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D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

AndyElusive posted:

They announced Saturnine coming soon in paperback?

But I have Saturnine in paperback right here. I'm looking at it in my bookshelf...?

There are three different sizes of Siege paperbacks!

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Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

jng2058 posted:

It was for the original Inquisitor game that no one played, but otherwise you are correct.
He was named in that book too. It's actually a really good game but it wasn't really a wargame. That's why it basically turned into Dark Heresy. It's fun to play at regular 40k scake though, and makes way more sense.

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
oh man i love the Ahriman series im so stoked for that

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


I say this completely seriously: I cannot wait to see how Tzeentch strings Ahriman along this time.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Inquisitor was a roleplaying game masquerading as a skirmish level wargame. The rulebook for it owned hard and the models were all pretty cool.

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





Jerkface posted:

Inquisitor was a roleplaying game masquerading as a skirmish level wargame. The rulebook for it owned hard and the models were all pretty cool.

Yeah, but having all the models be a different scale than the regular 40k stuff doomed them. No one wanted to buy dozens of new models and terrain at even higher than usual GW prices when everyone already had 40k scale models they wanted to use instead.

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016

wiegieman posted:

I say this completely seriously: I cannot wait to see how Tzeentch strings Ahriman along this time.

I just want to see Ahriman get into even more Necron-related shenanigans. Necrons and Chaos interacting with each other is always fun just because of how fundamentally opposed they are.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

jng2058 posted:

Yeah, but having all the models be a different scale than the regular 40k stuff doomed them. No one wanted to buy dozens of new models and terrain at even higher than usual GW prices when everyone already had 40k scale models they wanted to use instead.

well I mean I think the point of it was that you didn't need to have dozens of models and you were supposed to just have a few because it wasn't a wargame

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





Jerkface posted:

well I mean I think the point of it was that you didn't need to have dozens of models and you were supposed to just have a few because it wasn't a wargame

Even if you're playing it like a RPG, you're going to need some enemies, or else what's the point of putting together the cool minis for all the PCs? So someone's got to buy, assemble, and paint some cultists or Orks or Daemons or whatever.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Yeah the scenario books they put out really made it clear how many figures they expected you to have and it was not cheap to run even a single game from those books.

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

Couldn't you just use your normal figures with the rules anyway?

It's been a loonnnnggg time since I've seen a copy, but as I recall, weren't the rules pretty scale agnostic.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

DRINK MORE MOXIE


54mm 40k figures were incredibly fun to paint and I wish GW did more of those.

Fellblade
Apr 28, 2009
It's almost like GW made it a new scale because they wanted to make people spend... MORE money on their products??? Bit of a wild theory I know.

Bucnasti
Aug 14, 2012

I'll Fetch My Sarcasm Robes
Good news! There are plenty of people making new rules for Inquisitor scale games like Plan 28, and with 3D printing you can make just about any mini at 54mm scale.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

jng2058 posted:

Even if you're playing it like a RPG, you're going to need some enemies, or else what's the point of putting together the cool minis for all the PCs? So someone's got to buy, assemble, and paint some cultists or Orks or Daemons or whatever.

And you need a table to play it on. Some chairs maybe, a plant of some sort for atmosphere. Then you need a house to put all this in. It's a slippery slope.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Deptfordx posted:

Couldn't you just use your normal figures with the rules anyway?

It's been a loonnnnggg time since I've seen a copy, but as I recall, weren't the rules pretty scale agnostic.
Yeah, you could (and my friends did). The main problem with it was terrain TBH. You needed much denser terrain than most warhams games and if you went with the 54mm figures that terrain was huge.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

AnEdgelord posted:

I just want to see Ahriman get into even more Necron-related shenanigans. Necrons and Chaos interacting with each other is always fun just because of how fundamentally opposed they are.

Has he faced them before? I read of him dealing mostly with Space wolf hunters, his fellow 1kSons, and Inquisition/Grey Knights

Also, that is a badass art of Sanguinius defending the gate, but it always tickles me how almost every bit of primarch art (unless it shows two of them fighting) is exactly the supposedly Primarch-killing trap Russ sprang on Angron in 'Betrayer': one melee demigod surrounded by dozens of astartes that suddenly forget how to shoot.

Azubah
Jun 5, 2007

I thought Ahriman was just a trilogy so I'm thrilled I get to watch him fail again.

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016

Sephyr posted:

Has he faced them before? I read of him dealing mostly with Space wolf hunters, his fellow 1kSons, and Inquisition/Grey Knights

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ahriman:_Key_of_Infinity_

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
I bought the Talon of Horus on Audible and started listening to it and have a question.

The narrator, Khayon, mentions twice near the beginning that he, by himself, made Primarch Magnus kneel in front of Abaddon, and got the nickname Kingbreaker for it.

My question: Is that an obvious hint meant to clue the reader (listener) that Khayon is lying to his captors, and his account should not be taken at face value, or is that actually something they're gonna explain with some kind of bullshit deus ex machina later?

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Warden posted:

I bought the Talon of Horus on Audible and started listening to it and have a question.

The narrator, Khayon, mentions twice near the beginning that he, by himself, made Primarch Magnus kneel in front of Abaddon, and got the nickname Kingbreaker for it.

My question: Is that an obvious hint meant to clue the reader (listener) that Khayon is lying to his captors, and his account should not be taken at face value, or is that actually something they're gonna explain with some kind of bullshit deus ex machina later?

Khayon is very powerful and a competent daemonologist, so if he got his hands on Magnus' daemon name he could do it.

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016
Yeah being a Daemon Prince is a huge upgrade in power level but it adds in a bunch of arcane weaknesses that can gently caress you over. Its not unreasonable for a Chaos Sorcerer like Khayon to exploit them.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

There have been fan theories about it.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

wiegieman posted:

Khayon is very powerful and a competent daemonologist, so if he got his hands on Magnus' daemon name he could do it.
Presumably his true name is still "Magnus" so it's a kind of glaring weakness when you think about it.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO
https://twitter.com/KinoFabino/status/1469861581873897474

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020

jng2058 posted:

Even if you're playing it like a RPG, you're going to need some enemies, or else what's the point of putting together the cool minis for all the PCs? So someone's got to buy, assemble, and paint some cultists or Orks or Daemons or whatever.

What's the term for substituting household objects for models?

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

FPyat posted:

What's the term for substituting household objects for models?

Substituting.

Also, roomba is a fine landraider substitution.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Arquinsiel posted:

Presumably his true name is still "Magnus" so it's a kind of glaring weakness when you think about it.

It's actually Maggy.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

DRINK MORE MOXIE


MariusLecter posted:

Substituting.

Also, roomba is a fine landraider substitution.

It's an even better Monolith stand in. The vacuum function really captures the essence of that gateway of eternity rule.

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.
Looking forward to the new Ahriman book, although Huron's book looks promising as well, I'm curious to see what Mike Brooks can do outside of orky fiction.


This is now canon in my head.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

AndyElusive posted:

It's actually Maggy.

It's Mangus.

Dog_Meat
May 19, 2013

Arquinsiel posted:

Presumably his true name is still "Magnus" so it's a kind of glaring weakness when you think about it.

Isn't he having a moody sulk in one of the HH books and casually mentions that he knows the true name of the Emperor and "it would surprise you"? That always seemed a bit of a game changing thing to throw out there in an off-hand comment

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.
True names are such an interesting concept. They go all the way back to the ancient Egyptians (and probably prior), who had a story about Isis gaining power over Ra by learning his true name.

Fellblade
Apr 28, 2009

Dog_Meat posted:

Isn't he having a moody sulk in one of the HH books and casually mentions that he knows the true name of the Emperor and "it would surprise you"? That always seemed a bit of a game changing thing to throw out there in an off-hand comment

Knowing things that turn out to not be true is basically the Thousand Sons entire schtick, so makes sense.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Angry Lobster posted:

Looking forward to the new Ahriman book, although Huron's book looks promising as well, I'm curious to see what Mike Brooks can do outside of orky fiction.

I would [I] strongly[/] suggest you read Rites of Passage. It's amazing. Alpharius is great too. Dude can write. My favorite of the new crop of BL writers.

Azubah
Jun 5, 2007

Just finished up Apocalypse from the conquest line and it was fun, neat seeing 3 different chapters work together.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

D-Pad posted:

I would [I] strongly[/] suggest you read Rites of Passage. It's amazing. Alpharius is great too. Dude can write. My favorite of the new crop of BL writers.

I second this. While the ending is not quite up to the quality of the rest of the book as it turns into standard 40k fight porn, (although how the problem is ultimately resolved is conceptually neat) the exploration of navigator house politics is a very fun and tense ride.

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface
Loving the "actually this kinda sorta blows but what are ya going to do" subtext throughout the Lords of Silence.

t3isukone
Dec 18, 2020

13km away

Broken Record Talk posted:

I disagree with your conclusion, but I do agree that the problem with the 40k universe is the Ultramarines, and we should hear less about them for the good of the hobby.

I am in a strange position where on one hand, I hate the 'heroic loyalist spess merenes' thing(to the point that, until seeing the rave reviews in this thread, I didn't even check out Matthew Farrer's Urdesh books and I LOVE Farrer) and I am so frustrated with everything about how GW depicts them, but also, I genuinely like 40k!Guilliman. I don't think any of the writing has truly lived up to the potential that it has, but I really like him having to deal with knowing the Emperor is a monster who created him as first and foremost a tool for genocide.

...Directly related to this, I am still deeply frustrated by the sequence in Godblight where Guilliman straight-up says that he doesn't know if he even has free will and is then like 'but that's a great thing, we all have to have faith in the Emperor'.

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Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

D-Pad posted:

I would [I] strongly[/] suggest you read Rites of Passage. It's amazing. Alpharius is great too. Dude can write. My favorite of the new crop of BL writers.

I didn't check Rites of Passage because the premise didn't seem too attractive for me, but I guess I need to look into it. Also I completely forgot about the Alpharius book.

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