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MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012



Invalid Validation posted:

I read The Tide Child Trilogy recently. I enjoyed it quite a bit. The setting is different. The characters are very flawed, it can drag at times, but it has a lot of heart.

I'm reading the third one now and really feel like it's dragging pretty badly, I think if I could level one criticism at the books in general it's that Barker isn't great at writing interesting scenes when the ship is just at sea being chased by enemies or whatever. What I'm sure is intended to be tense and suspenseful just comes across as tedious and repetitive. I'll probably still finish the third book, I'm maybe only a quarter of the way through, so I'm hoping it picks up a little bit.

I will say that the books do sort of unfairly suffer (as a lot of nautical books do, I'm sure) for the fact that I've been reading the Aubrey-Maturin novels in between the Tide Child books as they've been coming out. O'Brien is so good at making ship life feel interesting even when there's literally nothing happening, and Barker just doesn't have that touch.

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Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008




Definitely but when it gets going it really goes. The set pieces are real fun. The world is out to beat the living poo poo out of the characters and it routinely does.

Invalid Validation fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Feb 1, 2022

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Congratulations on the /r/Fantasy Stabby Best Artwork Nomination Baru Cormorant.

(for the third piece here, with the tea)

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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The awards are here if anyone wants to get involved. I only lightly skim the sub and it does skew fairly strongly towards its own tastes, but I find it worth following and occasionally subjecting to my posting.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I read The Water Knife and liked it so much that I ripped through Bacigalupi's whole bibliography. Any other recommendations for near-future post-eco-collapse bio/cyber/ecopunk books?

branedotorg
Jun 19, 2009

Invalid Validation posted:

I read The Tide Child Trilogy recently. I enjoyed it quite a bit. The setting is different. The characters are very flawed, it can drag at times, but it has a lot of heart.
Have you read the assassin books by RJ Barker? Similar style and heart although dark and a bit sad.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

zoux posted:

I read The Water Knife and liked it so much that I ripped through Bacigalupi's whole bibliography. Any other recommendations for near-future post-eco-collapse bio/cyber/ecopunk books?

First thing that comes to mind for me is John Brunner -- Stand on Zanzibar, The Sheep Look Up, The Jagged Orbit, and The Shockwave Rider.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY
I love Stand on Zanzibar but I've never read the last chapter because the final pages in the first copy I found had been eaten by rats and that honestly felt thematically appropriate enough to let stand

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

zoux posted:

I read The Water Knife and liked it so much that I ripped through Bacigalupi's whole bibliography. Any other recommendations for near-future post-eco-collapse bio/cyber/ecopunk books?

Bruce Sterling's Heavy Weather and Distraction might fit the bill.

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008




branedotorg posted:

Have you read the assassin books by RJ Barker? Similar style and heart although dark and a bit sad.

Good to hear it’s kinda the same I’ll probably give that one a go some day. Think I’m gonna dive into the black company first. I think I read the first book when I was young and I wanna run through it. Supposed to be pretty good right?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Kesper North posted:

I love Stand on Zanzibar but I've never read the last chapter because the final pages in the first copy I found had been eaten by rats and that honestly felt thematically appropriate enough to let stand

It seems to be a malthusian novel which takes place in 2010. I remember trying Sheep Look Up and not being able to get into it, I'm looking for more modern stuff.


Kalman posted:

Bruce Sterling's Heavy Weather and Distraction might fit the bill.

I'll take a look, though I recall Sterling is a little too hard scifi for my small brain

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Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



i wouldnt normally recommend a sanderson book cause almost all of them are like you already know whether you'll like it before i say anything. but the emperor's soul is actually pretty good and stands well on its own

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


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rocode
Oct 28, 2011

Meddle not with Mother Nature, lest you face her wrath.

ShutteredIn posted:

The Gray Bastards by Jonathan French.

I ended up utterly captivated by this book and finished the whole trilogy in a little over two days.

If the phrase "Motorcycle Gangs of Middle Earth" tickles you, or you just really liked the show Sons of Anarchy (especially the constant drama subplots), and want to read a purely tolkienesque fantasy interpretation, this series is for you.


Live in the saddle. DIE ON THE HOG!

moonmazed
Dec 27, 2021

by VideoGames
i misread that as "the gay bastards" and was quite disappointed to see i had missed a letter!!!

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
we're talking about books not your dad

A Proper Uppercut
Sep 30, 2008

I think I really need to give the Black Company books another try. Last time was the early 2000s before I could really looks this kind of stuff up, but I was really confused as to which books went with what. I had a couple omnibuses I think? But it felt like there was a bunch of different series' that kind of connected and I just remember liking it but also feeling kind of lost. If I wanted to give it another shot what would be the reading order?

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

A Proper Uppercut posted:

I think I really need to give the Black Company books another try. Last time was the early 2000s before I could really looks this kind of stuff up, but I was really confused as to which books went with what. I had a couple omnibuses I think? But it felt like there was a bunch of different series' that kind of connected and I just remember liking it but also feeling kind of lost. If I wanted to give it another shot what would be the reading order?

Publication order. I put The Silver Spike after The White Rose, and Port of Shadows after Soldiers Live, but they're mostly stand-alone.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
I'd honestly put Port of Shadows away and never touch it again.

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012



anilEhilated posted:

I'd honestly put Port of Shadows away and never touch it again.

I'm a big Black Company fan but I've never read Port of Shadows and probably never will. I can't think of a single instance of a writer returning to a character or setting or series after 10+ years away from it and actually producing something worth reading, or that adds anything to the existing body of work. I'm sure there's an exception or two that prove the rule though.

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Mar 31, 2009

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NinjaDebugger
Apr 22, 2008


MockingQuantum posted:

I'm a big Black Company fan but I've never read Port of Shadows and probably never will. I can't think of a single instance of a writer returning to a character or setting or series after 10+ years away from it and actually producing something worth reading, or that adds anything to the existing body of work. I'm sure there's an exception or two that prove the rule though.

There are, but Port of Shadows is definitely not one. Paladin's Legacy, the much later sequel series to The Deed of Paksenarrion, is absolutely worth reading, though.

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

Rock the Mok



A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


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tokenbrownguy
Apr 1, 2010

Finished Galaxy's Edge by Jason Anspach & Nick Cole on rec by a fellow lover of milsci. What a loving trashfire. The book itself is two separate stories, the first is a bunch of not-marines in not-Afghanistan getting betrayed by the shifty haji koobs. Lot's of ambushing the idiotic human-wave attacking koobs that are also a cunning, warlike people. So thinly veiled and loving racist I'm dumber for having read it. There's a lot of mil porn about how loving cool and honorable the Legionnaires are but nothing that actually makes them more neat than any thinly veiled American milporn murdering villages of women and children because of those drat KOOBS.

Buttloads of "them god drat liberal politicians appointing folks in the military that aren't REAL SOLDIERS" and "GODDAMN do they just not make things like used to" vibes. I can literally smell the loving 90s era milktoast nostalga these authors are huffing by the truckload.

The second book is some inane Star Wars wannabe poo poo that I won't waste your time on explaining, except to mention that it's almost 1:1 on character casts from the the OG star wars book, right down to the hairy dude who shouts but everyone can understand, the polite servbot, a guy who dressed as "a typical smuggler", and a loving princess. Some generic tough guy protagonist dies at the end to some backstory plot I was skipping through just to make it end.

Not even so bad it's good, just racist, reactionary, and boring. 0/5, will shout at my friend.

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

I've read every black company book and don't recall any of them to be completely dreadful

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

Rock the Mok



A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


tokenbrownguy posted:

Finished Galaxy's Edge by Jason Anspach & Nick Cole on rec by a fellow lover of milsci. What a loving trashfire.
...
Not even so bad it's good, just racist, reactionary, and boring. 0/5, will shout at my friend.

Laffo that looks like some of those trucker audio novels. Spent a few seconds googling the authors and one of them is screaming about being cancelled and the Radical Left so thanks for the warning

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


pradmer posted:

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Aggravatingly, the Kobo version is also on sale...for $19.

FuzzySlippers posted:

I've read every black company book and don't recall any of them to be completely dreadful

Note that Port of Shadows is the new one that came out a few years ago, not part of the original series.

MockingQuantum posted:

I'm a big Black Company fan but I've never read Port of Shadows and probably never will. I can't think of a single instance of a writer returning to a character or setting or series after 10+ years away from it and actually producing something worth reading, or that adds anything to the existing body of work. I'm sure there's an exception or two that prove the rule though.

Hmm. Diane Duane went back to the Young Wizards setting to update the older books with the "new millenium editions" and those are generally an improvement on the originals, but she's also been writing continuously in that setting since the first book came out. We'll see how The Door into Starlight turns out, since that is a case of returning to an earlier setting after a very long hiatus.

C.S. Friedman served up a completely unnecessary and outright disappointing sequel to In Conquest Born with The Wilding, but on the other hand Dominon was pretty good. Haven't read This Virtual Night yet.

Melissa Scott returned to the Astreiant setting after a more-than-a-decade gap following the death of her wife and co-author and reportedly those are pretty good, although they're still on my to-read list.

I also still haven't read Cherryh's Alliance Rising but I must confess to being a bit grumpy about it, because she finally returns to the A-U setting to write a book on one of the bits I'm least interested in (the formation of the Merchanter's Alliance) rather than the bits I am deeply invested in (like a sequel to Cyteen that actually addresses any of the big questions raised by the first book about the long-term viability of Union society, or another book set in the Compact, or a book looking at Human/Compact relations from the human side -- or from the alien side but in human-controlled space, or even more one-offs set in the far future of A-U space like Serpent's Reach or Cuckoo's Egg. Human-on-human conflict is literally the part of that setting I am least interested in!

ToxicFrog fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Feb 3, 2022

Eason the Fifth
Apr 9, 2020
Hey, they picked up the Riftwar for the next fantasy series to televise.

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branedotorg
Jun 19, 2009

tokenbrownguy posted:

Finished Galaxy's Edge by Jason Anspach & Nick Cole on rec by a fellow lover of milsci. What a loving trashfire. The book itself is two separate stories, the first is a bunch of not-marines in not-Afghanistan getting betrayed by the shifty haji koobs. Lot's of ambushing the idiotic human-wave attacking koobs that are also a cunning, warlike people. So thinly veiled and loving racist I'm dumber for having read it. There's a lot of mil porn about how loving cool and honorable the Legionnaires are but nothing that actually makes them more neat than any thinly veiled American milporn murdering villages of women and children because of those drat KOOBS.

Buttloads of "them god drat liberal politicians appointing folks in the military that aren't REAL SOLDIERS" and "GODDAMN do they just not make things like used to" vibes. I can literally smell the loving 90s era milktoast nostalga these authors are huffing by the truckload.

The second book is some inane Star Wars wannabe poo poo that I won't waste your time on explaining, except to mention that it's almost 1:1 on character casts from the the OG star wars book, right down to the hairy dude who shouts but everyone can understand, the polite servbot, a guy who dressed as "a typical smuggler", and a loving princess. Some generic tough guy protagonist dies at the end to some backstory plot I was skipping through just to make it end.

Not even so bad it's good, just racist, reactionary, and boring. 0/5, will shout at my friend.

i read the third one too - it think it's worse again and the setting skips back to a 'seal squad' type thing, then the one after seems to be star wars again.

i've read some derivative trash in my time and sure is that

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

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anilEhilated posted:

I'd honestly put Port of Shadows away and never touch it again.

Seriously don’t bother reading this. I regret it.

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

ToxicFrog posted:

Note that Port of Shadows is the new one that came out a few years ago, not part of the original series.

lol in my head Soldiers Live is still one of the 'new Black Company books that some people don't like' and it came out 22 years ago. I'm old. I didn't know there was an even newer one. It sounds like a confusing book.

xiw
Sep 25, 2011

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maybe i am scum

Cpig Haiku contest 2020 winner

if I could snap my fingers and switch forks of time I'd use it see what happens if the GOT money went into a Pliocene Exile series. it'd be probably be a disaster but I'd eat it up anyway.

John Lee
Mar 2, 2013

A time traveling adventure everyone can enjoy

tokenbrownguy posted:

a guy who dressed as "a typical smuggler"

lol

you know, dressed like a smuggler

wearing the clothes that smugglers do

the standard smuggler outfit

smuggler chic

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

John Lee posted:

lol

you know, dressed like a smuggler

wearing the clothes that smugglers do

the standard smuggler outfit

smuggler chic

You have to wear the proper attire. How else would people know at first glance that you're a smuggler? People see you on the streets with you smuggler 'fit and smuggler 'do and you give everyone your business card and in case they ever need something or someone smuggled. Social outreach is really important in the business.

Alternatively, it's just a t-shirt saying "I am NOT a smuggler" plus your phone number.

cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Feb 3, 2022

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






Poopelyse posted:

i think the goon-written Order of the Magi by Christopher Scott fits with what your asking. it's a fun fantasy read.

Amazon link

Just got this and so far it’s great; the senior mages read like the author took all the right lessons from Pratchett’s unseen university - echoes and similarities but not outright copying.

Sailor Viy
Aug 4, 2013

And when I can swim no longer, if I have not reached Aslan's country, or shot over the edge of the world into some vast cataract, I shall sink with my nose to the sunrise.


They won't have the SFX budget to do this justice. All the coolest scenes I can remember from these books are like, a wizard hurling meteors at 50 dragons or something.

GhastlyBizness
Sep 10, 2016

seashells by the sea shorpheus

MockingQuantum posted:

I can't think of a single instance of a writer returning to a character or setting or series after 10+ years away from it and actually producing something worth reading, or that adds anything to the existing body of work. I'm sure there's an exception or two that prove the rule though.

LeGuin would be a gold star exception. Came back to Earthsea after nearly twenty years with an attitude of thoughtful self-critique and reframed the whole thing with the later books, for the better.

In general though I’d agree.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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MockingQuantum posted:

I'm a big Black Company fan but I've never read Port of Shadows and probably never will. I can't think of a single instance of a writer returning to a character or setting or series after 10+ years away from it and actually producing something worth reading, or that adds anything to the existing body of work. I'm sure there's an exception or two that prove the rule though.

Wish me luck, then; I'm about to start reading the concluding volume of the Weirdstone of Brisingamen trilogy.

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Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I'm pretty sure galaxy's edge is derivative on purpose but maybe I'm wrong because there's like 25 short novellas and they've been rearranged a few times. I liked it better when it was less not-jedi and more vivid descriptions of Tax Day being a literal invasion fleet where the feds come and loot it off of your planet, because there was a bunch of goofy poo poo like that and it was funny.

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