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Preoptopus posted:It would suck to be russian on the ISS right now Not as much as it would suck to be kicked off it.
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Will Lous CK be captured by the Russians? Is this our secret weapon?
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https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1496904933014216711 Just sounds like a PR attempt than a serious offer of negotiation.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:we will see. stuff is too early. i can see it happening. biden is giving a speech about all of this in a half hour. Cyprus is drat near literally a floating Russian bank in some regards. Also culturally/historically Russophile. But they're also tiny and malleable so I dunno, Greece itself isn't part of this so maybe they can talk with them on this.
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IMO the real problem is the NATO encroachment argument is that it's become overcome by events. Even on its own terms it's a justification for Russia pressuring Ukraine. It's wholly inadequate in the face of Putin actually launching a war, and it also just doesn't matter at all. The war's started, people are dying, and trying to peer at the tea leaves feels like an ivory tower exercise at best.Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1496904933014216711 Demilitarized, lol. A state can't function like that. I'm sure the Russian military will offer to secure the borders and critical sites like Chernobyl, out of a sense of generosity and Slavic unity.
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1496904933014216711 It's the best terms they're going to get. But yeah I don't see how they could possibly accept.
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1496904933014216711 uwu we'll stop invading if you become more invadeable
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1496904933014216711 Lol, Russia is willing to accept unconditional surrender. Sounds great.
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Thom12255 posted:Just sounds like a PR attempt than a serious offer of negotiation. If you lads just want to, like, unconditionally surrender right now, that would be swell.
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https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1496905315064766466 I don't think he'll do it honestly.
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Preoptopus posted:It would suck to be russian on the ISS right now
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1496905315064766466 He certainly shouldn't.
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1496904933014216711 "We will stop shooting at you if you just give up all your stuff to shoot at us with and also if you could promise never to shoot at us ever, pinkie swear!" gently caress that poo poo
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1496905315064766466 If he did that would open the US up to cyber retaliation.
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Sinteres posted:My emphasis on NATO culpability or lack thereof has definitely decreased now that the war has actually begun, but discouraging discussion of one of the two main reasons mentioned for invasion by the leader of the belligerent power (the other being flat out revanchism on his part) in the name of discouraging boring posts while gems like 'Putin is doing this because he has a small penis' or 'Putin wants to kill 40 million Ukrainians' seem to be acceptable feels a bit like it's positions that are being moderated rather than low content/boring posts. If you're sure you have some new info or arguments about one of those ideas after reading the discussion that's already happened, you're welcome to post it. That's why those things are only being discouraged rather than outlawed. Also, if you see posts on the other side that are low content, please report them.
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Gripweed posted:If he did that would open the US up to cyber retaliation. Russia has been 'cyber attacking' the West for years with very little cover. Like, obviously the US government shouldn't come out and say 'we are cyber attacking Russia.'
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1496904933014216711 One other options this could be is damage control in response to the domestic protests. Sporadic as they are, they're still noticeable.
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1496905315064766466 He shouldn’t. Russia would hit back and hit back hard in a way that would gently caress a lot of poo poo up. That’s best case. Worst is escalate into being in a shooting war with them now.
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1496904933014216711 This is like the ultimatum presented to Serbia by Austria-Hungary, in that an acceptance would effectively take away their sovereignty. Only this time around, the ultimatum is handed out after the war is declared.
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Kaddish posted:Russia has been 'cyber attacking' the West for years with very little cover. Really? Or are you just talking about the facebook stuff from the 2016 election?
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Gripweed posted:If he did that would open the US up to cyber retaliation. True this feels like the US Gov't telling Russia we have the ability to do this, are you sure this is the path you want to go down?
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Kaddish posted:Russia has been 'cyber attacking' the West for years with very little cover. This. We have been attack each other for a long time. This just makes it official.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:He shouldn’t. Russia would hit back and hit back hard in a way that would gently caress a lot of poo poo up. That’s best case. Worst is escalate into being in a shooting war with them now. Eh, pretty sure any cyber warfare assets Russia has are focused 100% on Ukraine right now.
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Gripweed posted:Really? Or are you just talking about the facebook stuff from the 2016 election? Yes, really.
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Gripweed posted:Really? Or are you just talking about the facebook stuff from the 2016 election? Are you kidding?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:One other options this could be is damage control in response to the domestic protests. Sporadic as they are, they're still noticeable. It's more like what Putin insisted on having all along. A neutral Ukraine without the possibility of NATO troops and weapon systems on its borders.
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Short of doing what they do best and sell Ukrainians weapons, US needs to stay out of this one please God.
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1496904933014216711
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1496904933014216711 I hope Zelensky tells them to go gently caress themselves.I'd prefer if he used those exact words, but... that is admittedly less likely. Gripweed posted:If he did that would open the US up to cyber retaliation. As if Russia hasn't been launching cyber-attacks on the US for years already.
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Gripweed posted:Really? Or are you just talking about the facebook stuff from the 2016 election? I mean, Russia DID hack the DNC, so it's not just facebook stuff in 2016. But Russia cyber attacks are done by "independent" contractors who ARE IN NO WAY ASSOCIATED with the Russian government *wink wink*.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:One other options this could be is damage control in response to the domestic protests. Sporadic as they are, they're still noticeable. Especially for day 1 in a war. Usually it takes a bit for exhaustion to get going. This is supposed to be the patriotic fervor stage.
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1496905315064766466 This really sounds like something they should do in retaliation for a Russian cyber attack on the US. If we do it first well... I hope everyone likes living without electricity for god knows how long.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:One other options this could be is damage control in response to the domestic protests. Sporadic as they are, they're still noticeable. Could also be an attempt to end this thing quickly if it's not going well as the projections hoped, as well as try to mend some rep on the world stage by going "See we can be reasonable we just want them to not be able to defend themselves anymore!"
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SwimNurd posted:This. We have been attack each other for a long time. This just makes it official. It would be a dramatic escalation, depending on the option chosen. One of the options was turning off power, and if we start attacking each other's power plants, that obviously has some pretty big ramifications. Of course you'd hope our defenses are adequate, but who's betting on that? And as with physical warfare, once escalation begins, you don't choose where it ends.
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Earlier this morning the exiled president of Belarus seemed to make a claim for the government and said she's forming a transitional cabinet (source: her Instagram account). I haven't seen this discussed here, but is she going to try to flip this on Lukashenko?
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steinrokkan posted:Are you kidding? I mean, the power is still on, the water is still flowing, I'm currently posting online, I haven't noticed any cyberattacks edit: If the DNC hack is the kind of cyberattack they're talking about, who cares. I don't care if Russia and the USA leak each other's dirty secrets. I thought cyberattacks meant, like, actually damaging infastructure.
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Sinteres posted:It would be a dramatic escalation, depending on the option chosen. One of the options was turning off power, and if we start attacking each other's power plants, that obviously has some pretty big ramifications. Of course you'd hope our defenses are adequate, but who's betting on that? Our infrastructure defenses are definitely not adequate. Neither are Russia's (that's an assumption)
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1496904933014216711 
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TulliusCicero posted:Will Lous CK be captured by the Russians? Is this our secret weapon? His disgusting penis showing antics will repulse and repel the Russian aggression back to Moscow. 
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Grape posted:Cyprus is drat near literally a floating Russian bank in some regards. Also culturally/historically Russophile. Since when, did the Cypriots actually listen to us? And rightfully so!..if you know the history.
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