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Grimthwacker posted:So I'm guessing these FFXIV "graphical updates" are going to be like taking your character from Phantasy Star Online 2 to PSO2 New Genesis? Same basic model, just more detailed and with better shaders/effects? That's what I get from looking at these pictures. (I don't play FFXIV, just making a comparison to something I do play). Yeah, but not too detailed cause that be weird as hell. The NPCs too, but their improvements aren't happening at the same time.
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Grimthwacker posted:So I'm guessing these FFXIV "graphical updates" are going to be like taking your character from Phantasy Star Online 2 to PSO2 New Genesis? Same basic model, just more detailed and with better shaders/effects? That's what I get from looking at these pictures. (I don't play FFXIV, just making a comparison to something I do play). That's what they said, yeah. We don't know exactly how far they're aiming to push it, since those shots were only after a month of dev work and the scenery was over-exaggerated, so we don't know if it'll be as big of an upgrade as the PSO2 one was.
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Feb 19, 2022 17:25
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They literally said that the graphics will never match the quality of other main line titles. They also said that because the improvements will happen in stages that some NPCs will improve before others and that if the two NPCs are in the same cutscene please don't make fun of the lesser quality one. I'm personally hoping for a "Squall the most handsome guy here" moment.
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Feb 19, 2022 17:27
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Part of what makes Kefka endearing is seeing him grow in parallel with the heroes. He starts as a Saturday morning "curses foiled again" type, but over the course of the World of Balance you see him doing more and more overtly heinous stuff, and finding ever greater sources of power until he's smoking magicites like crack, all culminating in killing the previously established evil emperor main villain and assimilating the powers of God. A lot of the other big villains that came before him are pretty established characters. They're fairly static. Yeah they have big plans to destroy the world, but there's not a sense that they're going through their own villainous hero's journey. The closest equivalent are stuff like Garland becoming Chaos or Emperor Palamecia conquering Hell, where it's more like they flip a switch and go from regular villain to anime supervillain with no in between. Kefka is a bit more gradual, you fight him a good few times and each time he's got a few more tricks and is a little bit less of just a joke.
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Feb 19, 2022 17:38
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Twelve by Pies posted:Kuja completely destroyed the world of Terra. And if you're going to count the World of Ruin as "destroyed" when many towns like Jidoor are totally fine and there's plenty of people around, then Emperor Mateus and Yu Yevon destroyed the world just as much. Honestly I think Yu Yevon might be at the top because not only did he succeed in reducing the world to rubble, he also managed to keep the survivors from rebuilding their world for a thousand years of constant misery and suffering.
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Feb 19, 2022 17:42
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Is it fair to call Yu Yevon a villain at all when he ceased being a conscious, thinking being long before we even see him? The fact Kefka won definitely isn't enough to make him special anymore but how his victory is presented is pretty impressive to this day. We get to see and appreciate the World of Ruin in FFVI, unlike in FFXV.
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Feb 19, 2022 17:50
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As fair as it is to call evil cloud or evil tree a villain I guess There was already a game that let you stew in your failure to save the world before VI. SmtI
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Feb 19, 2022 17:52
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NikkolasKing posted:Is it fair to call Yu Yevon a villain at all when he ceased being a conscious, thinking being long before we even see him? I consider the villain of X to be Yevonism itself rather than any single entity. So killing Yu Yevon is less like killing the villain themselves, and more landing a direct hit on the villain's glowing weak spot. It's like of your solution to dealing with the overarching power of the Catholic Church was to find Jesus' dead body and cut his head off.
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Feb 19, 2022 17:56
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Honestly I think Yu Yevon might be at the top because not only did he succeed in reducing the world to rubble, he also managed to keep the survivors from rebuilding their world for a thousand years of constant misery and suffering. He was also an active threat that constantly showed up to destroy things. Kefka uses the Light of Judgment once, guess he's too busy being a complete loser to do anything. NikkolasKing posted:The fact Kefka won definitely isn't enough to make him special anymore but how his victory is presented is pretty impressive to this day. We get to see and appreciate the World of Ruin in FFVI, unlike in FFXV. Only because Kefka did a poo poo job at destroying the world. Meanwhile the Ten Wise Men in Star Ocean 2 completely loving obliterate Expel, it's gone completely, an entire planet reduced to space dust. That's how you destroy a world, but hey maybe Kefka just wasn't powerful enough to actually destroy it, he was just playing at being a god. Meanwhile actual gods look at how pathetic he is and laugh.
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Feb 19, 2022 18:20
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didn't kefka just mostly move things around
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Feb 19, 2022 18:30
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It wasn't so bad under Kefka, at least the Phantom Trains ran on time
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Feb 19, 2022 18:31
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Kefkas apex bad guy moment being pushing statues around was highly lol. All the threat and menace of a Zelda dingeon
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Feb 19, 2022 18:38
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roomtone posted:didn't kefka just mostly move things around I think the only thing Kefka managed to successfully destroy was uh...Tzen? Like every other town from the World of Balance still exists and is doing fine. So yeah mostly he just moved some land masses around and put the Serpent Trench above water and called it a day, he didn't destroy a loving thing.
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Feb 19, 2022 18:49
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Shadow moved the statues to pin Kefka between them so really Shadow is also responsible for ending the world and thus saving him makes your party the villains. Then again this is the game where people actively promote poisoning Cid so they can watch Celes attempt suicide so maybe FF6 is just a game for sick fucks.
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Feb 19, 2022 18:51
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Twelve by Pies posted:Kuja completely destroyed the world of Terra. And if you're going to count the World of Ruin as "destroyed" when many towns like Jidoor are totally fine and there's plenty of people around, then Emperor Mateus and Yu Yevon destroyed the world just as much. This is difficult to argue with. I concede. Kefka still owns though. I love my melted brain magitec clown wizard.
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Feb 19, 2022 18:52
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She was cliff diving to cheer herself up
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Twelve by Pies posted:I think the only thing Kefka managed to successfully destroy was uh...Tzen? Like every other town from the World of Balance still exists and is doing fine. Vector is gone gone, and Narshe has one person in it but I don't know if that's him judging it or monsters just killing everyone.
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Feb 19, 2022 18:53
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Gaius Marius posted:Kefkas apex bad guy moment being pushing statues around was highly lol. All the threat and menace of a Zelda dingeon Hey bud the OoT forest dungeon was pretty threatening when I was 8
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roomtone posted:didn't kefka just mostly move things around half of dominating the world is just showing up the other half is moving things around
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Feb 19, 2022 18:55
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Veldt City is also pretty hosed. Figaro Castle spends a year underground and everyone almost suffocates. Jidoor's fine because it's a bunch of rich people.
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Feb 19, 2022 18:55
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Arist posted:It wasn't so bad under Kefka, at least the Phantom Trains ran on time 
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Twelve by Pies posted:I think the only thing Kefka managed to successfully destroy was uh...Tzen? Like every other town from the World of Balance still exists and is doing fine. there's some orphans in mobliz that would like to speak to you
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And yeah by the time Kefka misaligns the magic statues he has completely lost all sense of sanity. He's the Joker doesn't want to kill everyone, he wants to crush all their hopes and ambitions and force them to live in constant fear and chaos. After he destroys the World of Balance he's mostly just hanging out making sure none of the regular people rebel. And he also does kill a shitload of people. Yeah most of the towns still exist but they're definitely not "fine". They're living in constant terror and tons of their loved ones fell into the cracks in the earth caused by the world getting all hosed up.
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Feb 19, 2022 19:01
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Gaius Marius posted:Vector is gone gone, and Narshe has one person in it but I don't know if that's him judging it or monsters just killing everyone. Ah yeah I forgot about Vector. Narshe doesn't have the "destroyed building" tiles like Tzen does so I think it's just everyone there got killed by monsters, rather than Kefka judging it. DrPossum posted:there's some orphans in mobliz that would like to speak to you Sorry I'm too busy getting fame and fortune in the coliseum. Elephant Ambush posted:After he destroys the World of Balance he's mostly just hanging out making sure none of the regular people rebel. Well he sure did a terrible job of that.
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Yeah but again, Kuja caused huge casualties in every major settlement of FF9 and Yu Yevon caused the entire world to worship a death cult and live in fear of dying at any moment for a thousand years. Caius managed to ruin the world beyond all repair to the point that God has to remake the world, while Kefka's defeat managed to make the world slowly heal almost instantly. Kefka just isn't that impressive beyond haha funny clown man turning out to be the main villain. People say Sephiroth is the most overrated villain in the series but I'd argue Kefka is a close contender for that position.
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I think we're running into the simple technological limitations of the era. And besides, while not everything is destroyed, that's only because Kefka wants people to live in fear and terror. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtWRnI_fhuM The only option is that or they end up like the Fanatics at the tower, joining him in his nihilistic madness.
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NikkolasKing posted:I think we're running into the simple technological limitations of the era. I was hoping nobody would call that out but yeah I'm well aware that there's only so much ruin they could show given the size of SNES carts and palette requirements.  I do think that Narshe lacking the "destroyed building" tiles that Tzen has is enough to say that Narshe didn't get fried, though. I forget, does Narshe have random encounters in the town area in the WoR?
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Twelve by Pies posted:Well he sure did a terrible job of that. I said regular people!
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Narshe had encounters
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The main character of X is actually the Fayth
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Yeah but again, Kuja caused huge casualties in every major settlement of FF9 and Yu Yevon caused the entire world to worship a death cult and live in fear of dying at any moment for a thousand years. Caius managed to ruin the world beyond all repair to the point that God has to remake the world, while Kefka's defeat managed to make the world slowly heal almost instantly. Kuja only did that because he was explicitly thwarted in everything he actually wanted. He threw a giant temper tantrum. Not exactly intimidating or impressive in a villainous sense. As for Yu Yevon, meh. That wasn't his intention at all so again I'm reluctant to call him a villain.
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Asterite34 posted:Part of what makes Kefka endearing is seeing him grow in parallel with the heroes. He starts as a Saturday morning "curses foiled again" type, but over the course of the World of Balance you see him doing more and more overtly heinous stuff The first time you see him at all is him using the slave crown on Terra and proceeding to have her slaughter a shitload of soldiers to see how strong she is. Then the first time you meet him in person he tries to burn a castle to the ground to force compliance, with his second appearance being when he kills an entire castle's population. He acts like a goofball while repeatedly committing/attempting mass murder and genocide. I never did get the whole "moving the statues alters the world" thing though. The statues were living beings for an undefined people of time and I doubt the world constantly had massive tectonic shifts every time one of them moved here or there.
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Mega64 posted:Jidoor's fine because it's a bunch of rich people. The most real life accurate event in ff6
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I think the idea is that in some sense the statues were a pillar of reality. Keeping them in balance kept everything together but once they get moved around it starts messing with the fabric of reality, represented with the tectonic shifts. That doesn't exactly gel with anything else in the story except that scene but I don't think the metaphysics of VI's world are particularly well thought out.
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I thought it was just the huge amount of magic they put out, and the way they were positioned balances it out. Like on the floating continent you can see blue swirling going in between the statues and when they're moved it all goes nuts. Edit: that's what the wiki says, maybe I'll look in the ultimania later. PneumonicBook fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Feb 19, 2022 |
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I think that's about it. they don't get too in depth about it.
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Even the floating continent itself gets no explanation. Just gets a pass cause sky islands are cool
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Sky islands are cool though
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PneumonicBook posted:I thought it was just the huge amount of magic they put out, and the way they were positioned balances it out. Like on the floating continent you can see blue swirling going in between the statues and when they're moved it all goes nuts. RIght, as I remember it their deal was they were warring gods and the battle between them and all their espers and magician servants almost destroyed the world, so they put themselves in basically an eternal detente, turning themselves into inanimate statues so nobody could back out of it and start the world destruction all over again. The power of any one of them would be contained by the power of the other two. And then Kefka hosed up the feng shui and did what jesters always do: stumble into a delicate situation where nobody wants to act or say the wrong thing, and acts
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I'll grant Caius but c'mon, Kefka did much more damage than Yu Yevon. Beyond killing so many people and bombarding entire settlements, moving landmasses around probably badly affected animal and plant life, plus i always got the impression that the land itself became sickly, WoR is very rocky wasteland and sickly yellow grass everywhere. So i imagine agriculture isn't doing so good as well. Yes, he didn't stay active for as long but it's not hard to convince yourself that Kefka hosed civilization for centuries, maybe thousands of years with his stunts. Yu Yevon and Sin killed people but they never did that kind of damage to the land itself (Even the calm lands are very verdant) Frionnel fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Feb 19, 2022 |
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