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What do the BJJ people here think about judo?
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Dec 21, 2021 19:58
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Speaking as a bjj guy I think that the judo guys are all dreamy and handsome
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Dec 21, 2021 20:02
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I just got the blessing ("of course!!") of my coach to start attending a local Judo club to supplement my BJJ; very excited to really learn some solid take down fundamentals.
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Dec 21, 2021 20:03
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CommonShore posted:Speaking as a bjj guy I think that the judo guys are all dreamy and handsome 
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Dec 21, 2021 20:11
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Sherbert Hoover posted:What do the BJJ people here think about judo? they make me apprehensive because every single one of them i've rolled with have slapped me on the mat before i knew it happened. my only saving grace is that pulling guard is almost automatic in those situations now.
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Dec 21, 2021 21:13
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Sherbert Hoover posted:What do the BJJ people here think about judo? Judo is sick. when I was in college I was on my colleges Judo team. I'm glad I no longer train Judo. I'd rather train Judo than BJJ in the gi though fwiw.
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Dec 21, 2021 21:17
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Tacos Al Pastor posted:The main point of doing Jiu Jitsu is to learn how to defend yourself from attack. That should include punches as well. But most people dont even know these concepts because they really arent taught it. Its more: "hey check out this cool armbar transition". Who says it should include striking? Should judo spend more time than it does focusing on striking? What about wrestling? Does boxing have the same point? Should boxers train some grappling if they want to be "true" to their sport? All these sports are so far removed from their martial origins, and I don't you or I can define the "main point" for anyone but ourselves. For me, its the same as any other sport, having fun. Secondary are the fitness, strength and flexibility benefits and the satisfaction of performing and improving a difficult skill, followed by the friends I've made along the way, and somewhere waaay down the list, somewhere below "helps me fall down less" is "might be useful in the exceedingly unlikely event that I have no choice but to defend myself against a single unarmed attacker, and could actually see the fight coming without getting one-punched to the floor. Also I hope I can do that without picking up an assault charge myself."
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Dec 21, 2021 22:27
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BJJ is a combat sport, where the goal is to positionally dominate your opponent before submitting them. While I agree that the sport had its roots in a self defence Martial Art, we've had about 30 years of the sport perfecting itself against other trained individuals in a one v. One setting (with various rule sets and timed rounds and various levels of clothing  ).I think that far more people are in bjj for the sportive aspect than the self defence aspect. The self defence thing is a nice side effect of learning to aggressively hug people. I will admit though, there is something to grappling a dude in a car with simunition firearms.
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Dec 21, 2021 22:32
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Tacos Al Pastor posted:The main point of doing Jiu Jitsu is to learn how to defend yourself from attack. That should include punches as well. But most people dont even know these concepts because they really arent taught it. Its more: "hey check out this cool armbar transition". Agreed. The red flags for me in the above anecdote are one person deciding to add a striking/self-defense component to testing out of nowhere and said testing being violent enough to result in a broken nose (for a stripe?!). You can absolutely make punch and headbutt defense part of your curriculum and train it safely--that's exactly what my old gym did--but there's a right way and a wrong way to do it, and this sounds flawed at best.
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Dec 21, 2021 22:41
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I think a lot of people begin these sports with the idea of self defense. Thinking back, that was why I started judo in my early 20s, and for several years that was my primary motivation. I remember about every 9 months I'd do a self evaluation and decide that 9-month-ago me was pretty badass, but NOW me would make a fool of him. After a few years of being disappointed that I never got to prove myself in "the streets" I started to feel like I didn't, and probably would never, actually need to and should just enjoy the activity for it's own sake.
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Dec 21, 2021 22:43
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If you really want to make your BJJ more self defense oriented, just learn a little MMA on the side and maybe be careful about relying on positions that obviously fall apart if someone can punch you.
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Dec 21, 2021 22:56
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Idk about real life fights, haven't done that really except one thing one time but about mid blue belt my buddies stopped wanting to backyard wrestle or mess around because it wasn't fun anymore. Now I'm too old for much of that kind of thing. Edit: not fun because I could just man-handle them not like I was applying subs or anything.
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Dec 21, 2021 22:57
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Jack B Nimble posted:If you really want to make your BJJ more self defense oriented, just learn a little MMA on the side and maybe be careful about relying on positions that obviously fall apart if someone can punch you. This is the best answer. This will make your sport BJJ better too. Around this area, the MMA purple belts are some of the toughest grapplers and the brown belts are on a whole other level.
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Dec 21, 2021 23:03
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ihop posted:Who says it should include striking? Should judo spend more time than it does focusing on striking? What about wrestling? Does boxing have the same point? Should boxers train some grappling if they want to be "true" to their sport? I dont recall Kano training his students for punches, I do however recall Helio doing so for his. Somewhere down the line in many schools, that aspect of jiu jitsu was forgotten about and more time was emphasized on grappling only. quote:All these sports are so far removed from their martial origins, and I don't you or I can define the "main point" for anyone but ourselves. For me, its the same as any other sport, having fun. Secondary are the fitness, strength and flexibility benefits and the satisfaction of performing and improving a difficult skill, followed by the friends I've made along the way, and somewhere waaay down the list, somewhere below "helps me fall down less" is "might be useful in the exceedingly unlikely event that I have no choice but to defend myself against a single unarmed attacker, and could actually see the fight coming without getting one-punched to the floor. Also I hope I can do that without picking up an assault charge myself." I think they become removed when schools no longer teach it for whatever reason. And sure while you and I may go in for fun, lets not fool ourselves that most people join to learn some sort of self defense aspect. People dont join to sit in the corner and knit. The schools where people are just socializing and "classes" become social hour, dont tend to keep people around or are not in business very long from what Ive seen. Jack B Nimble posted:maybe be careful about relying on positions that obviously fall apart if someone can punch you. You dont have to go the MMA route in order to learn these concepts. Many schools teach these concepts as part of jiu jitsu classes, and many dont. Tacos Al Pastor fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Dec 22, 2021 |
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Dec 22, 2021 01:39
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Tacos Al Pastor posted:I dont recall Kano training his students for punches, I do however recall Helio doing so for his. People also don't join to learn gun disarms or defence against knife strategies either.
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Dec 22, 2021 01:41
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Drewjitsu posted:People also don't join to learn gun disarms or defence against knife strategies either. What schools are teaching this?
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Dec 22, 2021 01:49
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The second technique almost every judo player demonstrates to get their blackbelt is a punch-block/throw combination. Judo has its own striking component, called atemi-waza, but it's only practiced as kata and only by the foggiest of old farts.
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Dec 22, 2021 01:57
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ihop posted:The second technique almost every judo player demonstrates to get their blackbelt is a punch-block/throw combination. Judo has its own striking component, called atemi-waza, but it's only practiced as kata and only by the foggiest of old farts. Yeah, but you better believe if someone comes after my tento, he's going for a ride.
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Dec 22, 2021 02:02
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Tacos Al Pastor posted:What schools are teaching this? Have I mentioned my previous gym before? Edit: lol judo has that stuff too.
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Dec 22, 2021 02:04
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Tacos Al Pastor posted:What schools are teaching this? Shouldn't a modern self defence art be mindful of the weapons that get used? Personally, I have taken a few gun grappling/knife grappling courses outside of my gym, and they were a blast. It doesn't mean that I am a self defence wiz, or that I'd like to be doing that during my BJJ time. It was like a fancy desert. Somewhat expensive, and not something I'd want to have for every meal.
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Dec 22, 2021 02:11
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Tacos Al Pastor posted:I dont recall Kano training his students for punches, I do however recall Helio doing so for his. Somewhere down the line in many schools, that aspect of jiu jitsu was forgotten about and more time was emphasized on grappling only. Judo has at least three kata that I can think of offhand that include some strikes, strike defense, or weapon defense.
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Dec 22, 2021 03:35
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I consider knife / gun disarming training to be somewhere between worthless and actively dangerous.
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Dec 22, 2021 03:45
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I got dropped hard on my back with a double-leg takedown tonight and even though I kept my head forward and didn't hit the mat with it, I still felt the impact real hard in my head and neck. Am I doing something wrong?
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Dec 22, 2021 03:47
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Marching Powder posted:I consider knife / gun disarming training to be somewhere between worthless and actively dangerous. It might be, but it might be lots of fun as well. Somebody fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Sep 12, 2022 |
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Dec 22, 2021 04:07
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I think something like having someone place a low voltage stun gun or an uncapped sharpie 5-10 feet away from me and whoever I'm sparring with, mid-roll, could be an interesting, practical and fun type of training.
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Dec 22, 2021 04:16
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well, i gotta take a day off this week and then maybe another one to three days off in i think two weeks due to some scheduling conflicts and i'm anxious about it because of all the time away due to covid. i had just been talking to the coach about moving to four days instead of three. i'm like junkie looking for a fix... tonight i didn't get to do the last roll because of the way the partners were laid out. i ended up with the newest student and he didn't want to roll at all because he didn't have any gas left in the tank. asked if he'd like to flow and he declined. however, i had one of the wrestlers after class help me with some takedowns so that was useful. i'm trying to look at that like a good wind down for a break and keep some PMA. it's not long term, it's just a few days off, and i can fill the gaps with some kettlebells and maybe some videos.
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Dec 22, 2021 05:03
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Throwing in my 2 cents here - a big challenge with the striking "defense" I've been taught in a bjj class is that most of your peers don't know the first thing about throwing a good punch (which is why we joined pajama hugging class in the first place). An mma class or dabbling in an actual striking discipline would get you far more bang for your buck from a self defense perspective.
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Dec 22, 2021 05:10
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Neeber posted:Throwing in my 2 cents here - a big challenge with the striking "defense" I've been taught in a bjj class is that most of your peers don't know the first thing about throwing a good punch (which is why we joined pajama hugging class in the first place). An mma class or dabbling in an actual striking discipline would get you far more bang for your buck from a self defense perspective. i think this is pretty accurate. the bjj classes i attend are in an mma gym and when the fight team is training with gen pop, i'll often ask them to show me striking and defense if i can get them in a roll. it's often been a real eye opener for positions that should be obviously bad In The Streets (TM) and it's been a lot of fun to mix it up. bjj is sometimes easier when striking is allowed, for example being stuck in half guard and trying to take an underhook: if they won't move their hands, hit them where you want them to move their hands to. works enough times that it's in my mental toolbox.
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Dec 22, 2021 05:15
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ihop posted:It might be, but like Drewjitsu said, it might be lots of fun as well. It's very fun. You've got the vast majority of the required parts for the job, you just need to reinterpret them a bit. For instance, controlling hands and access to the belt line/pockets is a big deal. Easy to accomplish with your existing knowledge (underhooks! High mount, etc) but not something you ordinarily think about when rolling. Also, grappling in 'non traditional spaces' (like a car) is also super fun as an interesting challenge to apply your grappling skills.
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Dec 22, 2021 07:19
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I started with MMA, boxing and BJJ, so I have no problems with striking, while standing or grappling. Now, I train mostly nogi BJJ and I just like to keep my grappling as pure grappling. If you want to add strikes to your BJJ, you should train some MMA on the side. It is good, it’s fun and really opens your eyes and makes you think about real life self-defense applications. Your stupidest BJJ moves don’t really work, when punches are allowed. On the belt promotions: My gym promotes when needed. We usually have some bigger seminar or party and the new belts are given at that occasion. If you cannot attend, you get the belt in the next training session. I told my instructor that we should concentrate more on giving belts in the big belt ceremonies, as we just had at our gym’s Christmas party. That way is much more fun and communal. I’ve been invited to join the belt ceremony two times and I’ve been injured and out of training both times. I suppose I’m almost a purple belt by now? Only thing that is missing is the belt.
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Dec 22, 2021 09:42
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I've had two coaches at two different gyms that will throw in some jiujitsu with strikes (and gloves) weeks. I love it. I never considered it self defense. I guess it is, but I just thought of it more like EBI/Pancrase kind of training.
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Dec 22, 2021 11:48
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Drewjitsu posted:It's very fun. You've got the vast majority of the required parts for the job, you just need to reinterpret them a bit. For instance, controlling hands and access to the belt line/pockets is a big deal. Easy to accomplish with your existing knowledge (underhooks! High mount, etc) but not something you ordinarily think about when rolling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8IVu8seNJY
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Dec 22, 2021 11:49
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That is so much more awful and hilarious looking than I expected. Looks like one of the rules of car fighting is somebody's head has to end up in the other person's rear end.
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Dec 22, 2021 13:27
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Neeber posted:Throwing in my 2 cents here - a big challenge with the striking "defense" I've been taught in a bjj class is that most of your peers don't know the first thing about throwing a good punch (which is why we joined pajama hugging class in the first place). An mma class or dabbling in an actual striking discipline would get you far more bang for your buck from a self defense perspective. To be fair, the average yahoo who's trying to start fights in public doesn't know how to throw a good punch either, and it doesn't take a professional boxer to drive home the lesson that hanging out in deep half will get your face caved in when strikes are on the table. This rules.
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Dec 22, 2021 15:06
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Okay so I want to exclusively train car jiujitsu now.
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Dec 22, 2021 15:50
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I told y'all!
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Dec 22, 2021 15:55
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My friend was in the last car jitsu that the local weird event hosting gym had (Valhalla combat?) . Other guy was able to take his seatbelt off faster and it was over from there.
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Dec 22, 2021 16:31
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So the tacticlol takeaway here is drill removing seatbelt and exiting the car while screaming every day
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Dec 22, 2021 17:12
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ihop posted:Have I mentioned my previous gym before? I trained under an old school judo instructor for quite a while who never showed me this stuff  Drewjitsu posted:Shouldn't a modern self defence art be mindful of the weapons that get used? This video where Tim Kennedy grapples with someone with a "knife", is pretty interesting to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ57yDFaEmg Tacos Al Pastor fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Dec 22, 2021 |
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Dec 22, 2021 17:19
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My school has a combat sambo class once a week because it's a way to stay connected to sambo's roots in military combatives. It's fun and it's cool to learn how to integrate grappling and MMA stuff into scenarios where, say, the floor is made of concrete or people can bite you or there's a knife/gun. (Not saying we spar on concrete or with biting, they're just examples of things you might have to think about that you wouldn't under sport rules.) The important part is that you actually do live sparring with things like practice knives, that's what stops you from getting the wrong idea about your ability to disarm someone. Generally the takeaway from a knife sparring class is "wow, I really don't want to be anywhere near someone with a knife".
Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Dec 22, 2021 |
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Dec 22, 2021 17:21
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