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disposablewords posted:I largely despise second-person perspective narration, have just walked clean away from books over it, and yet Harrow was definitely worth it. It was worth it though it was a bit of a struggle. I mostly associate second person narration with goofy fetish porn stories. "You are tied naked to teh bed and..."
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If bones and self loathing are your kink, harrow fits that description nicely
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The real pain is books written in present tense. Those are unreadable to me
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I think what makes the second-person narration in Harrow work is that it's pretty obviously a character talking "to" Harrow (I'm tempted to call it "second person limited" because I can't really find any other way of describing it). It's the same as the second-person narration in The Fifth Season (Broken Earth Trilogy) by Jemisin -- it's a character speaking to/about another character. It's not an (omniscient second person?) narrator talking to you, the reader, like in the aforementioned cheesy porn stories. I wonder if the reason people bounce off of second person so hard (or think they will) is because they're expecting/reading it as "omniscient second person" even when it's actually "second person limited" (or whatever you'd call those if there's a better terminology for it). Idk, I'm just really fascinated by how hard people react to it as a narrative device! silvergoose posted:NONA WHEN The pre-order listings all say September 13, 2022 (at least for the US)!
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Yeah, it depends on your experience with the tense, I think. It's interesting you bring up the series, because before reading The Fifth Season I had no real experience with second person that wasn't "choose your own adventure" style stories and didn't engage with the text the way I should have. By the time I read Harrow, I'd read enough to know "hey, who's speaking here?" is an important question to keep in mind.
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It was the continued references to The Fifth Season that convinced me to give Harrow another chance. I loved The Fifth Season, a lot. A whole hell of a lot. And I figured if I could deal with its limited second-person-present-tense PoV, I could suck it up and deal with it in Harrow. It took me a good 150+ pages to get used to it though. The sheer weirdness of these Locked Tomb books just compounded the issues I have with second-person-present-tense. I'll re-read both Gideon and Harrow when Nona comes out. I'll be ready for it this time.
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ConfusedUs posted:It was the continued references to The Fifth Season that convinced me to give Harrow another chance. I loved The Fifth Season, a lot. A whole hell of a lot. And I figured if I could deal with its limited second-person-present-tense PoV, I could suck it up and deal with it in Harrow. I admit that if I hadn't read Gideon, I'd probably have bounced off Harrow pretty hard and not come back. However, Gideon proved beyond doubt that sticking with the book was going to be worth whatever annoyance I had with the second-person stuff. That said, yeah, present tense is of the Devil. The Canadian Devil.
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yall are babies, present tense is fine it's literally just some slightly different conjugations, it's much less of a difference than a radically unusual pov mode
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That depends, are you talking internal narrative 2nd person present? I've had fun writing short stories like that but I imagine it would become insufferable in a longer format, or with multiple pov characters.
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People use second person all the time in casual speech. It's essentially just a displaced first person POV. In some cases it's epistolary, and obviously in Harrow it's used for a really specific reason, since it's actually one character narrating another's actions. I finally convinced a friend to read the locked tomb books and they now hate me because nona isn't out yet, RIP. What's some top tier fan art/memes i can send them??
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 Happy Landfill posted:Some more fanart that's Real Good  https://www.pinterest.nz/hadassloin/gideon-and-harrow-the-ninth/
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I don't think I'll ever get tired of Gideon's sunglasses. They're pitch-perfect for her character.
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I'm surprised there isn't a fanfic/fanventure of the Locked Tomb crew playing Sburb.
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MonsieurChoc posted:I'm surprised there isn't a fanfic/fanventure of the Locked Tomb crew playing Sburb.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:why do you think it's taking so long to get Nona out Look, if someone uses the sentence "Mobius Double-Reacharound" to describe the game of body musical chairs...
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I kind of wonder what classpects Tamsyn would give the characters (at least the major ones) C'mon, you know she's thought about it
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Gideon could be Knight of Time, she already got the sunglasses.
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This popped up on my Twitter feed https://twitter.com/ChillyWeirdo/status/1483498155534651392?t=RY-92CaA9khx5UvT3N0JCg&s=19
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Happy Landfill posted:This popped up on my Twitter feed And... pre-ordered through Amazon right now.
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Oh man, I hope there's a pin. I really like the tiny collection of Tor pre-order pins I've got going (it's just 3 so far).
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Has anyone here read Dai Dark by Q Hayashida? It's not quite necromancers in space but the aesthetic is incredibly similar. It makes me wonder if she read Gideon the Ninth and got inspired by it for her new series. Lots to do with bones and space.
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https://twitter.com/tordotcompub/status/1484541279535083524?s=21 Cover reveal next week!
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https://twitter.com/TorDotComPub/status/1486021043902816256?s=20 Please let the sword be the lie
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Please let there be a burger on the cover
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Happy Landfill posted:Please let there be a burger on the cover yes please, we dont need a sword on there.
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Also, I genuinely can't wait for Tamsyn to post her joke-y plot synopsis that sounds like absolute nonsense but in hindsight, yeah, everything she described did actually happen. Probably closer to the release though.
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I'm just gonna leave this here I fully expect Nona to be wearing a gas mask with a burger in her hand.
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There's no way there can be a burger on there. Burgers do not exist in the era shown. Wait. I totally forgot everything that happened. I better reread it again
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Memes exist. Why draw the line at burgers? Oh god, please hurry 27th
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The whole book is going to be written from the POV of a burger, isn't it. Things get really heated when Nona pours some hot sauce on it in act 2.
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Gideon casually crushing a burger between her bicep and forearm, for some reason.
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Someone in full skull facepaint trying to make eating a burger look dignified and failing. Possibly intentionally.
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I'm gonna guess burger, because burger, and gasmask to keep Nona's identity ambiguous on the cover.
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Burger with a sword thru it like a fancy toothpick.
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thunderdome winner