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TheHan posted:I always wondered why there weren't more sharp ki attacks. The kienzan punches all the way up from Krillin's level to god tier it's literally all I would use. They seem to require you to have a very thin beam in order to make it work which makes it much easier to dodge.
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Black August posted:I find it amazing that it’s Krillin who develops the instant-kill move and not like Tien thats because tien is stupid
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Feb 7, 2022 01:57
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Black August posted:I find it amazing that it’s Krillin who develops the instant-kill move and not like Tien The Crane School specializes in instant-kill (self) moves, not instant-kill (enemy) moves.
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Feb 7, 2022 03:41
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TheHan posted:I always wondered why there weren't more sharp ki attacks. The kienzan punches all the way up from Krillin's level to god tier it's literally all I would use. I think it's just really really hard to do Look at how long Piccolo has to charge to use a piercing attack. He can blow people up in half a dozen different ways in three seconds or less, but if he wants to poke a hole in something he's gotta hold his fingers to his forehead for like half an episode
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Feb 7, 2022 05:05
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Krillin is a ki genius worthy of punching way above his level, but I think his first and especially second death just kind of ended something in him that would let him become that
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Black August posted:I find it amazing that it’s Krillin who develops the instant-kill move and not like Tien I thought the Dodon Ray is specifially a piercing beam for killing? And yeah Krillin initially was better at manipulating Ki than Goku, hence the Kienzan or his Spread Kamehameha. He just couldn't keep up with the Goku power ups, though why the gently caress Goku wouldn't teach him or any other humans/ hell even Piccolo Kiaoken is just stupid. TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Feb 7, 2022 |
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Vizuyos posted:I think it's just really really hard to do Piccolo uses Piercing attacks much faster later on. He can just charge it more to give it more piercing power. Like in the Raditz fight he planned for the technique to use two hands to charge faster, and even then he had it charged enough to kill Raditz pretty fast, the issue was that he could only fire it once, and he needed Raditz not to be able to move cause if he just shot it at him Raditz would dodge.
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Piccolo could and should have learned kaioken on King Kai's planet but instead just sat around meditating
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Siegkrow posted:The Big Bang attack and the Genki Dama and- uh... I don't have a third attack- They are explosive attacks. https://i.imgur.com/lOeAqQ7.mp4
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Do the other universes follow the same rules of ki manipulation? Jiren and his mates seemingly just hit things really hard (the Bunny guy moves really fast while hitting, I remember Toppo using Ki and then Hakai though) as opposed to fancy techniques or energy blasts Does Jiren have like a signature move besides being really loving boring? At least Universe 6 and the others had wierdos with wierd powers TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Feb 7, 2022 |
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Feb 7, 2022 06:05
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Yes, he gets a glint in his eye and then his opponent loses for unspecified reasons. Remember when Hit dislodged him in time and he walked it off?
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TulliusCicero posted:Do the other universes follow the same rules of ki manipulation? Jiren and his mates seemingly just hit things really hard, as opposed to fancy techniques or energy blasts Toppo's primary move in the ToP was finger machine gun ki blasts, a couple of them had weird gimmicks(Kahseral made weapons out of ki to fight with, Cocotte could make energy domes to isolate people, that one dude had the finger nets that he could use as land mines or something, etc), and Jiren himself loved using big red fire-looking energy balls.
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Hit and Toppo were like 15x more interesting than Jiren (loving also Ribrianne was) and The Tournament of Power should have had a Hit vs Goku rematch, because that poo poo was awesome  Such a cool ending to the Tourney for such a.. bland nothing guy
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:Piccolo could and should have learned kaioken on King Kai's planet but instead just sat around meditating Do remember that Piccolo was only there for 5 days.
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Bet a powerful Namekian could probably push kaioken pretty far due to their regeneration.
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TulliusCicero posted:I thought the Dodon Ray is specifially a piercing beam for killing? Goku is scared King Kai has some copyright on it.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Do remember that Piccolo was only there for 5 days. Next you'll tell me Yamcha didn't actually wreck Recoome
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TulliusCicero posted:I thought the Dodon Ray is specifially a piercing beam for killing? I bet he was worried what they'd do to their bodies with kaioken. Piccolo could probably take it, Tien would try to x10 with the first 5 minutes of learning and shred his muscles into mulch. Saiyans are made of tougher stuff.
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I call BS on inherent Saiyan supremacy vs humans thing once you remove the oozaru and other possibility of racial transformations like Super Saiyan. The real edge they all have on everyone else is they and Beerus/Whis are the only people depicted eating nearly enough to cultivate mass and we all know more mass is more power. That’s just physics. Force feed krilllin goku portions starting back in DB and he’d probably be on par with Android 18 when they met.
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Goku is a bad teacher he’d just kill anyone he taught the Kaioken to
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For 'sharp' Ki attacks you have Zamasu/Goku Black with the hand blade thingy.CharlestonJew posted:Goku is a bad teacher he’d just kill anyone he taught the Kaioken to
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the kaioken is cooler than super saiyan imo
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Sextro posted:
IIRC Krillin was a big eater the first time we see him actually train hard under Roshi (and maybe after the first tournament too?).
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:the kaioken is cooler than super saiyan imo agreed funny thing I just realized: since Freiza's 4th form is actually his base form, that means we go backwards with the 3rd being his first attempt to power down, followed by the 2nd and then the 1st which makes some visual sense, since the 3rd form is a horrible monster that clearly looks like someone's first try to transform to a lesser form, and then the 2nd is way better but still gigantic, and finally his 1st form looks like his 4th, just opened up and unarmored
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I thought Form 1 was his “normal” self and everything after that was something he designed. His dad looks like form 1 and after getting regenerated in ROF he defaults to that, and also iirc the Broly movie has kid Frieza looking the most like form 1.
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Black August posted:agreed I like how Frieza's actually had character development in Super Broly where he A: sits in his base form at all times because he's found a comfort level with himself being a powerful mutant of his species, and doesn't feel the need to power-down anymore B. Actively trains to get stronger and revels in the thrill of a fight now, even if some of his old sadistic impulses come out. C. No longer seeks immortality at all because that would make his hate/ rivalry with Goku boring, just wants to be taller and a little more imposing Also it's funny how Frieza evolved past the need for underwear
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dude is just loving naked 24/7 and nobody is going to call this Emperor on having no clothes
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Last Celebration posted:I thought Form 1 was his “normal” self and everything after that was something he designed. His dad looks like form 1 and after getting regenerated in ROF he defaults to that, and also iirc the Broly movie has kid Frieza looking the most like form 1. Nah, he stated that all his other forms were just containing what he typically looks like now. Plus when he told his minions he wanted to wish to be taller, they told him to just change forms, and he said he wanted it in his original form.
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He even stopped calling Goku "Monkey" as much and refers to him by name directly. I think that's the closest Frieza has ever gotten to respect for someone else.
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Black August posted:dude is just loving naked 24/7 and nobody is going to call this Emperor on having no clothes every week some guy gets exploded since he thinks freeza will respect him for calling out that he’s naked.
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TulliusCicero posted:He even stopped calling Goku "Monkey" as much and refers to him by name directly. I think that's the closest Frieza has ever gotten to respect for someone else. he's madly in fightlove and it's going to irradiate him worse as time goes on, it's why when he wishes to replace the Zens he won't just erase Goku, he'll want him to become insanely powerful going through all the Destroyers and Angels and then finally he'll get to recreate Namek with him fighting brutal and cosmic peak everything about Freiza is informed by him wanting to chase the semiliteral dragons of that Namek high
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:the kaioken is cooler than super saiyan imo What if you combined the two?
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the anime combining the kaioken with super saiyan blue is why the anime is the superior version of super imo
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it just makes sense it also makes MUI even more of a sell because you can imagine a x20 on top of a mastered Blue is insane enough to push him towards that limit break, and it feels like a callback to OG Super Saiyan, which I always thought was meant to have happened because Goku was so insistent about pushing the Kaioken way the hell beyond its original intentions
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:the kaioken is cooler than super saiyan imo It sure is. Super Saiyan is just a big giant powerup with no drawbacks to speak of besides a nebulous "it takes a lot of stamina" constraint, whereas Kaioken is consistently depicted as being this horribly dangerous devil's bargain that powers you the gently caress up right now but at a devastating cost so there's always some kind of tension when it's being used. 16-bit Butt-Head posted:the anime combining the kaioken with super saiyan blue is why the anime is the superior version of super imo SSB Kaioken is cool as gently caress, I think even cooler than UI, and one of my favorite scenes in the show is during the U6 vs U7 tournament when he goes apeshit with it for the first time against Hit and then his entire body basically explodes after the fact like "ha ha, wow, I really should not have loving done that"
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A less gag Dragon Ball could have kept following up on the whole idea of deep horrible rage when Super Saiyan, like Goku and Gohan showed all of once. It doesn't have to be a psycho form, but it could have stood to be a slightly more marked personality change. Chi Chi might have been entirely validated in feeling freaked out if Goku and Gohan in Super Saiyan 24/7 was like being around uncomfortable alt versions of your husband and son.
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Kanos posted:It sure is. Super Saiyan is just a big giant powerup with no drawbacks to speak of besides a nebulous "it takes a lot of stamina" constraint, whereas Kaioken is consistently depicted as being this horribly dangerous devil's bargain that powers you the gently caress up right now but at a devastating cost so there's always some kind of tension when it's being used. i agree with all of this
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Black August posted:which makes some visual sense, since the 3rd form is a horrible monster that clearly looks like someone's first try to transform to a lesser form, and then the 2nd is way better but still gigantic, and finally his 1st form looks like his 4th, just opened up and unarmored Yea, 3rd form is like something he made when he was 12 - trying to create something cool and sweet.
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Electric Phantasm posted:What if you combined the two? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edV7GojXMPY
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Electric Phantasm posted:What if you combined the two? I think it he did that with normal SSJ he'd explode into meaty chunks. He can do it in SSB because of the ki control that form already demands.
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