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Ola posted:Over the past 30 years, the West has tried in good faith to include Russia in trade, in science, in politics low and high, in global society at every level. The degradation of Russia can be blamed squarely on the corrupt leadership. Maybe the West wasn't harsh enough soon enough, but that's what comes with good faith. The West isn’t a monolith, and while this is probably true of Europe it is less true of America. Russia is in a horrible state in part because Yeltsin made a good faith effort to ally with the West at a time when that meant implementing the “Washington Consensus”, a series of neoliberal reforms that - and I genuinely don’t think this was understood by anyone at the time, conspiracy theories notwithstanding - are a recipe for disaster. Other countries learned from the catastrophe that was the collapse of the Russian economy in the 90s so it clearly is avoidable. As of now I’m not sure where this leaves Russia when this all resolves except as Chinese junior ally / client state. They get to be East Germany to China’s USSR, maybe. One thing about energy: renewables are slowly but surely changing geopolitics. When I was a kid the UK got about 3% of energy from renewables: last year it was 43%. Not everywhere is so extreme but it’s got to have an impact.
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Ukrainian 24 Hour Field Ration Review Pork Tushonka & Kasha MRE Meal Ready to Eat Tasting Test by everyone's favorite MRE expert Steve1989MREInfo Nice. Now lets get this out onto a tray. Makes you want to join the fight, just to get a piece of that food.
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NATO expanded eastward because those countries didn't want to be reinvaded by Russians seeking to resurrect the USSR.
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Baronjutter posted:Russia's GDP is about on par with Canada's. They just have nukes and know how to play the west. Since I have a feeling that this was a response to a question with the subtext "Russia was more influential economic wise, why do they seem so relevant in history?" Much of the former iron curtain STILL hasn't recovered their economies from the fall of communism. https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser/status/957901889500303360 Until it's dissolution the USSR's economy was near that of the US (PPP) and second place nominal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP The crash and the gradual recovery has resulted in them being lesser of a share of the economy than their heydays. There are countries that seemed to have handled the transition great such as Estonia, but many haven't been so lucky. Russia unfortunately has gone down a dark path of trying to regain it's glory days instead of modernizing it's economy. Whether that's from a pro or anti Washington consensus. punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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Ola posted:Over the past 30 years, the West has tried in good faith to include Russia in trade, in science, in politics low and high, in global society at every level. The degradation of Russia can be blamed squarely on the corrupt leadership. Maybe the West wasn't harsh enough soon enough, but that's what comes with good faith. do you actually believe your own incredibly vague handwavey summary of the past thirty loving years as ''the west" tried in good faith but bad leaders, oh well, bring out stick?' do you think, possibly, you might need more than two facile sentences? maybe three?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Hold on, this claims Ukrainians did hit a Russian airfield with ballistic missiles, inside Russia. Apparently, it triggered a radar intrusion. *concern intensifies*
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I fail to see how conservative tagging may cause issue with anyone. Did you get recoil in horror from not seeing intestines of a dozen Ukrainian children spilled out in the first photo? I mean it's not a huge deal dude but generally in such threads NMS gets saved for when there's gore or bodies or whatever and imo if this thread is going to go all in on content warnings, might as well use them consistently and in a prudent way. I appreciate that stuff is tagged personally because I have a very low limit for the amount of war tragedy footage I can handle at a time and I limit the amount of it that i'll click on accordingly. not my call tho, so do as you will
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Sounds like infantry/special forces are moving into Kyiv outskirts now. https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497117472830332933 Also, more aftermath footage in Kherson https://twitter.com/no_itsmyturn/status/1497116494660046852
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Fuligin posted:do you actually believe your own incredibly vague handwavey summary of the past thirty loving years as ''the west" tried in good faith but bad leaders, oh well, bring out stick?' do you think, possibly, you might need more than two facile sentences? maybe three? I think I need more yes. Do you think the post I was responding to was sufficient? I'm not going to go on about it in here anyway. And anyone who belives the West (whatever you want that to mean) are the biggest bad guys aren't going to be convinced anyway, so why bother?
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Ola posted:I think I need more yes. Do you think the post I was responding to was sufficient? I'm not going to go on about it in here anyway. And anyone who belives the West (whatever you want that to mean) are the biggest bad guys aren't going to be convinced anyway, so why bother? If your analysis of geopolitics involves bad guys and good guys, then it is deficient.
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Lets slow down here by this giant huge burning gas tank...
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Dick Ripple posted:Lets slow down here by this giant huge burning gas tank... yeah, that uhh, yeah
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WorkerThread posted:If your analysis of geopolitics involves bad guys and good guys, then it is deficient. mlyp
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WorkerThread posted:I don't think you can characterize the west's intervention in the post Soviet economy as good faith. We came in and wrecked the place. Sadly, for many it was in good faith. It was just a bad religion.
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Smeef posted:Sadly, for many it was in good faith. It was just a bad religion. Yeah as far as I can tell the high priests of shock therapy genuinely believed in it, they were just wrong, with hideous consequences.
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I just saw some APCs rolling down the street in Kiev on one of the live streams. I'm pretty sure they were Ukrainian considering they were just rolling along with civilian traffic.
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Dick Ripple posted:Lets slow down here by this giant huge burning gas tank... propane tanks are cool and are engineered to be basically impossible to blow up from merely a fire on the side. If there's a very sustained heat source underneath you can get a bleve, but from that kind of fire they'll just offgas at a steady rate like that anyways considering that there is a piece of artillery pointed down the bridge for direct fire  that propane tank is probably the least of anyone's worries
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I mean it's not a huge deal dude but generally in such threads NMS gets saved for when there's gore or bodies or whatever and imo if this thread is going to go all in on content warnings, might as well use them consistently and in a prudent way. I appreciate that stuff is tagged personally because I have a very low limit for the amount of war tragedy footage I can handle at a time and I limit the amount of it that i'll click on accordingly. Now I’m even more confused. You say that you like to limit your exposure to war tragedy, and which is why it was an issue that I tagged a blown up residential building? Sorry, maybe I’m being thick here or need to wake up, but I’m utterly confused.
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So, not to doompost too much, but, what happens if Russia announces that they've secured proof that the Ukrainian government was interfering in the US elections against Donald Trump? Does this further fracture US support, or, hopefully, does it help further the schism in the Republican Party between the anti-Putin factions and the Trump-worship factions?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Now I’m even more confused. You say that you like to limit your exposure to war tragedy, and which is why it was an issue that I tagged a blown up residential building? Save the most extreme tag for the most extreme stuff is what I'm saying.
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Ginger Beer Belly posted:So, not to doompost too much, but, what happens if Russia announces that they've secured proof that the Ukraine government was interfering in the US elections against Donald Trump? Does this further fracture US support, or, hopefully, does it help further the schism in the Republican Party between the anti-Putin factions and the Trump-worship factions? At this point the Russian government could announce the sky is blue and I would still wait for like 5 more reliable sources in addition to my own eyes to confirm. Trump's faithful are certain that there was zero foreign influence and everyone else already lost whatever trust they had in Putin.
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Aljazeera is reporting that the russians may have reached Obolon in Kiev city:- https://twitter.com/AJABreaking/status/1497123808989298690?s=20&t=00Ur-pPPn2sfeeonNYkkCg Here it is on the map:-  Definitely not good news for the Ukranians
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Smeef posted:Sadly, for many it was in good faith. It was just a bad religion. It's not in the least difficult to believe that diehard neoliberals genuinely believed in shock therapy rather than it being some covert operation to permanently thwart Eastern Europe from ever rivaling their Western counterparts again. While a Russia mirroring China's state capitalism or doing a gradual stride toward a more open market like Vietnam would have likely been far better for the country, it's understandable why a nation saying "we are done with communism, we want what you have, what's the best way to do it?" and they received the answers that they got.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Save the most extreme tag for the most extreme stuff is what I'm saying. I’ll try, but I’ll err on the conservative side, since in literally grew up in the same kinds of building that I’m seeing shelled, etcetera.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Since I have a feeling that this was a response to a question with the subtext "Russia was more influential economic wise, why do they seem so relevant in history?" Should be noted that even among post-USSR states Ukraine has done particularly bad economically since the 1990s. When you are lagging behind an isolated landlocked puppet state like Belarus you've doing pretty badly, and unfortunately that has made them all the more susceptible to Russian invasion. https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/why-is-ukraine-such-an-economic-failure?utm_source=url
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Save the most extreme tag for the most extreme stuff is what I'm saying. Think it's best is to just accurately state what it is.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:propane tanks are cool and are engineered to be basically impossible to blow up from merely a fire on the side. If there's a very sustained heat source underneath you can get a bleve, but from that kind of fire they'll just offgas at a steady rate like that Yes, I am aware. But still not going to hang out by the drat thing.
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This was probably posted somewhere already, but I feel it's worthy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHfxen6Jplg No graphic content, just a radio transmission
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Twitter is aflame with news of Russian or stolen Ukrainian tanks in the north side of Kiev.
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Supposed saboteurs got got possible casualty? https://twitter.com/AbraxasSpa/status/1497131591230971922 Paracausal fucked around with this message at 10:00 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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Russians are making another go at hostomel airport https://twitter.com/liveuamap/status/1497114586725687297?s=21 unconfirmed video from dubious source of russian paratroops at hostomel https://twitter.com/asbmilitary/status/1497126208319938563?s=21 this is really embarrassing for the ukranians if they managed to lose the airport twice
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That or they never really retook it. If they did so, one could expect to see the prisoners they took.
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As some have pointed out in the twitter threads, if Russians are dressing as Ukraine and civilians are armed, things may get messy. Or it could of course all be Russian propaganda.
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Al-Saqr posted:
Ughhhhhh what the heck
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Dick Ripple posted:That or they never really retook it. If they did so, one could expect to see the prisoners they took. Yeah I was very suspicious that if the ukranians had managed to win such a great victory and kill 200 VDV troops they would’ve released any footage about the fact that they didn’t makes me think that great victory was just propaganda
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Dick Ripple posted:That or they never really retook it. If they did so, one could expect to see the prisoners they took. Showing prisoners of war on camera is a war crime, so that’s not really an expectation fair to hold. Recoome posted:Ughhhhhh what the heck Let’s not overreact on a basis of video showing one trooper in a generic side street.
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Al-Saqr posted:
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