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Invalid Validation posted:I understand why they went for mystery but even in the books you knew who it was from like page 50 because he was the main character so duh. They purposely ignored him in the show to obfuscate him being the Dragon and did the character a disservice by not really giving him much. As for the show's approach, I think I agree with what a number of people have said elsewhere about this (the Nerdy Wordy guys on their podcast, for one), and it's what I have kind of thought since before the show was released: spinning a classic fast-paced whodunit/whoisit type mystery story, is the 'safe' option if you're building an expensive fantasy show like this ('safe' in terms of creating the highest probability of it generating short-term rewards i.e. decent viewer retention figures). You have a ready-made cliffhanger at the end of every episode if you want it: last shot, who is the dragon! Is it XYZ main character? Smash cut to black! You have a decent shot of keeping the casual viewer coming back for more. If the writing, direction etc. is a bit of a mess (as most people seem to agree was the case), people aren't going to have enough time to really notice the problems, and you'll still keep plenty of people watching because you're keeping the pace super-high and you're giving viewers a simple but effective-enough 'who is the chosen one' mystery to think and talk about (on social media! $$) week-to-week. Similarly, they dumbed down a bunch of the magic mechanics type stuff in the show because, what if people find that confusing and switch off? Ditto a bunch of world building stuff they don't go anywhere near, most hilariously perhaps, the Horn. The alternative approach would have been a much slower-paced season of TV which, like the book, tried way less hard to promote the Dragon Identity mystery (but you could still obfuscate it a ton by increasing the focus on the other boys and on Egwene and Nynaeve), and instead focused on building the main characters, and focused on slowly and effectively introducing the myriad concepts, magic mechanics, and wider mythology of the world, and showing us those main characters' initial development as they step out of their tiny village and into that massive and insane WoT world. However, that approach requires you to lean very heavily on the talents of your writers, actors and directors to produce a compelling slow-paced TV fantasy drama (though as I say above, if you were following the books closely, there's a serious horror/thriller edge to it for the first half of the season until they get to Caemlyn). It's much more high risk IMO. If you don't have some great writers, directors and actors working on this, you will just end up with a boring mess that people will switch off. It is what it is vOv I don't really expect any change in future seasons but you never know.
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silvergoose posted:There was absolutely no way they were giving an untested-in-tv property sixteen hour long episodes. Given that, I think Rafe and the writers did pretty well with the constraints. I mean, you'd think, but, LotR. Technically. They made a five season production commitment.
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That at least has had successful screen adaptations.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:Well he ain't wrong. Well, OK, he's right, but not in the way he thought he was right.
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DarkHorse posted:It's me, I'm the moron who didn't realize Rand was the Dragon until near the end of the books Books plural?
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Pleads posted:Books plural? The climax of The Dragon Reborn is when that mystery is finally resolved, after all  (Whoops that was a typo lol)
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Since they have 5 seasons are they actually gonna have a Bombadil now? It seems like they should.
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latinotwink1997 posted:Since they have 5 seasons are they actually gonna have a Bombadil now? It seems like they should. Bombadil and Golberry gon gently caress edit: the real answer is the show is going to be based entirely on the Silmarillion and I doubt there's anywhere in it where Bombadil even *could* show up.
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I hope they don't. Ever. Just to piss off people who are mad bombadil isn't in it. Because he's a stupid character in the books.
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Priyanka Bose saying season 2 should be coming "mid this year" https://twitter.com/DaughtersOfS/status/1483148300916248576
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Bombadil and Golberry gon gently caress They also don't have any rights to any visual IP produced for the Peter Jackson movies, because those rights are owned by Warner Bros, which is... unfortunate... since that's 90% of what a casual viewing audience knows of the LotR. Although that does mean Tom Bombadil is on the table. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Jan 17, 2022 |
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Priyanka Bose also said season 2 has more of Alanna's story coming alive in response to someone saying they hope she gets more screen time. Here's a link to the full 24 minutes, she talks about the show and her role and poo poo https://www.instagram.com/tv/CY12k86KpVH/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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Jan 17, 2022 20:39
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Interesting. When do we meet Alannah in the books? I can't remember at all e: two rivers seige?
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Jan 17, 2022 21:29
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Egwene's accepted trial? She's the one running the rings, and asks to share kitchen duty in penance.
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El Grillo posted:Interesting. When do we meet Alannah in the books? I can't remember at all Yup, in The Shadow Rising. She's hiding out in the sick house with Verin, Tam, and Abel. She's already messed up from having lost one of her Warders to the Whitecloaks while they were getting into the Two Rivers but is able to hold it together enough to fight during the siege and fry a ton of Trollocs.
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Jan 17, 2022 21:33
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She had some big roles in the Tower when Elayne/Egwene/Nyneave were training (before Liandrin sold them off).
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Gnoman posted:She had some big roles in the Tower when Elayne/Egwene/Nyneave were training (before Liandrin sold them off). Oh yeah, I forgot about that. She was part of Siuan's entourage during The Great Hunt and quizzed Nynaeve and Egwene about Rand while tutoring them in chanelling.
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Cool, that adds up. She wasn't bad in the show. Crazy to hear that they might be releasing s2 in about 6 months or so. Apparently they started filming in July and it sounds like they're still going, though I dunno whether they had a break because of covid. Also, lol at this: Rafe Judkins posted:“Loial [Hammed Animashaun]is not dead,” he told Entertainment Weekly. “He is alive and well and shooting in Prague. I wanted people to be a little on their toes, because real deaths are coming for characters that don’t die in the books. We have to, because we can’t hold 2,000 series regulars through multiple seasons.
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DarkHorse posted:It's me, I'm the moron who didn't realize Rand was the Dragon until near the end of the books Did you mean the end of book 1 or did it take you until A Memory of Light to realize it
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I’m sure she’s not privy to such direct information since it’s probably studio execs that say when things need to be ready/released but she’s probably throwing out a general timeframe from talk around set and producers and stuff. I mean, it’s a lot better than November.
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One thing I’ve been wondering about: When Rahvin killed Mat, he severed his connection to the Horn of Valere. But why didn’t that connection get restored after Rand killed Rahvin with a massive wall of balefire?
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A wizard did it.
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Alanna is briefly mentioned in The Great Hunt, as one of the Aes Sedai that visits Nynaeye and Egwene to give them some minor teaching. But she mostly gossips and talks about boys, particularly Rand.
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goethe.cx posted:One thing I’ve been wondering about : When Rahvin killed Mat, he severed his connection to the Horn of Valere. But why didn’t that connection get restored after Rand killed Rahvin with a massive wall of balefire? The connection to the horn is a sort of weird metaphysical state that is beyond the simple cause/effect of humans and the pattern and as such is not just re-connected when balefire winds back the effects of Rahvin's actions. At least I tell myself, which simplifies to Mad Hamish posted:A wizard did it.
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Mat "dies" two different ways in the series so if one doesn't fit right it is easy to just tell yourself it is the other one
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goethe.cx posted:One thing I’ve been wondering about : When Rahvin killed Mat, he severed his connection to the Horn of Valere. But why didn’t that connection get restored after Rand killed Rahvin with a massive wall of balefire? He also got hanged to death.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Mat "dies" two different ways in the series so if one doesn't fit right it is easy to just tell yourself it is the other one Eventually the Horn is gonna decide he's just unreliable and cut its losses. Can't stay alive to sound the horn, can't stay dead to join the heroes, probably off dicing somewhere again.
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CainFortea posted:He also got hanged to death. I thought of that but he arguably only almost dies. But I guess he could have died and been brought back to life by some strange Finn magic
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In the last book Artur Hawkwing explicitly tells Mat that it wasn't him being hanged that severed the connection (Mat's confused since he doesn't know about the Rahvin death, at least not fully).
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I've always kinda assumed that Mat didn't die die on the tree, because he pops back up after Rand gives him a very little bit of CPR. I guess it depends on what exactly one considers "dead" but he probably wasn't, like, clinically dead or anything. And, of course, there's also the boots on/boots off comparison to Caemlyn. Why did the latter break the Horn's connection? Because balefire is timey-wimey bullshit, obviously.
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El Grillo posted:Cool, that adds up. She wasn't bad in the show. Gotta game of thrones the Wheel of Time.
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goethe.cx posted:I thought of that but he arguably only almost dies. But I guess he could have died and been brought back to life by some strange Finn magic It wasn't magic. It was CPR. TSR Chapter 26 posted:he ripped the rope away from Mat’s neck and pressed an ear to his friend’s chest. Nothing. Desperately, he tore open Mat’s coat and shirt, breaking the leather cord that held a silver medallion on Mat’s chest. He tossed the medallion aside, listened again. Nothing. No heartbeat. Dead. No! He’d be all right if I hadn’t let him follow me here. I can’t let him be dead! As hard as he could he pounded his fist against Mat’s chest, listened. Nothing. Again he hammered, listened. Yes. There. A faint heartbeat. It was. So faint, so slow. And slowing. But Mat was still alive despite the heavy purple welt around his neck. He might yet be kept alive.
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CainFortea posted:It wasn't magic. It was CPR. Yes, but I guess that depends on how you define “dead.” “Capable of being revived using natural ways” versus “not capable of being revived absent balefire.” We normally don’t treat people revived by CPR as having died and lived again.
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cpr is knowledge from the age of legends so it was lews therin telling rand how to do that the same goes for the heimlich manuever so if someone chokes on food they might be poo poo out of luck
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Rafe Judkins posted:“Loial [Hammed Animashaun ]is not dead,” he told Entertainment Weekly. “He is alive and well and shooting in Prague. I wanted people to be a little on their toes, because real deaths are coming for characters that don’t die in the books. We have to, because we can’t hold 2,000 series regulars through multiple seasons. It feels counterproductive to me. Fakeout deaths do nothing to help "raise the stakes". If anything it's the opposite. We've already gotten to the point where it's not "oh no the heroes might die!", it's "oh no, the heroes might not get miraculously healed from the brink of almost-death!" which is less exciting. Particularly now that apparently even Egwene-not-even-a-Novice-yet has super healing powers.
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CainFortea posted:It wasn't magic. It was CPR. I'd never noticed that Rand tore away the medallion That's a neat little detail in case he channeled
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DarkHorse posted:I'd never noticed that Rand tore away the medallion The medallion doesn't stop male channeling though (that's why he was killed by balefire from a male forsaken)
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Nitrousoxide posted:The medallion doesn't stop male channeling though (that's why he was killed by balefire from a male forsaken) Lightning. Balefire brought him back.
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silvergoose posted:Lightning. Balefire brought him back. Whatever, ether way it doesn't stop the male half channeling so it wouldn't have mattered either way if Rand hadn't torn it away.
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