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Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

SexyBlindfold posted:

Since it's considered a culturally significant traditional craft I think you can qualify for some degree of government support, but I have no idea what form it regularly takes other than it being some of the fields eligible for the title of Living National Treasure (government recognition as a master practitioner of some of Japan's cultural heritage disciplines, either as an artisan or entertainer), which comes with a hefty yearly grant and some additional perks.
When I first got into the show I actually assumed Gojo's grandpa was a LNT since he's a master craftsman, but reading up on it a bit more it's actually insanely hard to get that title since there's a limit of like 100 nationwide title-holders at any given time due to budget constraints, so you basically have to wait for one of the current holders to die off to even be considered, at which point you'll be duking it out with every other master artisan in the country. It's like craftsmanship Highlander and it'd be a great subject for a manga.

I'd actually be super interested in other mangas or animes that deal with traditional artisans in a modern setting, I was searching for some the other day but could only find Cuprum's Bride, which is super wholesome but only has 14 chapters out so far.

traditional carpentry is the background setting of Chiisakobee

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chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Darth Walrus posted:

Isn't Tomino now a Living National Treasure, or is he the next rank down?

Person of Cultural Merit, so yeah. Next rank down.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

there isnt a living national treasure category for animation or screenwriting, or even film. tomino's a Person of Cultural Merit, along with Miyazaki.

SexyBlindfold
Apr 24, 2008
i dont care how much probation i get capital letters are for squares hehe im so laid back an nice please read my low effort shitposts about the arab spring

thanxs!!!
Yeah Person of Cultural Merit is also a culture-related government recognition. I wouldn't necessarily say it's a "rank down" from LNT, but rather it serves a different, more general purpose. It's an award for achievement in arts or culture, the same as many governments have, and therefore can be granted to practitioners of modern or traditional disciplines, so you have novelists, actors, mangakas, scientists and game devs, but also artisans or performers of Noh or Kabuki theater. Living National Treasure, on the other hand, is specifically for "old timey" disciplines, particularly those that, due to cultural or economic shift, could risk disappearing (due to, say, an ever-receding pool of apprentices, or dwindling public interest or demand, as mentioned earlier re: Gojo's doll shop). Artisans and the like usually have a much lower ceiling to their max income than 'modern' artists and performers, so if you land the extra dosh that comes with the LNT designation you can uually stop worrying about keeping your workshop afloat and are expected to spend the rest of your career perfecting your art, taking in students, and maybe serving as a cultural ambassador. LNTs can also get Person of Cultural Merit'd, though it's rare. I think some Kabuki actors got the two-fer.

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Davincie posted:

traditional carpentry is the background setting of Chiisakobee

dope, thanks

SexyBlindfold fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Feb 2, 2022

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD
Enjoyed the latest episode of genius prince. The back and forth with the princess, each of them trying to out scheme each other, only for it to all fall apart because Some noble's failson offs himself in the dumbest way possible. Got an actual lol out of me.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
Realist Hero doing the foreshadow plot points thing is the farthest thing I want out of that series.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right
'Those Snow White Notes' is about a high school kid whose grandfather was a renowned shamisen musician and his attempts to follow in his footsteps but I didn't watch beyond the first episode. Apparently it pretty much turns into a Sports Anime with him joining a high school club, learning to appreciate/trust/work with his team mates, going to summer training camp to improve, and ends with the club competing in the big regional competition

Strange Quark
Oct 15, 2012

I Failed At Anime 2022

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

'Those Snow White Notes' is about a high school kid whose grandfather was a renowned shamisen musician and his attempts to follow in his footsteps but I didn't watch beyond the first episode. Apparently it pretty much turns into a Sports Anime with him joining a high school club, learning to appreciate/trust/work with his team mates, going to summer training camp to improve, and ends with the club competing in the big regional competition

It also ends in the middle abruptly with no conclusion. Feels like the mangaka ran out of ideas early once it became a school club thing

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

aside from the first episode and the ending, it gets too bogged down by the mediocre high school stuff imo

Strange Quark
Oct 15, 2012

I Failed At Anime 2022
Has the one cour sports anime curse where they try to convince the audience that a bunch of total beginners can place highly in a tournament with the powerhouse schools

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
it works better with tiny niche fields where there isn't much competition. everything i learned about shamisen music in snow white notes just made it all the more certain that it is dying out because of how expensive, restrictive and conservative it all is.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD
So is "In the Land of Leadale" a show about dealing with an abusive and capricious relative?

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



I'm glad I've given genius prince a second shot after I gave up on the first episode. The later ones have been a lot better.

Nemo2342
Nov 26, 2007

Have A Day




Nap Ghost

Kung Food posted:

So is "In the Land of Leadale" a show about dealing with an abusive and capricious relative?

The light novels are largely slice of life, though because Cayna is both incredibly overpowered and basically a child that life often consists of things like "oh I summoned a bunch of powerful monsters to carry the village kids around on a sightseeing tour". There is some world building and plot going on, but she's largely not paying attention to it in an effort to stay uninvolved (despite being connected to basically every mover and shaker possible).

The anime's been cutting a lot of that down, presumably in the interest of getting to the more typical isekai stuff going on in the background. Unfortunately that means you see less of her being chill and more of her interacting with her family, which is anything but.

"Capricious" is definitely the right word for her, no matter if it's the novel or the anime, though I think we're supposed to view it as more humorous than it often comes across. She also sucks at parenting, which really comes up in a later novel when she ends up adopting a young kid and goes full helicopter mom.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Kung Food posted:

So is "In the Land of Leadale" a show about dealing with an abusive and capricious relative?

I'm pretty sure that the family interaction stuff is supposed to be funny/heartwarming, but it mostly comes off as "this woman beat the poo poo out of someone who's supposed to be her son because he came on too strong(in large part because he hasn't seen her in 200 years)" to me.

It's unfortunate because I really like the premise a lot but the show seems uninterested in the family angle except for a few slapstick scenes and more interested in incredibly generic "look how cool and unstoppable this isekai protagonist is" scenes, which are fine but there's like 40 shows you can get those from that are doing them better than Leadale.

Kanos fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Feb 3, 2022

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
there's the seed of a good story there. the mc is detached because it is a game world, because the now real game world has left her behind, because she died, because she has extraordinary power that is completely unearned, because everyone she ever knew is gone, because she only remembers what are now her children as disposable npc pets, because her adoring children are adults who have lived full lives while she is still mentally a teenager, and even because she spent her life in a hospital and has no experience with anything else. but it doesn't look like any of these mostly excellent story hooks will be acknowledged at all. so, what's left is a boring generic isekai.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

there's the seed of a good story there. the mc is detached because it is a game world, because the now real game world has left her behind, because she died, because she has extraordinary power that is completely unearned, because everyone she ever knew is gone, because she only remembers what are now her children as disposable npc pets, because her adoring children are adults who have lived full lives while she is still mentally a teenager, and even because she spent her life in a hospital and has no experience with anything else. but it doesn't look like any of these mostly excellent story hooks will be acknowledged at all. so, what's left is a boring generic isekai.

Yeah I really like the setup and concept and started watching it for these exact reasons but I just get kinda disappointed when they spend an entire episode on "protagonist effortlessly owns some bandits with her level 1000 mmo powers". Gimme more about her awkwardly trying to be a mom to her kids who are mentally 200 years older than her, or about her trying to adjust to things like "having a working body" and "suddenly living in a medieval world".

You can even weave these things together with the "overpowered isekai protag" stuff, like her playfully chasing the kid around was fun and the bit in episode one of her sucking wind because she wasn't used to physically running around was cute.

Tales of Woe
Dec 18, 2004

the webnovel its from is 10+ years old so i wouldn't expect it to have any clever new spin on the formula

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Tales of Woe posted:

the webnovel its from is 10+ years old so i wouldn't expect it to have any clever new spin on the formula

I mean, old fiction often has interesting ideas that kind of get filtered out of the copies. Like the original Gundam had some serious consideration of the trauma of combat and how it'd hit the young that was pretty much gone by Gundam X (letting Eva feel more distinct), or how the original Dracula had a much better and more nuanced treatment of Mina and Jonathan's relationship than the adaptations.

Later generation isekai are often purely inspired by isekai rather than drawing from a wider pool, making them much less interesting, while older iterations might have some genuine original spark.

Not saying it's the case here. Just noting that going back to the roots of a fictional genre can often feel surprisingly fresh.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Kanos posted:

I'm pretty sure that the family interaction stuff is supposed to be funny/heartwarming, but it mostly comes off as "this woman beat the poo poo out of someone who's supposed to be her son because he came on too strong(in large part because he hasn't seen her in 200 years)" to me.
Kinda want to find the writer, give them a big hug, give a hot cocoa and tell them "A parent figure telling a daughter to pick the way that they will be violently murdered" is neither funny or heart warming. I know the series wants to sell this "Oh isn't that Cayna so wacky?" vibe but then it veers into some serious trigger warning poo poo and tries to pass it off as slapstick. You had a character literally in tears asking "What did I do?" Because MC was violent to her for no reason. Then show expects you to react like there was a laugh tract.

The hooks are there, but the angle of "These new people consider me family, I don't know what to do so I am going to react by going full Godzilla on them, teehee" sucks.

I kinda thought this would be a lazy isekai trash show that I could watch when nothing better was on, but bleh this show sucks. Honestly it goes beyond that, it's actively harmful.

Kung Food fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Feb 3, 2022

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

stop expecting anything other than gutter trash from isekai anime

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
i dont think a show being unfunny, is it being actively harmful. i think it's just. the show being unfunny. nobody is taking life lessons from a throwaway isekai anime.

Nemo2342
Nov 26, 2007

Have A Day




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Kanos posted:

I'm pretty sure that the family interaction stuff is supposed to be funny/heartwarming, but it mostly comes off as "this woman beat the poo poo out of someone who's supposed to be her son because he came on too strong(in large part because he hasn't seen her in 200 years)" to me.

It's unfortunate because I really like the premise a lot but the show seems uninterested in the family angle except for a few slapstick scenes and more interested in incredibly generic "look how cool and unstoppable this isekai protagonist is" scenes, which are fine but there's like 40 shows you can get those from that are doing them better than Leadale.

I never really got the impression it was supposed to be heartwarming, but have gotten every impression that the author thinks that wildly disproportionate violence is funny. Even outside of her family, Cayna was known for being wildly destructive; at one point in the Game Era (as the LN calls it) she wiped out a kingdom so thoroughly that the players refused to go back to it, even after the GMs restored it. Her small guild was apparently full of similar players, with only 2 members known for trying to be the adults in the room while the others were flying off the handle.

At this point, I'm going to safely call this an absolute failure of adaptation. I'm still going to watch it though, because I am deeply curious to see how they're going to fill the rest of the episodes with the little action content that's in the next 2 LNs (they wrapped up all of LN 1 by the end of episode 4).

Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild

chiasaur11 posted:

I mean, old fiction often has interesting ideas that kind of get filtered out of the copies. Like the original Gundam had some serious consideration of the trauma of combat and how it'd hit the young that was pretty much gone by Gundam X (letting Eva feel more distinct), or how the original Dracula had a much better and more nuanced treatment of Mina and Jonathan's relationship than the adaptations.

Later generation isekai are often purely inspired by isekai rather than drawing from a wider pool, making them much less interesting, while older iterations might have some genuine original spark.

Not saying it's the case here. Just noting that going back to the roots of a fictional genre can often feel surprisingly fresh.

Hell, you can literally look at Mushoku Tensei from last year, it's the progenitor of a bunch of common isekai tropes you see today, and yet, regardless of how you feel about the subject matter, it handles its fantasy setting and characters with so much more depth and care than most later isekai do.

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

MT got really popular and therefore influential but the author has openly talked about starting off by cribbing from what was already popular on Narou after not having luck with traditional publishing.

Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild
I mean, almost every story ever cribs themes and ideas from works that came before it, it's often in how it's presented, combined with various aspects, and commented upon. In that way it's a lot like a food recipe, all the ingredients are out there, but combining them in novel and enjoyable ways results in something that people enjoy.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right
Once a genre has been established for long enough the audience will be so familiar with the associated tropes that a lovely half-assed entry into the genre doesn't need to flesh out the characters or the setting if they're too lazy to go to that much effort. If you're watching a crappy cliched Western and there's a clean shaven guy wearing a white hat and an unshaven guy wearing a black hat your expectations about their characters and how they're going to interact are already baked in.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Nemo2342 posted:

I never really got the impression it was supposed to be heartwarming, but have gotten every impression that the author thinks that wildly disproportionate violence is funny. Even outside of her family, Cayna was known for being wildly destructive; at one point in the Game Era (as the LN calls it) she wiped out a kingdom so thoroughly that the players refused to go back to it, even after the GMs restored it. Her small guild was apparently full of similar players, with only 2 members known for trying to be the adults in the room while the others were flying off the handle.

At this point, I'm going to safely call this an absolute failure of adaptation. I'm still going to watch it though, because I am deeply curious to see how they're going to fill the rest of the episodes with the little action content that's in the next 2 LNs (they wrapped up all of LN 1 by the end of episode 4).

The reason I say it's supposed to be heartwarming is because they do bother to include stuff like her constantly patting Kartatz on the head or giving him hugs, and stuff like the "I'm sorry I overreacted, I'm a failure as a mother, you deserve better from me" apology from ep3(which is immediately deflated by her threatening them again).

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Once a genre has been established for long enough the audience will be so familiar with the associated tropes that a lovely half-assed entry into the genre doesn't need to flesh out the characters or the setting if they're too lazy to go to that much effort. If you're watching a crappy cliched Western and there's a clean shaven guy wearing a white hat and an unshaven guy wearing a black hat your expectations about their characters and how they're going to interact are already baked in.

To the point where something like Goblin Slayer doesn't even bother giving its characters names.

kater
Nov 16, 2010

Are y’all talking about leadel with all this? The show hs been nothing but charming and I can’t possibly compare any character in it to other ‘generic isekai’ because the show is just… not. It’s still pretty trash but like it’s about a dead girl and her adoptive npc adult children and she has an existential crises and hides in her bed until she feels like eating a donut I’m a big fan.

Tales of Woe
Dec 18, 2004

wit studio finally making a good anime

https://twitter.com/AIR_News01/status/1489162692174569474

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

can't go wrong with that director (outside of umaru)!

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

https://twitter.com/NetflixAnime/status/1489161747093233669

Bastard anime is Netflix

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
Lurklurklurklurklurk
The big question is will it look like Netflix Baki, or is it gonna look like Record of Ragnarok?

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

drat, no option but to be ugly as hell, huh.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

turn your monitor on

Tales of Woe
Dec 18, 2004

the director is legit but lidenfilms has like 500 shows this year so could go either way

Erg
Oct 31, 2010

yeah i need Bastard to back off so they can dedicate their time and energy to the real star: code black #000000 season 2

Strange Quark
Oct 15, 2012

I Failed At Anime 2022

Erg posted:

yeah i need Bastard to back off so they can dedicate their time and energy to the real star: code black #000000 season 2

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Tales of Woe
Dec 18, 2004

excuse me, its called code white #FFFFFF now

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