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Seems like it'd be a good time to double check if extreme claims you post here have literally any corroboration Maybe for some reason Al Sura News learned this before any of the people reporting from Kyiv, but I hope not
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Zotix posted:There's no way this is true. To airdrop and take Kiev airport would take dozens of airplanes. We'd see videos of antiaircraft fire of which we're seeing none. Unless they've been in the city for a couple days flying in under civilian airliners.
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Youth Decay posted:So is everyone going to let Russia take a country? Not saying the US should get involved but gently caress. I don't think Putin's going to stop at Ukraine. Yep/Well thats why we have NATO
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Zotix posted:There's no way this is true. To airdrop and take Kiev airport would take dozens of airplanes. We'd see videos of antiaircraft fire of which we're seeing none. Maybe a big defection or sabotage? I remember reading that pro-Russian elements had infiltrated a lot of the military and Ukraine's government institutions over the years.
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KillHour posted:It's one of those things where it only takes one military to miscalculate what "lesser" means and hit the wrong country before poo poo blows up literally in our faces. There is no "good" outcome here - the soft power checks on Russia have failed. I'm still not expecting WWIII, but I'm less convinced it won't happen than at any point when Trump was in office and that's saying something. Preventing political conflicts from inadvertently escalating into world wars is a swiss cheese defense sort of thing. It doesn't happen automatically or because of some hard line. It's enforced by a whole lot of little norms and safeguards that all have to fail. It's exceedingly unlikely this war does that. But it's likely to take out a lot of slices from that cheese, and those will take years to put back.
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Youth Decay posted:So is everyone going to let Russia take a country? Not saying the US should get involved but gently caress. I don't think Putin's going to stop at Ukraine. I mean due to NATO there's not much else he could realistically go for like this, Moldova? Belarus? Georgia? And going after Finland would be uh.... tantamount to invading Western Europe in Western Europe's eyes.
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FWIW this is what NPR is saying: https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1496690701723176966 So I'll believe the thing about the airport when we get more corroboration.
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Ukraine rep up on UNSC right after Russia just informed everyone "Yeah, we're going in." This is not going well.
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Youth Decay posted:So is everyone going to let Russia take a country? Not saying the US should get involved but gently caress. I don't think Putin's going to stop at Ukraine. Poland is probably feeling a bit apprehensive. If he pushes past Ukraine it gets very ugly very quickly.
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Youth Decay posted:So is everyone going to let Russia take a country? Not saying the US should get involved but gently caress. I don't think Putin's going to stop at Ukraine. I mean, Putin kind of put everyone in the position of deciding whether to get involved or let him have Ukraine - that was his plan. So if you're saying we shouldn't 'let' Russia have a country, you're also implying we should get 'involved.' There's no magic wand that reconciles those two things. Killer robot posted:Preventing political conflicts from inadvertently escalating into world wars is a swiss cheese defense sort of thing. It doesn't happen automatically or because of some hard line. It's enforced by a whole lot of little norms and safeguards that all have to fail. It's exceedingly unlikely this war does that. But it's likely to take out a lot of slices from that cheese, and those will take years to put back. The analogy to swiss cheese, something famous for being full of holes, does not fill me with confidence in these norms.
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Chances are it's someone hearing about the airport getting "attacked" (bombed) and just started making some leaps from there.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ6VtEs9c8E ABC news coverage online If you have a local Fox station with news they're still broken into programming. NBC just went back to programming
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Unless they've been in the city for a couple days flying in under civilian airliners. Or just driving in. Russia has had troops and supporters in occupied Ukraine for years now. If true they could of been there quite a while without anyone noticing.
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eke out posted:Seems like it'd be a good time to double check if extreme claims you post here have literally any corroboration This seems like some corroboration even if it's not confirmation: https://twitter.com/briarstewart/status/1496691759572791296 Marco Rubio also tweeted that Russia was making the attempt. https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1496689463761817600
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Kammat posted:Ukraine rep up on UNSC right after Russia just informed everyone "Yeah, we're going in." This is not going well. He started with "Well, my prepared speech is useless" and is seemingly transitioning into requesting the expulsion of Russia from the U.N.
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Feb 24, 2022 04:49
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Ukraine has an army. If Russia "took" the airport at 5am Ukraine could, ya know, go there and take it back. Or shoot things at it! There's no way it's already done and final aw shucks, and everyone needs to slow their read-tweet, post-tweet roll. Double true from unverified accounts, but I'd take a deep breath even from the verified ones as we enter the fog of war.
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TulliusCicero posted:What is the Ukranians actual chance of holding a successful defense against Putin for a while? In an up-down battle I'm guessing essentially zero. But you could say the same about Iraq and Afghanistan. Not making any predictions here, just saying that there's a lot more to it than whether Russia's conventional military defeats Ukraine's.
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I have to wonder, given that he seems to be invading the whole country, what was the point of the whole “national security council” meeting and officially recognizing DPR/LPR?
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Zotix posted:There's no way this is true. To airdrop and take Kiev airport would take dozens of airplanes. We'd see videos of antiaircraft fire of which we're seeing none. https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1496689463761817600?t=QCEHV8Mum8sq4VffjuukUg&s=19 E; fb
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coelomate posted:Ukraine has an army. If Russia "took" the airport at 5am Ukraine could, ya know, go there and take it back. Or shoot things at it! There's no way it's already done and final aw shucks, and everyone needs to slow their read-tweet, post-tweet roll. Double true from unverified accounts, but I'd take a deep breath even from the verified ones as we enter the fog of war. ukraine has an army, it is not clear yet if that army is willing to fight russia. i am a bit doubtful the airport has been seized but it's not out of this world.
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Grape posted:I mean due to NATO there's not much else he could realistically go for like this, Moldova? Belarus? Georgia? Again, looking at him as a Russian neocon is probably instructive here. He's going to Monroe Doctrine the gently caress out of Eastern Europe. Expect constant economic/political pressure and far-right/'centrist' coups with lots of suspicious funding, not outright invasions (except when any given nation is sufficiently isolated to be easy prey).
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smug n stuff posted:I have to wonder, given that he seems to be invading the whole country, what was the point of the whole “national security council” meeting and officially recognizing DPR/LPR? The purported pretext is proxies’ plea for assistance versus government forces.
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Kammat posted:Ukraine rep up on UNSC right after Russia just informed everyone "Yeah, we're going in." This is not going well. he's gone off-book because of course he has, and it's the kind of thing I haven't really ever seen
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The Ukrainian ambassador to the UN is calling for the Russian ambassador to relinquish presidency of the security council if they can't announce they are not taking military actions in UA.
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smug n stuff posted:I have to wonder, given that he seems to be invading the whole country, what was the point of the whole “national security council” meeting and officially recognizing DPR/LPR?
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smug n stuff posted:I have to wonder, given that he seems to be invading the whole country, what was the point of the whole “national security council” meeting and officially recognizing DPR/LPR? It was for internal Russian consumption, to make it appear that military action was justified.
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smug n stuff posted:I have to wonder, given that he seems to be invading the whole country, what was the point of the whole “national security council” meeting and officially recognizing DPR/LPR? Because those are the parts Russia will annex. They're not going to annex the entire Ukraine.
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Zotix posted:There's no way this is true. To airdrop and take Kiev airport would take dozens of airplanes. We'd see videos of antiaircraft fire of which we're seeing none. Not necessarily.
The goal of an operation like that isn't to hold the airport forever, but serves a few purposes:
A relatively small group of motivated soldiers could hold an airport for a few days - more than long enough for mechanized forces to reach the airport.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I can’t see how we can confirm that this is current footage. there were more or less identical launches visible on streams cinci zoo sniper posted:You’re right, but I think it’s a fair ask of the thread to do some minimal due diligence for whether if footage can be reasonably attributed to the conflict. This thread will keep moving fast enough for a while, and so we don’t really want to have potentially random footage of MRLS fire in pitch black night. this is also what the actual footage looked like, too though
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I loving hate war but gently caress at this point Putin's clearly unhinged and Russia is a rogue state: I'm fine with some viruses affecting their pipelines and infrastructure and a blockade at this point, maybe some funding encouragement of any rebel groups in the Russian Federation This guy has to be given a black eye or he will keep doing stupid poo poo until he starts something he can't stop Russia should lose its seat on the Security Council and hell from the UN entirely TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Feb 24, 2022 |
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orange sky posted:Lol what are you kidding? I don't believe at all that Putin will do it but it's true he keeps hinting at it or explicitly mentioning it We don't need people posting Twitter poo poo claiming that Putin's threatening nuclear attacks when he never specified what they would do in the first place
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idempodunk posted:The Ukrainian ambassador to the UN is calling for the Russian ambassador to relinquish presidency of the security council if they can't announce they are not taking military actions in UA. It's almost like giving every member of the security council an un-overridable veto was a dumb idea. Who could have thought.
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Concerned Citizen posted:ukraine has an army, it is not clear yet if that army is willing to fight russia. i am a bit doubtful the airport has been seized but it's not out of this world. I don't see how they would plan on attacking and holding it as it may be a while before reinforcements can get there, but I could see them going in with a smaller force (possibly already there just waiting?) and blowing up everything they can to make it unusable for the foreseeable future.
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KillHour posted:It's almost like giving every member of the security council an un-overridable veto was a dumb idea. Who could have thought. The security council would be useless in a different way w/o it, too. At least some of the secondary UN functions have value.
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No one is going to war with Russia over Ukraine. The western front alone would be something like 4000 miles long, and the US wouldn't be able to fight that war without abandoning all other security commitments and pulling the trigger on conscription, and probably it would go nuclear long before it reached that point. The UN security council will not act on this, at most we get a resolution against the attack, which Russia veto's, same as 2014.
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Have far is the airport from any built up place, as Ukraine should still have a shitload of Javelins and NLAWS floating around. Like feel like a helicopter full of special forces troops would be a pretty big priority target for someone with one of those.
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TulliusCicero posted:I loving hate war but gently caress at this piint Putin's clearly unhinged and Russia is a rogue state: Our infrastructure is at least as vulnerable as his, so that sounds like a bad idea unless you want grandma in the covid ward to die when the hospital loses power. Nobody really knows what happens if a cyber war goes hot, but it's really not a good idea to test it out against a country with the capabilities Russia has. Especially if bodies start actually dropping over it, that's a very dangerous escalation for the world. KillHour posted:It's almost like giving every member of the security council an un-overridable veto was a dumb idea. Who could have thought. The UN wouldn't exist if they hadn't. All five permanent members are the five officially permitted nuclear powers too, so in effect they have vetoes either way.
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