear.) I know this sounds weird, but the horny is distracting. But then again hi, it's me, I'm the gal who overanalyses the plot of dumb weekly manga, hello how are you doing.
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AT pays (the vaguest of) lip service to concepts and ideas it has next to no interest in fully exploring. I havent read it since the first few chapters but from what I can tell from your posts it has kept doing the thing where it edges towards saying something interesting, then pivoting immediately to more fanservice instead of following through.
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Jose posted:i find it very funny all the poeple who still read AT complaining about it being horny. thats why you're reading it and lol at pretending otherwise I think a more accurate version of this is "That's why the mangaka is writing it" - he obviously has zero interest in telling a story beyond its use as a framework for delivering fanservice, and any interesting ideas or themes are either accidental or imagined. And that is irritating! I do think there is value to examining the ideas AT puts forth and what it says about its author and the society it stems from / caters to. However, I wouldn't hold my breath for any intentional insights from the work itself. COULD this kind of story be a great setting for examining dysphoria, sexuality, gender, and society's views on those and more? Absolutely. Does the author have any interest at all in exploring those themes? Nope.
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CodfishCartographer posted:I think a more accurate version of this is "That's why the mangaka is writing it" - money
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Me reading the token horny status quo series by the dude whose previous works were basically just soft core porn: god dammit why does it keep focusing on t&a instead of exploring meaningful and nuanced concepts!!
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Dec 14, 2021 05:06
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I read the horny mag for the articles.
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Dec 14, 2021 05:13
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sometimes you see traces of fiction you really wish were real in lovely fiction. of course, once it becomes obvious that this idealized fantasy version from your own head doesn't and never will exist then you are just consuming lovely fiction. that's okay too.
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you can just read black cat if you want to see a more traditional shonen punch mans series from the ayakashi triangle guy
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