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Some Numbers posted:Is the movie or whatever X-Antibody is from worth watching? I think it's more of a curio than anything else. It's (as far as I'm aware) the only animated piece of media related to the X-Antibody storyline, but the animation is very dated and the story itself is unimpressive. Watch it if you want but you can easily skip it too.
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Ghost Game Episode 13: Um, holy gently caress. Well, I wasn't wrong, this episode certainly was a crossing of the Rubicon moment... I definitely did not expect for Gulus Gammamon to be, well THAT when he showed up finally. That was scary in a completely different way. It was almost a bait and switch even, after opening with Sealdramon as a slasher killer the really scary monstrous monster this week wasn't him…
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I like how GulusGammamon isn't just a crazed dark evolution. His personality is still present, just warped.
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Well that was a good episode. I love how Ghost Game presents unexpected situations every week. the knives in the head were brutal kills
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That's how you do a dark evolution episode.
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drat good episode this week. Out of curiosity, was that still the usual Gammamon VA playing GulusGammamon?
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Definitely. Miyuki did a similar voice with Kitaro when he was pissed, she has a lot of range.
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Justin_Brett posted:Definitely. Miyuki did a similar voice with Kitaro when he was pissed, she has a lot of range. Nice, Gammamon sounds surprisingly intimidating as a villain
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Larryb posted:drat good episode this week. Out of curiosity, was that still the usual Gammamon VA playing GulusGammamon? I want to say yes since unlike English dubs, Japanese Digimon series keep the same VA across all stages of a Digimon's line.
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Justin_Brett posted:That's how you do a dark evolution episode. Well that's the thing, they've never done one like this before. Every previous dark evolution had something to do with their partner and resulted in a Digimon that to a lesser or greater extent just went berserk. Gammamon's evolution very explicitly had nothing to do with Hiro (attention is drawn to the way that the digivice's normal evolution gauge very obviously empties, THEN he evolves) and he actually had a major change in character. It's a pretty major departure from the norm that Gulus Gammamon talked at all, much less had a distinct personality. I think the most chilling thing about the episode was the way he very explicitly disconnected himself from Hiro, going as far as to call his own attacks when Hiro wouldn't. That… Kind of didn't happen in any previous case. It makes me wonder a little about what the hell Hiro's dad is up to and why exactly he sent Gammamon to his kid. Given that the episode makes explicit the Digimon lifecycle I have to kind of wonder what kind of Digimon Gammamon might've been in his past life... Related to that, I wonder what the over/under is on Canoweissmon evolving after Hiro somehow reconciling with Gulus Gammamon or vice-versa? Gulus Gammamon was scary, but he also was happy to talk, had a philosophy of life (eat or be eaten), and seemed content to leave in something resembling peace before the others attacked him. Given Hiro wanted to talk down Sealsdramon even with that body count, and given that Bokomon's parting words were a desire for peace and understanding it seems like the next big turning point will be Gulus Gammamon having a change of heart and accepting Hiro as his partner. It would also be a neat visual for the black Gammamon to evolve to a Digimon noted for being a bright white. But yeah, that was a really impressive showing from Ghost Game.
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Chimera-gui posted:I want to say yes since unlike English dubs, Japanese Digimon series keep the same VA across all stages of a Digimon's line. Ah ok, I couldn’t remember if the Japanese version swapped out the VA for different evolutions or not. Also we 100% have not heard the last of GulusGammamon at this point (though whether they’ll eventually be able to control it remains to be seen) Larryb fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Jan 9, 2022 |
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Bare in mind that the only Digimon series I've watched in Japanese prior to Ghost Game were App Monsters and Adventure reboot so I could very well be wrong but that was my understanding. I do believe it is still Miyuki Sawashiro as GulusGammamon cause the voice is near identical, just not childish. And yeah, seconding Omnicrom's assessment.
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The episode was pretty good. RIP Professor Bokomon… to chill for this world
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About episode: Gulus seems fun. It's neat to have a dark evolution that's not berserk. I wonder if, like the digivice auras in Colon, the human partner calling out the attack names provides a buff or something? Gulus being disappointed that Hiro resisted saying it makes me think that it has some kind of effect. I also liked Gulus getting irritated with people saying he's not Gammamon. "It's literally in my name idiots, GulusGammamon". With BlackAgumon we're now up to three dangling threads alongside Old!Zassoumon and Dracmon. Of course it's possible that Black Agumon won't be antagonistic. About preview: Excited for Koemon/Monmon next week. Love that little guy.
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Nodosaur posted:Koemon hasn't had a starring role in... He had a tiny cameo in Colon and he was one of the starter Digimon you could get in Digimon World 3, beyond that not really
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I feel the fact that we learned about the Digimon life cycle in this episode isn't just because it's the first episode where someone died. It's trying to guide us towards understanding just what's up with Gammamon. My personal theory right now is that, in the past, he rampaged around the Digital World as GulusGammamon, before he was defeated and turned back into a Digitama (by Hokuto and BlackTailmon Uver, perhaps). Afterwards, Hokuto took the Digitama and raised the reborn Gammamon as his son in order to not allow him to go down the same path again, especially because he was aware that the Gulus personality had not been erased by his death. Giving Gammamon to Hiro was part of said plan, as a way to have Gammamon mature properly with a Tamer of his own. Betel, Kaus and Wezen are the proof that he can go down entirely different paths thanks to Hiro - but Gulus is still inside him, and resurfaced once Gammamon lost control of his emotions due to Bokomon's death. Fittingly, it's the only evolution where the human seems totally unimportant in, Hiro is not shown in the evolution sequence and the HP gauge of the Digivice-V-, which seems to indicate their bond, actually drained to zero. Spoilers for as-of-yet unseen evolutions, I agree with Omnicrom. Hiro may have to actually have both sides of Gammamon make peace with each other, as well as properly befriending Gulus, for his Perfect-level evolution. Canoweissmon is specifically white, which I originally took as it being merely the convergence of the other colours, but it may be there as well as an opposite to Gulus' black.
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 quote:Greymon X-Antibody  quote:Okuwamon X-Antibody  quote:GrandisKuwagamon X-Antibody are weird, as expected
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Is there like an "X-Antibody" card that you can play in the middle of attacking to evolve a digimon into its x-antibody form?
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The Golux posted:Is there like an "X-Antibody" card that you can play in the middle of attacking to evolve a digimon into its x-antibody form? Check my previous posts. Short answer, no, but there’s an X-Antibody card that you play under a regular Digimon that lets them evolve into an X-Antibody form when they attack
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The Bee posted:Theoretically, does Greymon X let your Omnimon X durvive an All Delete? I feel like you'd need two pairs of evolution cards, one to not go to your hand and one to not be deleted after, but if you can pull it off somehow . . . My guess is that because it’s a cost to return Omnimon back to your hand, not an effect, that combo would not be legal But the conditions are pretty easy to get. Greymon X on top of Greymon, and MetalGreymon Alterous Mode on top of MetalGreymon. There’s a decent chance we’ll see the whole Greymon X line too
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Are the x-antibody digimon from a manga? Ive never seen them in the games outside like, Alphamon i guess, which im not super clear lorewise how all that follows
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mandatory lesbian posted:Are the x-antibody digimon from a manga? Ive never seen them in the games outside like, Alphamon i guess, which im not super clear lorewise how all that follows Essentially there's two types of X-Antibody Digimon, "native" ones that normally don't have an indicator of that status in their name as they were introduced as part of that era(such as Alphamon), and then you have all the X-Antibody Digimon that are variants of pre-existing ones(which is why they normally have an X at the end of their name), for whatever reason Bandai and Toei have been pretty reluctant about including the latter types in anything besides the card games or V-Pets, hence why Alphamon and a few others tend to be the only ones to show up in anything
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mandatory lesbian posted:Are the x-antibody digimon from a manga? Ive never seen them in the games outside like, Alphamon i guess, which im not super clear lorewise how all that follows They're from the Pendulum X virtual pet that came out after Frontier and had its own (somewhat vague) story. The card game at the time featured all that stuff and introduced X digimon of its own, and there was a really bad looking CGI movie based on the general premise. There wasn't a manga about it in Japan, but China got one.
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mandatory lesbian posted:Are the x-antibody digimon from a manga? Ive never seen them in the games outside like, Alphamon i guess, which im not super clear lorewise how all that follows Basically in the story of the Pendulum X toys, Digimon Chronicle, the server that the Digital World is in was getting pretty old and full so Yggdrasil had trouble handling the load. This caused a Digital Hazard (what that is is unexplained but Megidramon almost caused one in Digimon Tamers so it’s not good). Yggdrasil decided to start a new server and brought over the ones it chose to survive. It tried to delete the rest using the X Program. Eventually the strongest Digimon evolved to deal with the X Program, developing the X-Antibody. The X-Antibody is stored in the Digimon’s core, which is essentially the Digimon’s code/soul, so it fundamentally changed the Digimon that gained it. Also, if a Digimon killed someone with the X-Antibody, the killer could take the X-Antibody for themselves. This makes babies and rookies that have the antibody targets for violence by Digimon that don’t want to die to the X Program. The X-Antibody is tied to survival instincts, so if a Digimon with the X-Antibody’s instincts goes haywire, so does the Antibody, causing them to “transcend mortality.” Basically that means if you kill a carrier when they’re desperate enough, they can actually evolve into a horrible monster (the only case of this is Dorumon line becoming the Death-X-Dorugamon line) which doesn’t actually a have a digicore (on account of dying) so it goes berserk and tries to kill and eat any Digimon nearby. The story of Digimon Chronicle and the movie Death X Evolution aren’t exactly good but they did introduce the concept of Yggdrasil to the franchise as well as giving the first look at what the Royal Knights are as an entity; a group of powerful vaguely knight themes Digimon led by Omnimon that answer to Yggdrasil with Alphamon as a hidden member given the autonomy to stop the rest and even Yggdrasil if they go too far
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mandatory lesbian posted:Are the x-antibody digimon from a manga? Ive never seen them in the games outside like, Alphamon i guess, which im not super clear lorewise how all that follows While they aren't FROM a manga as previous posts said, there are some manga specifically based around X-Antibody Digimon, namely D-Cyber and Digimon Chronicle. Both are pretty bad, but Chronicle is a super fast read (because it was made as a complement to the V-Pets rather than its own story) and in full colour if you just want to see some designs, and D-Cyber is terrible in every way which makes it an absolute blast to read (the art is horrendous, the story makes no sense, Digimon jump through evolution levels basically at random, it's great)
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https://twitter.com/digimon_tcg_en/status/1480947613738442753?s=21 Not cool tcg Twitter
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Thank you all for your answers! I am a bit...surprised they seemed to have largely been contained to the lore of a toy series outside some rare appearances. I hope maybe they decide to the world/story series get some of them, i do think a lot of the variants are very cool looking
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Also very cool thats where yggdrasil and the royal knights came from!
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 quote:Magnamon X-Antibody  quote:The Awakening of Gold Digizoid Magnamon X is one of my least favorite X-Antibody designs. A lot of the X-Antibody designs are just “Digimon, but edgier” or “Digimon, but more” and I don’t think many of them look good! The card effect’s neat, though. There’s also Pegasusmon and Nefertimon cards announced but they aren’t interesting art or effect wise.
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Magnamon X looks like a Gundam wearing Hulk hands.
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I like magnamon x  I like most x-antibody designs that aren't megas, though; megas tend to be hit or miss but everything below mega has a better chance of being okay.
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It probably doesn't help that I don't like Magnamon's design to begin with.
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girl dick energy posted:It probably doesn't help that I don't like Magnamon's design to begin with. Yeah. I think X is an improvement over base, which is just kinda long veemon with gold plate imho.
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Leraika posted:Yeah. I think X is an improvement over base, which is just kinda long veemon with gold plate imho. To be fair that describes a lot of V-mon's Armor evolutions(as well as Holsmon, Pegasmon, and Nefertimon), and considering how Armor Evolution is supposed to work in 02(where it's essentially a pseudo evolution with a much more limited boost to power than true evolution) that makes more sense than the Armor forms that don't really share much visually with who they're supposed to be evolved from(mostly the non show ones but arguably Digmon and Shurimon as well)
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