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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If morgase is in the show, she dies within that same season. I very much agree, if there is a plot thread you can trim its the adventures of the deposed Queen. Everyone treats her like shes dead, so her being actually dead isn't going to make a big impact imo. She should die at Rahvin's hands and/or you could trim that entire party by having them try to leave but getting caught up in the chaos. As someone who always thought the characters weren't really creative enough with rules lawyering channeling, I enjoyed the hell out of Androl, but he probably would have been fine never being given POV sequences.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:I very much agree, if there is a plot thread you can trim its the adventures of the deposed Queen. Everyone treats her like shes dead, so her being actually dead isn't going to make a big impact imo. She should die at Rahvin's hands and/or you could trim that entire party by having them try to leave but getting caught up in the chaos. Her being mistreated by Valda is kind of important to Galad's arc, though.
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Jan 28, 2022 00:31
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Her being mistreated by Valda is kind of important to Galad's arc, though. Is it though? Or is it just the memorable cap to that arc? Galad has plenty of righteous indignation about how the whitecloaks are that I'm not sure he really needs the extra motivation to end Valda and take command. There are plenty of other things they could have Valda do or imply that would serve a similar purpose even if it's less personal. I also really genuinely expect a character like Galad to have a much smaller background role in the show. I'm not sure focusing on that story for him is going to be a choice they'll make given the run time expectations. The idea that we know he's a truly absolute moralist who is able to see a need to adjust a bit for the greater good is an arc that doesn't need a rape/abuse layer to work. Perhaps I'm wrong given the presence of the whitecloaks and Valda in particular in the first season and they do plan on giving them a larger role down the line. In which case, nah i still don't think Morgase needs to exist past the end of FoH really. The Notorious ZSB fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Jan 28, 2022 |
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Given Valda's show characterization so far I'm sure Galad will find something to kill the dude over. Androl and Pevara's chapters were one of the highlights of the last couple of books, imo. I don't have any other experience with Sanderson, but I'm gathering a lot of the folks that hate Androl have issues with the author in general. There definitely should have been way more Logain PoV's throughout the series though definitely
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The Notorious ZSB posted:I also really genuinely expect a character like Galad to have a much smaller background role in the show. Pretty much this. Elayne aside, the Andoran Royal family don't have a massive impact.
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But what about Gawyn as a love interest for Egwene? I mean, they got Will Tudor for a nothing character like Barthanes. They certainly don’t seem to be skimping on eye candy for the ladies.
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Hexel posted:But what about Gawyn as a love interest for Egwene? I mean, they got Will Tudor for a nothing character like Barthanes. They certainly don’t seem to be skimping on eye candy for the ladies. Gawyn for all the hate around him is way more central to a lot of the goings on related to his love interest. He's the leader of the younglings during the revolt and that ties directly into the Salidar split White Tower story. His failures are astounding and epic, but they are also actually important to certain events in way that Galad simply isn't until the end game, where I still feel like the same outcome can be gotten to. His senseless hate for Rand is actually important motivation (as dumb as it is) to get him to those bad outcomes too, and in the show where Egwene and Rand were actual lovers, I think will crank that piece of it to 11 in a good way. tldr I think Gawyn simply has more to do that matters to the big story pieces than Galad.
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Jan 28, 2022 01:02
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CainsDescendant posted:Given Valda's show characterization so far I'm sure Galad will find something to kill the dude over. The problem with Androl wasn't the characterization, it was the Amazing Gateway Boy shenanigans. He'd have been fine if he was just a weaker Asha'man who was kept around to do scut work the other Asha'man didn't want to do, instead of kept around to do gateways.
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Jan 28, 2022 01:14
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Jaxyon posted:Doesn't seem to have Healing or See Ta'veren or whatever He has a bunch of meta-magic feats to do more pew pew.
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Khizan posted:The problem with Androl wasn't the characterization, it was the Amazing Gateway Boy shenanigans. He'd have been fine if he was just a weaker Asha'man who was kept around to do scut work the other Asha'man didn't want to do, instead of kept around to do gateways. Dunno why that's a problem though.
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Jan 28, 2022 01:27
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Pretty much this. Elayne aside, the Andoran Royal family don't have a massive impact. And Rand. He's technically in the Andoran Royal family. Just not related by blood to Elayne.
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Khizan posted:The problem with Androl wasn't the characterization, it was the Amazing Gateway Boy shenanigans. He'd have been fine if he was just a weaker Asha'man who was kept around to do scut work the other Asha'man didn't want to do, instead of kept around to do gateways. Yeah but the Amazing Gateway Boy shenanigans were really cool? Idk I get that it bugs people for some reason but I just really enjoyed it. Seeing that the Ashaman's lack of centuries of tradition and dogma frees them up to experiment with the Power in ways that the Aes Sedai refuse to is really neat, and the fact that it's expressed through a character with a unique Talent is fine to me.
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I just wanna see the dragonmount gateway dump loads of lava I can’t remember where.
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opening up gateways to the bottom of the ocean to use as a water jet cutter on armies.
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CainsDescendant posted:Yeah but the Amazing Gateway Boy shenanigans were really cool? Idk I get that it bugs people for some reason but I just really enjoyed it. Seeing that the Ashaman's lack of centuries of tradition and dogma frees them up to experiment with the Power in ways that the Aes Sedai refuse to is really neat, and the fact that it's expressed through a character with a unique Talent is fine to me. I'm with you on this one, you aren't alone. I enjoyed the hell out of it.
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The only downside to the Amazing Gateway Boy shenanigans is that they clearly should have used him to fill in Tha'kandar with lava once the fortifications fell and never did.
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Jan 28, 2022 01:41
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opening a tiny gateway in the outhouse so poop keeps appearing under mhaels bed 
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Jan 28, 2022 01:46
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yeah i thought all that poo poo was cool
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buffalo all day posted:opening a tiny gateway in the outhouse so poop keeps appearing under mhaels bed Brolander posted:yeah i thought all that poo poo was cool these two posts together 
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Jan 28, 2022 02:43
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The Google Maps View gateway was like  well of coursecourse at a certain point you're just doing a Portal mashup and lol that came out in 2007
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I think Morgase and Tallanvor is the best romance in the books. The dutiful, unnoticed soldier admiring from a distance and the troubled, former queen turned simple country woman 
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I think people don't like Gateway Boy Shenanigans because it smacks of Sanderson's deep interest in playing with the rules of magic systems until it comes to as wild poo poo as possible. But that was 100% RJ's bag too so I don't see it as a problem. It's one of the reason Sanderson was such a good fit. Re: Andoran royals I'm on Book 13 of my reread and I feel like honestly they can both get tossed from the TV show, they just don't matter enough. Galad does more but you only need him for whenever they get to the Last Battle if you want to redeem the whitecloaks, which you totally do not have to do. Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Jan 28, 2022 |
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Jan 28, 2022 02:56
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Meanwhile I'm crawling painstakingly through book 1 again and I just got to the palace garden scene. I'd completely forgotten that Elayne and Gawyn are supposed to be like 16-year-old kids and this should read more like The Magician's Nephew kinds of hijinks than "they are all 20-year-old action figure people" which is how I saw them by the latter books last time through
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Jan 28, 2022 03:21
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The Ga brothers did plenty, there's no way they get cut entirely. If the rewrites give them too little to do, they'll cannibalize even more minor characters to keep them around
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Jaxyon posted:I think people don't like Gateway Boy Shenanigans because it smacks of Sanderson's deep interest in playing with the rules of magic systems until it comes to as wild poo poo as possible. Yeah the Andoran royals did nothing in the end. You could condense all that poo poo into just, uhh Dyelin and Moiraine's sister or whoever she was for some drama.
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Barreft posted:Yeah the Andoran royals did nothing in the end. You could condense all that poo poo into just, uhh Dyelin and Moiraine's sister or whoever she was for some drama. i mean, Tigraine's youngest kid was pretty important overall That said we need gawyn and galad just for the scene where Mat kicks their rear end
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Wasn’t Slayer/Luc an andoran royal somehow?
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Hexel posted:Wasn’t Slayer/Luc an andoran royal somehow? Luc was Tigraine's brother yes.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:i mean, Tigraine's youngest kid was pretty important overall I meant the Caemlyn subplot for Elayne
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:i mean, Tigraine's youngest kid was pretty important overall Show version: “Embarrassed by their defeat, Gawyn elects to retire to the Two Rivers, of which he is the biggest fan. Galad is whisked away for healing by a Green Ajah and is never seen again.”
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:i mean, Tigraine's youngest kid was pretty important overall I mean, Demandred gets his rear end kicked by a farmer too!
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IMO the problem with Androl is that once you show that the gateway shenanigans are possible it makes you wonder why they aren't used everywhere else. You don't have to be a Magic Gateway Boy to make a gateway to a volcano, or under the ocean, or space. Anyone who can Travel can do that, once they've started appropriately Thinking With Portals.
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Too be fair Rand makes like a million shredder gateways, they just didn’t have good imaginations.
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bio347 posted:IMO the problem with Androl is that once you show that the gateway shenanigans are possible it makes you wonder why they aren't used everywhere else. You don't have to be a Magic Gateway Boy to make a gateway to a volcano, or under the ocean, or space. Anyone who can Travel can do that, once they've started appropriately Thinking With Portals. What do you mean? He goes directly from the black tower, ignored by anyone in power, to the last battle meat grinder. When exactly would there have been a chance for them to be used "everywhere else?" "Everyone else" in this case is like, what, the forsaken? The modern day Aes Sedai DO actually start to innovate with gateways, independently, too, which is shocking, from them. Also I agree with this post CainsDescendant posted:Yeah but the Amazing Gateway Boy shenanigans were really cool? Idk I get that it bugs people for some reason but I just really enjoyed it. Seeing that the Ashaman's lack of centuries of tradition and dogma frees them up to experiment with the Power in ways that the Aes Sedai refuse to is really neat, and the fact that it's expressed through a character with a unique Talent is fine to me. Yeah, it's also a matter of talent, likely, similar to healing. Some people are just Bad At Traveling, some people are virtuosos. None of the POV characters even knew about traveling until halfway through the series, so it's not exactly like we have a long history of "Well, the modern day AS say it's always done like this, and that's that." Aviendha I think actually notes that she's pretty bad at making gateways vs some of the others. Gwaihir fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Jan 28, 2022 |
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Gwaihir posted:What do you mean? He goes directly from the black tower, ignored by anyone in power, to the last battle meat grinder. When exactly would there have been a chance for them to be used "everywhere else?" "Everyone else" in this case is like, what, the forsaken? The modern day Aes Sedai DO actually start to innovate with gateways, independently, too, which is shocking, from them.
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Other channelers aren't so weak in the power that they only thing they can inexplicably do well is make gateways. So they don't need to make cool/creative gateways to kill/teleport people. Exploding a bunch of peoples heads using a bunch of weaves is much faster, more convenient, and more surgical then dropping lava from a volcano over an area.
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Gwaihir posted:Aviendha I think actually notes that she's pretty bad at making gateways vs some of the others. This is also probably linked to the fact that the first gateway she made was reflexive and she doesn't know how she did it. Meaning the weave she is taught by others is trying to relearn it a different way which we are told does not work as well. It's possible she accidently created a new weave for gateways that has different restrictions on either where they can be opened from or to but we will never know since she can't remember how she did it.
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bio347 posted:IMO the problem with Androl is that once you show that the gateway shenanigans are possible it makes you wonder why they aren't used everywhere else. You don't have to be a Magic Gateway Boy to make a gateway to a volcano, or under the ocean, or space. Anyone who can Travel can do that, once they've started appropriately Thinking With Portals. Why is this a problem? It's exactly what would eventually happen. It's like saying the problem with Mat inventing the cannon is that once people know it's possible, they'll iterate on the concept. Just a silly complaint.
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