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Nitrousoxide posted:Whatever, ether way it doesn't stop the male half channeling so it wouldn't have mattered either way if Rand hadn't torn it away. Genuinely do not remember that limitation…I thought he asked for a way to be free of the one power, not just saidar?
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I don't think that's true, but I had to look it up to remember why:"Foxhead Medallion posted:The medallion has the ability to nullify both saidar and saidin. Its first protection from saidar comes in Rhuidean when Moiraine Damodred tries to Heal Mat from a drop of saliva from a Darkhound. Other Aes Sedai have tried to hold Mat with Air, with no success. Its first protection from saidin comes in Salidar, when Aran'gar, in the guise of Halima, channels at Mat. It is not known whether the protection works against the True Power as well. I remember Halima getting pissed at Mat and tried to do something to him, and Mat looked at her when the medallion went cold and saw she was confused before running off. I think he assumed she was Aes Sedai instead of Aran'gar The reason the lightning bolt worked is the same reason a thrown rock can hit him - it wasn't the Power touching him directly, just something the Power had manipulated into directing itself at him DarkHorse fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Jan 18, 2022 |
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Yeah, I thought he died of lightning because it wasn't a direct Saidin construct; Rahvin created like a stormcloud and the lightning was natural enough to pierce Mat's immunity. Same way he wasn't immune to the fire in a building that had been started by the one power or how he got hit by the rocks Elayne threw at him while testing it. We definitely see him immune to both halves of the source in other scenarios. Zore fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Jan 18, 2022 |
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Wait then why did Mat get toasted by the lightning then? Edit: DarkHorse posted:I don't think that's true, but I had to look it up to remember why: Oh nevermind.
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Yeah there was an entire sequence on the ride to Ebou Dar where Vandene or Adeleas flew horse poo poo at him and then let go of the power and it just went splat on his back.
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Zore posted:Yeah, I thought he died of lightning because it wasn't a direct Saidin construct; Rahvin created like a stormcloud and the lightning was natural enough to pierce Mat's immunity. Same way he wasn't immune to the fire in a building that had been started by the one power or how he got hit by the rocks Elayne threw at him while testing it. The medallion also works when he gives it to Galad. Demandred tries to fry him instead of fighting him with a sword and it doesn't work because of the medallion. Though Demandred figures it out faster and starts chucking rocks at him almost immediately.
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seaborgium posted:The medallion also works when he gives it to Galad. Demandred tries to fry him instead of fighting him with a sword and it doesn't work because of the medallion. Though Demandred figures it out faster and starts chucking rocks at him almost immediately. I love when he tries this against Lan and Lan just loving dodges them all.
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Rythian posted:Stabbing Loial only then to go "haha not really dead tho" in an interview seems so pointless. It's another fake-out death like Nynaeve's from the burnout and Lan's and all the Aes Sedai with Logain, but this one doesn't even get revealed in the show, but in an interview.
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I didn't say she was dead, I said it was a "fake-out death". Which it clearly was. She did a whole heroic sacrifice thing and then it was crying and wailing and sadness. The implication strongly being "oh poo poo Nynaeve died, sacrificing herself to save Egwene!" But then Egwene heals her with her tears and she's fine.
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She burnt herself out too, but I assume that doesn't mean the same thing as in the books.
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Collateral posted:She burnt herself out too, but I assume that doesn't mean the same thing as in the books. Have they brought up her needing to be angry to channel? Maybe the burnout will be some bastardization of her block.
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Rythian posted:Stabbing Loial only then to go "haha not really dead tho" in an interview seems so pointless. It's another fake-out death like Nynaeve's from the burnout and Lan's and all the Aes Sedai with Logain, but this one doesn't even get revealed in the show, but in an interview. He's literally moving in the show. Dead people tend not to do that.
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CainFortea posted:He's literally moving in the show. Dead people tend not to do that. Tell that to the girl in the Stone of Tear Rand found.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Tell that to the girl in the Stone of Tear Rand found. 
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Nitrousoxide posted:Tell that to the girl in the Stone of Tear Rand found. I was VERY SPECIFIC in the words I picked. 
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CainFortea posted:He's literally moving in the show. Dead people tend not to do that. He is stabbed in the chest and he collapses and goes limp to the ground as Padan Fain pulls out the ruby dagger that's been made clear to be extremely dangerous. He then has a few minor shifts of his leg as you can just about catch him in the corner of the screen. Of course he's not dead, but pretending that the scene wasn't meant to be a cliffhanger "he might be dead, tune in next season!" is disingenuous. Honestly NOT killing him is also dumb. Why didn't they kill him? Why leave him alive? They killed most everyone else there, they had plenty of opportunity. They clearly didn't have to rush away, Padan Fain had time for a nice chill expository chat with Perrin while sitting on the throne. Then they just strolled away in no hurry. I can buy them wanting to leave Perrin alive, but why not kill Loial? Maybe they'll throw in a "The Dark One has plans for Loial, too!" or "We need him alive to gently caress with the ta'veren crew!" out of nowhere.
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Rythian posted:Of course he's not dead, but pretending that the scene wasn't meant to be a cliffhanger "he might be dead, tune in next season!" is disingenuous. You also just ignore the fact that the same scene has someone actually fully and clearly dying on screen. They literally show you "this is someone dying on screen" and then specifically do not do that for the other 2 named characters who have been stabbed. It is not disingenuous. The complaints that it's a fakeout are though.
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Rythian posted:He is stabbed in the chest and he collapses and goes limp to the ground as Padan Fain pulls out the ruby dagger that's been made clear to be extremely dangerous. He then has a few minor shifts of his leg as you can just about catch him in the corner of the screen. Because people loving love Loial. They're loyal to him.
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In the book didn't people basically get turned into a puddle of goo if they even get nicked by THE DAGGER?
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Nitrousoxide posted:In the book didn't people basically get turned into a puddle of goo if they even get nicked by THE DAGGER? Not really? Rand lived with it for almost a year at least 
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Nitrousoxide posted:In the book didn't people basically get turned into a puddle of goo if they even get nicked by THE DAGGER? it was wildly inconsistent depending on the needs of the plot.
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Gwaihir posted:it was wildly inconsistent depending on the needs of the plot. ta'veren!!!
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Gwaihir posted:it was wildly inconsistent depending on the needs of the plot. I THINK only Rand survives it, and that's only due to some very extenuating circumstances
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CainFortea posted:You also just ignore the fact that the same scene has someone actually fully and clearly dying on screen. They literally show you "this is someone dying on screen" and then specifically do not do that for the other 2 named characters who have been stabbed.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I THINK only Rand survives it, and that's only due to some very extenuating circumstances And Fain. At some point he nicks himself with it, well after its been established that The Dagger is Bad News.
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Hes barely human at that point, to be fair.
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Ego Trip posted:And Fain. At some point he nicks himself with it, well after its been established that The Dagger is Bad News. Fain nicks himself with it right after cutting another guy causes him to immediately turn into a tortured mass of body horror. It was pretty clearly intended to show that he's enough linked with the dagger's evil that it won't touch him.
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silvergoose posted:ta'veren!!! Read this is Loial's voice
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And Mat, iirc. Fain pokes him with it in the last book and Mat plays dead. But I think it's just them, Mat and Fain because they're already tainted by the dagger, or in Mat's case maybe the healing prevents further problems, and Rand because the wound fought with the wound Ishamael left on him and he got combined saidar and saidin healing very quickly afterwards. Everyone else so much as scratched by it inflates like they're a giant boil and dies quickly and shockingly.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Read this is Loial's voice That was the intended effect.
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Spek posted:And Mat, iirc. Fain pokes him with it in the last book and Mat plays dead. But I think it's just them, Mat and Fain because they're already tainted by the dagger, or in Mat's case maybe the healing prevents further problems, and Rand because the wound fought with the wound Ishamael left on him and he got combined saidar and saidin healing very quickly afterwards. Nah, that's part of the evil mist which Mat was cured of (and I guess inoculated against)
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CainFortea posted:You also just ignore the fact that the same scene has someone actually fully and clearly dying on screen. They literally show you "this is someone dying on screen" and then specifically do not do that for the other 2 named characters who have been stabbed.
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I mean it was pretty clear though. The extras and Amalisa start burning with light and then their burny-faces go dark. They dead. Nynaeve got burny-face but she didn't go dark before she was healed.
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Spek posted:And Mat, iirc. Fain pokes him with it in the last book and Mat plays dead. But I think it's just them, Mat and Fain because they're already tainted by the dagger, or in Mat's case maybe the healing prevents further problems, and Rand because the wound fought with the wound Ishamael left on him and he got combined saidar and saidin healing very quickly afterwards. Hey, was the dagger still an instant kill after Rand blew up Shadar Logoth while cleaning Sadin? Because it's possible it lost that magical ability once the power source ceased to exist.
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jng2058 posted:Hey, was the dagger still an instant kill after Rand blew up Shadar Logoth while cleaning Sadin? Because it's possible it lost that magical ability once the power source ceased to exist. It wouldn't matter, because the dagger wound happens when Shadar Logoth still exists - it was directly over the wound Ba'alzamon gave him over Falme and their interaction is what gave him a clue about how to cleanse Saidin. That's also probably what saved his life! They and getting Healed soon after.
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Ogier are interdimensional aliens, I can buy them not being affected the same way as regular humans by the dagger.
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jng2058 posted:Hey, was the dagger still an instant kill after Rand blew up Shadar Logoth while cleaning Sadin? Because it's possible it lost that magical ability once the power source ceased to exist. Fain still had his powers, so maybe he was the new source.
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Did the thread find this already? There was so much traffic from the show https://twitter.com/TigraineMantear/status/1475527797795958785
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Skyl3lazer posted:Did the thread find this already? There was so much traffic from the show 
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well if that was charming this ought to make you retch https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/1483816527044304896
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