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BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


Inner Light posted:

Anyone got a pic of the nose?

GISed it. Don't know which one he means but they both great noses.




Just imagine the things these guys can smell

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DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Jiro posted:

It's strange to see such public open disagreement to Putin in Russia without immediately following up with "and these people promptly disappeared under mysterious circumstances"

Why would state run media report that? They all went on a vacation and then left the military and went about their lives and no they did not leave forwarding contact info...

HappyHippo
Nov 19, 2003
Do you have an Air Miles Card?

ZombieLenin posted:

Caveat the confirmation comes from Twitter.

Thread title?

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Kaddish posted:

With Russia open invading a European democracy, I would have thought we'd see more immediate economic action from EU. I know the pipeline was put on hold days ago but I've seen nothing else.

There are big disagreements over the sanctions, embarrassingly but unsurprisingly.

https://twitter.com/MatinaStevis/status/1496758467943866374

If this tweet is believed, Italy is seriously worried about their Balenciaga exports. :suicide:

If there's one time when Americans indiscriminately shouting down Europeans is appropriate, it's now.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

If people want to compile a list of sensible reliable twitter people to follow, then one I recommend is Micahel Kofman: https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1496876298051989504

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:

I believe they've Javelined a column of Russian tanks earlier today.

They did. There are some beautiful photographs of a bunch of “javelin and tow esistant” T-80s with their turrets blown clean off out there.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

GISed it. Don't know which one he means but they both great noses.




Just imagine the things these guys can smell

Looks fairly normal?

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

coelomate posted:

Rubio remains a biased but highly informed source who is live tweeting through this:
The 4th tweet in this:
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1496870025482973194
Depending what they mean by "set the stage" that seems extremely optimistic.

Also it feels weird believing anything Rubio says and I can't say I like it. But yeah so far it seems he is just passing on legit intelligence information.

Vookatos
May 2, 2013
It's not? I can access it. Tons of words from Putin about "But there's no other way to DEFEND Mother Russia! And look at those Americans with their wars and Guantanamos!"
Seems like he's not tired of saying it, considering the last I watched TV was in like 2008 and I've heard that same argument from him.

freeasinbeer
Mar 26, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

John F Bennett posted:

Maybe I'm basing my views too much on action movies because I don't know much about this stuff irl, but wouldn't the tanks just aim their cannons at the buildings where the shots are coming from and explode the buildings?

Guns can’t point up high enough.

Operating unescorted armor in a city with tall buildings is how they got wrecked in Grozny the first go around.

Anti aircraft guns can aim that high and are usually used to suppress anyone on roofs.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




AveMachina posted:

Youtube user RealVolodya uploaded: "I'm Sorry"
Thumbnail: in a white void. Some things were said that made people feel a type of way and i wanted to clear the air

What does this mean?

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Sinteres posted:

That's an unbelievably stupid idea, and you have no idea what kind of damage Russia could do to American infrastructure if a cyberwar starts. It's not quite as dumb as actively sending combat troops to defend Ukraine, but people would very likely die if the US and Russia started attacking each other's infrastructure too.

Russia has been doing this stuff for 10 years. Chill. Trust me, I've been doing incident response to likely Russian actors for ages, even if the US scaled up, at best its another Monday for me.

coelomate
Oct 21, 2020


Shes Not Impressed posted:

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1496875469093974020?s=20&t=y7TpdOh7HZ_islNIuGMiWw

I say it's the crowd of kids who just wanted to play Elden Ring getting their revenge.

Yeah, government websites are largely just signposts, defacing them isn't going to do much.

Nationstate cyberattacks look more like "oops, our centrifuges blew themselves up."

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

dr_rat posted:

The 4th tweet in this:
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1496870025482973194
Depending what they mean by "set the stage" that seems extremely optimistic.

Also it feels weird believing anything Rubio says and I can't say I like it. But yeah so far it seems he is just passing on legit intelligence information.

If you're going to follow Rubio at all, I think I'd view him as most credible when he's talking about actual troop movements and stuff, and least credible when he talks about Putin's state of mind/how Putin feels the invasion is going. The idea that Russia expected this to all be wrapped up by now is pretty absurd.

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


Shes Not Impressed posted:

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1496875469093974020?s=20&t=y7TpdOh7HZ_islNIuGMiWw

I say it's the crowd of kids who just wanted to play Elden Ring getting their revenge.

i think its cyber vigilantes personally too. no evidence just gut feeling.

TheRat posted:

Looks fairly normal?

it might be someone different. i just googled them. ]I am simply here to appreciate and celebrate these great noses frankly. We have to find the light whereever we can.

Sir Bobert Fishbone
Jan 16, 2006

Beebort

Alchenar posted:

If people want to compile a list of sensible reliable twitter people to follow, then one I recommend is Micahel Kofman: https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1496876298051989504

I posted this last night but I've consolidated a couple of pre-existing lists into one, and am adding my own follows as needed to this list, if anyone wants a reasonably OK starting point: https://twitter.com/i/lists/1495215642760208387

BoldFace
Feb 28, 2011
https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status/1496877916797345792

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

cinci zoo sniper posted:

There are big disagreements over the sanctions, embarrassingly but unsurprisingly.

https://twitter.com/MatinaStevis/status/1496758467943866374

If this tweet is believed, Italy is seriously worried about their Balenciaga exports. :suicide:

If there's one time when Americans indiscriminately shouting down Europeans is appropriate, it's now.

Isn't this where American economic power can be helpful? Like, telling these countries, we'll find markets for you don't worry?

Flagellum
Dec 23, 2011

spurdo av master race so what

The Real Amethyst posted:

Are there actually lefty/tankie types trying to defend and justify the invasion or is it just a minority of broke brain freaks? I'm scared to look.

There are in another thread, but fortunately not here. Although they claim they are just "explaining" current situation and its context, it's almost word-to-word same as what's being broadcasted in the russian media.

Flagellum fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Feb 24, 2022

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


Just heard my people were able to get a shared van out of dneiper and are in lvov hotel trying to find a way into poland. Apparently the trains to warsaw are all booked or cancelled or something but theres no trains for them

Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010

Kaddish posted:

With Russia open invading a European democracy, I would have thought we'd see more immediate economic action from EU. I know the pipeline was put on hold days ago but I've seen nothing else.

The EU prefers having a decades-long low grade war on its borders rather than the risk of splintering EU solidarity even more when member states object to further sanctions or military action.

freeasinbeer
Mar 26, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

Sinteres posted:

If you're going to follow Rubio at all, I think I'd view him as most credible when he's talking about actual troop movements and stuff, and least credible when he talks about Putin's state of mind/how Putin feels the invasion is going. The idea that Russia expected this to all be wrapped up by now is pretty absurd.

Is it though? Capturing an airport close to Kyiv and presenting a fait accompli of the capital under Russian control seems like the decapitation strike he wanted.

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


projecthalaxy posted:

Just heard my people were able to get a shared van out of dneiper and are in lvov hotel trying to find a way into poland. Apparently the trains to warsaw are all booked or cancelled or something but theres no trains for them

given russia's reportedly attacking civilian targets intentionally that might (hopefully not) for the best. prayers.

theghostpt
Sep 1, 2009

projecthalaxy posted:

Just heard my people were able to get a shared van out of dneiper and are in lvov hotel trying to find a way into poland. Apparently the trains to warsaw are all booked or cancelled or something but theres no trains for them

I hope they are able to get somewhere safe asap

Framboise
Sep 21, 2014

To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.


Lipstick Apathy

Not an overreaction at all :stonk:

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Mooseontheloose posted:

Isn't this where American economic power can be helpful? Like, telling these countries, we'll find markets for you don't worry?

Yep, it is. The elephant in the room is the Russian energy sector though, and I've seen some rumours floated that Biden doesn't want to sanction that either, out of concern over gasoline prices. We'll have to wait and see the formal announcements.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

The Real Amethyst posted:

Are there actually lefty/tankie types trying to defend and justify the invasion or is it just a minority of broke brain freaks? I'm scared to look.

yeah. yeah there are but not here so who cares.



yeah i read some book on putin and he has a big boner for "crushing traitors" which counts as this lady and god knows how many others. gently caress i hate chuds, home or abroad.

freeasinbeer
Mar 26, 2015

by Fluffdaddy
For folks asking; there are a number of folks that are absolutely attempting to say that Putin was pushed into this by America/NATO.

There are some examples very close if you know where to look.

Edit I’m trying to avoid a 6er; by being ambiguous, if I should just delete I’ll delete.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Yep, it is. The elephant in the room is the Russian energy sector though, and I've seen some rumours floated that Biden doesn't want to sanction that either, out of concern over gasoline prices. We'll have to wait and see the formal announcements.

I just dont see European politicians wanting to live with long term impact of shutting off Russian energy when the winter comes.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

freeasinbeer posted:

Is it though? Capturing an airport close to Kyiv and presenting a fait accompli of the capital under Russian control seems like the decapitation strike he wanted.

Just because you swing for the fences doesn't mean you expected to hit a home run, just that it seemed worth a shot. We're less than a day into this, so it's premature to start up the bored media quagmire talk.

Pook Good Mook
Aug 6, 2013


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Mooseontheloose posted:

Isn't this where American economic power can be helpful? Like, telling these countries, we'll find markets for you don't worry?

Rich North Americans don't buy luxury European poo poo on the scale Russians do and the United States' banking system is already a no-go for Russians who may be worried about assets. What the US can offer is heavily subsidized natural gas imports to bridge the gap to new sources of heat.

I said it a page or two ago, but the US can hit Russian companies, corporations, and sovereign wealth, but can't do much to oligarchs, that requires the EU and GB to show a level of backbone that I'm personally skeptical they have in them. Maybe GB and France. This is classic Cold War level weak-poo poo from Euros top to bottom.

Pook Good Mook fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Feb 24, 2022

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

The Real Amethyst posted:

Are there actually lefty/tankie types trying to defend and justify the invasion or is it just a minority of broke brain freaks? I'm scared to look.

Not outright support but a lot of "NATO is also bad, the west is to blame for this" takes from the usual dipshits.

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?
edit- removed, someone else post.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Gatts posted:

Are your snipers still as good as in past?

At least the rifle they use has been adopted by most European armies, including the Ukrainian special forces

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sako_TRG

William Bear
Oct 26, 2012

"That's what they all say!"

cinci zoo sniper posted:

There are big disagreements over the sanctions, embarrassingly but unsurprisingly.

https://twitter.com/MatinaStevis/status/1496758467943866374

If this tweet is believed, Italy is seriously worried about their Balenciaga exports. :suicide:

If there's one time when Americans indiscriminately shouting down Europeans is appropriate, it's now.

This is infuriating. Agreeing to stop exporting Lamborghinis is one of the most obvious steps that won't hurt the average Russian, and they're not even taking that.

EDIT: Oh, she updated it:

https://twitter.com/MatinaStevis/status/1496831724038377479

Now everyone's talking about Putin's cleavage.

William Bear fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Feb 24, 2022

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Pook Good Mook posted:

What the US can offer is heavily subsidized natural gas imports to bridge the gap to new sources of heat.

But as far as I know there's no reliable way of delivery on the scale needed.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




TheRat posted:

I just dont see European politicians wanting to live with long term impact of shutting off Russian energy when the winter comes.

I don't think they want to live with Russia behaving like that with impunity either, since it is right next door - but you are right as well. Something will have to give, and at this point must just note that this war is likely changing calculus by the hour, and decisions difficult right now maybe become easy in just a few hours.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
It's sad and I have said this before the last American president to have a coherent foreign policy and who really seem to get how other countries operated was George H.W. Bush and this isn't a defense of him or his family and his association with Reagan. But he had a clear vision and a path and ways to integrate Russia into the post Cold War era and again seemed to have A foreign policy. Clinton largely seemed to ignore foreign policy, W. we all know, Obama couldn't meet the moment, and Trump is aligned with Putin (sorta) and had no vision either.

And I think this where the rubber is meeting the road here. There are no good or coherent policy frameworks coming left, right, or center to meet the moment.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Gotta admit, Russia's Twitter game today was pretty good. At times it looked like Russians tanks are 5 min away from downtown Kyiv and Zelensky is already running for the plane to Warsaw. Never rely too much on Twitter

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Kaddish
Feb 7, 2002
If Europe isn't on board with bare minimum stuff, what can the US really do?

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