Ukraine: The Aristoblyats

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Naked Bear posted:

That collision had been captured from another angle that had been filming a different incident. It looks like that was an accident, especially in the context of the video below (which may turn out to be a friendly fire incident). As always, take everything with a grain of sand.

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1497217923106189313

Okay that makes more sense. Not that it matters to the guy who gets crushed but hopefully it was a panicked and not a psychopathic driver since they were in the middle of a gunfight since so far Russian ground troops don�t seem generally enthusiastic about doing poo poo like this yet. Or the war in general.

It is very surreal to see combat footage in places more similar to where I�ve lived and don�t think of as war zones. I�m so used to footage from Syrian deserts and rural areas versus what looks like the parking lot my apartment.

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# ? Jun 2, 2024 02:56

Thwomp: Apr 10, 2003; BA-DUHHH; Grimey Drawer

I�m seeing this retweeted a bunch as a snapshot of where things stand right now.

Michael Kofman retweeted by Alexander Vindman posted:

Some very early impressions of the last two days. It's an operation with maximalist war aims, and Moscow's thinking on this war seems to have been colored by war optimism. It looked as though Russian forces were expecting a quicker UKR military collapse and easier gains. 1/

Early campaign to knock out Ukrainian air defenses and air force had mixed results, Russian aerospace forces aren't particularly practiced at SEAD or DEAD. Most of the strikes in the opening phase were via cruise missiles. UKR air force still has some aircraft up. 2/

A brazen heliborne assault to take Hostomel airport with a small airborne element was a puzzling move. I doubt the goal was to land more airborne at a contested airport easily covered by artillery and MLRS. Likely they expected to hold out for ground reinforcements. 3/

So far we've seen only a fraction of the Russian force arrayed for the operation. Unclear if Russian forces reached initial objectives, but best estimate is they expected more rapid gains & less resistance. 4/

Russian forces seem to be avoiding use of massed fires, except maybe around Kharkiv, focusing on trying to make a speedy advance. Expect they will revert to much larger use of fires when frustrated. Not seeing much in the way of cyber and less EW effects than many anticipated. 5/

Russian forces are mainly sticking to the road network (as in 2014-2015). Early advances made by recon troops, but driving along roads left support units open to ambushes. Already signs of urban warfare and firefights in cities. 6/

There has been heavy fighting around Kharkiv and in Symi. Russian forces tried to advance past Okhtyrka, and it looks like they're attempting to go around Kharkiv. There is also an advance west of Symi to Konotop. This is a very incomplete picture. 7/

Russian forces entered from Belarus and went through Chernobyl exclusion zone to Dymer. Early signs of fighting on outskirts of Kyiv in Obolonskyi distict today. They're clearly going for the capital. 8/

Main breakout appears to be in the south from Crimea. Russian forces pushed to Kherson, and Melitopol. There's sustained fighting for Kherson still and around Antonovsky bridge. Some early signs they may have entered Mykolaiv, but probably just a recon element. 9/

Russian forces retain significant quantitative and qualitative superiority. UKR forces have demonstrated resolve & resilience. Russian conventional overmatch, such as it is, may not translate into attaining their maximalist political aims. This is just the opening of the war. End

# ? Feb 25, 2022 16:32

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Naked Bear posted:

That collision had been captured from another angle that had been filming a different incident. It looks like that was an accident, especially in the context of the video below (which may turn out to be a friendly fire incident). As always, take everything with a grain of sand.

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1497217923106189313

Oh I see they�re borrowing from the Nazis in the battle of the bulge.

I mean if I�m not mistaken you can just shoot them�well with some due process. But wearing enemy uniforms in combat is a big no-no� well at least in terms of hoping to keep any good protections.

Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Feb 25, 2022

# ? Feb 25, 2022 16:32

pantslesswithwolves: Oct 28, 2008

boop the snoot posted:

Cspam is the radical left wing equivalent of TruthMedia or whatever right wing social media utopia Trump wants and tbh cspam existing is a liability to peoples� mental health and shouldnt exist anymore.

The guy who runs the @goons_txt twitter account (mostly quotes from SA threads describing feats of supreme gooniness) broke character and posted this massive screed against CSPAM yesterday.

Edit: my bad, forgot the twitlonger post

quote:

I have become convinced that C-Spam has essentially become infiltrated by fascists who use left wing talking points and ideology to push people towards fascism.The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia has no excuse under any leftist frame of thought. Putin�s Russia is not a leftist state in any way or form. It functions as a far-right Oligarchic Kleptocracy where the power of the capitalist Oligarchic corporations are protected completely by the state and by all rule of law. It is in no way an effective Democracy, and opposing party members are poisoned or arrested on trumped up charges.Within the school of leftist thought you may claim that functionally the United States is the same, I believe there are quite big differences in terms of having somewhat more open elections and allowing freedom of opposing party members. Eitherway, leftists all agree that nothing about the United States political and economical system is �Good.� How you could point to a foreign economic and political system, which is much more unequal, and extremely worse for the proletariat masses as somehow being better because it opposes Westernism is the height of hypocrisy.The invasion of Iraq was extremely illegal and wrong, but for all it�s bad, at the core of it�s government Sadam Hussein was a dictator that ruled without any elections and without the will of the masses. The only person that directed the nation's policy was him. Alternatively, Ukraine is a nation with an elected president, who represents at least marginally the will of people. The majority of Ukranians want to ally themselves with the west and NATO. Their right to self-determination means they should have every right to do so, just as much as Mexico should have every right to ally itself with China and Russia if its people so desired and elected politicians who would enact such a policy.Beyond that the justification for war is grossly wrong. There may be Neonazi�s active in Ukraine. There are also Neonazi�s active in Russia, in the US, in nearly every country in Europe, in pretty much every country on the globe. The ideology of Russia is not far from the Neonazi, Putin and the Russian Military differ little from Hitler in their overarching ideology, and only in how willing he is to voice his beliefs publicly. Their concepts come directly from fascist books such as The Foundation of Geopolitics. Fascist politicians are extremely influential in Russian politics. Their main goal has been to push fascism throughout the world. On the world stage there can be no doubt. Beyond the Bourgeoisie, Russia represents the old system - From Monarchism to Imperialism to Feudalism. They are not a friend of the working class in any way or form, and the goal of Russia is to retrench the world back towards reactionary ideologies and nationalism by creating an alliance of fascist nationalist states similar to their own.Saying you are invading Ukraine to denazify it is like saying you are invading Chile to decommunize it. Recent elections there did involve a coalition with communist parties, for example.Russians activity in Syria leaves little imagination or justification to the effect that they represent the entrenched upper classes. The Syrian war was essentially a class conflict, brought on by a famine in the countryside that pushed the poor impoverished agricultors into the cities who were summarily ignored by the Syrian Dictator Bashar-Al Assad. The war started due to class conflict between the poor impoverished masses and the capitalist Dictatorship rulers. Russia could have supported left-leaning groups such as the YPG and other organizations focused on improving the conditions of the poor in Syria via socialism. They did not because they do not represent leftism nor are friends of leftists in any way or form. Russia will always side with the bourgeoisie and ruling classes and if you continue to support them and they win they will be happy to enact fascist dictatorships throughout the world.When you defend the invasion of Ukraine you are essentially defending fascism. You are defending a reactionary response to democracy. You are defending Russian Imperialism, Russian Oligarchy, Nationalism and Fascism. There is no way around it.For as much as you may hate NATO and the US or the West there is no defense for Russia and their actions here. There is nothing leftist about this and if members of C-Spam are defending the Russian invasion of the Ukraine they are defending fascism and inviting its spread through Europe, the US and the rest of the world. I have serious doubts that any of the posters who defend these things are actual leftists, if anything I believe they are fascists who have infiltrated the forums long ago and use left-wing talking points to push fascism. We can see that throughout the internet this has been a common tactic used by Fascists on other social media networks and forums.In the days pre-internet, when thought was printed, the spread of news took
forever - and the quantity of opinions was limited. Freedom of speech was essential. Just as with guns, we have evolved, in the past we had invented simple revolvers, and they may be acceptable for some self defense use. But as technology has advanced so have weapons, instead of revolvers we have AR-15s and semi-automatic weapons in the hands of common people who use them in ways that are irresponsible and dangerous. These weapons of mass war don�t belong in the hands of common people. As weapons technology has advanced so has the internet and social media. In this day and age freedom of mass speech and spread of misinformation from groups with very little actual power is as dangerous as a machine-gun.I call on Jeffrey and the rest of SA to either shut down C-SPAM or investigate and ban potentially subversive fascist posters in that forum. They are not doing anyone any good and they are in fact potentially pushing people down a pigeonhole that radicalizes them towards far-right ideologies. I say this from personal experience. This is dangerous.

pantslesswithwolves fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Feb 25, 2022

# ? Feb 25, 2022 16:34

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pantslesswithwolves posted:

The guy who runs the @goons_txt twitter account (mostly quotes from SA threads describing feats of supreme gooniness) broke character and posted this massive screed against CSPAM yesterday.

Was it posted as a giant wall of text like that? This seems very unhinged.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 16:37

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

https://twitter.com/ukrainelive2022/status/1497106587877584896?s=21

OK I can�t imagine the Ukrainian still actually have an official named Commissar� so I figure it�s just some random military official.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 16:42

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# ? Feb 25, 2022 16:42

maffew buildings: Apr 29, 2009; too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

Stultus Maximus posted:

Also, and this is important, Russia has the world's largest nuclear arsenal. MAD is still a thing. Whether NATO has countries bordering Russia or not, nobody is going to threaten the territorial integrity of a major nuclear power.

The discounting of MAD is worrisome and seems to be treated like 'Oh there's nothing to gain it won't happen'...much like this invasion. It isnt real until it is I guess.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 16:47

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

maffew buildings posted:

The discounting of MAD is worrisome and seems to be treated like 'Oh there's nothing to gain it won't happen'...much like this invasion. It isnt real until it is I guess.

That was why Macron basically reminded Putin that they had nukes as well yesterday.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 16:50

Johnny Five-Jaces: Jan 21, 2009

ASAPI posted:

Was it posted as a giant wall of text like that? This seems very unhinged.

it;s 100% correct beyond the speculation about LGM in CSPAM

# ? Feb 25, 2022 16:55

pantslesswithwolves: Oct 28, 2008

ASAPI posted:

Was it posted as a giant wall of text like that? This seems very unhinged.

That's a formatting thing- it was supposed to be a series of tweets posted in one contiguous thread.

https://twitter.com/Goons_TXT/status/1496938536620146694?s=20&t=z_AZCfSbQTPUJ-MTqznl6Q

# ? Feb 25, 2022 16:55

Handsome Ralph: Sep 3, 2004; Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!

pantslesswithwolves posted:

The guy who runs the @goons_txt twitter account (mostly quotes from SA threads describing feats of supreme gooniness) broke character and posted this massive screed against CSPAM yesterday.

Edit: my bad, forgot the twitlonger post

Here's a version with better spacing and breaks

StopFascism posted:

I have become convinced that C-Spam has essentially become infiltrated by fascists who use left wing talking points and ideology to push people towards fascism.

The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia has no excuse under any leftist frame of thought. Putin�s Russia is not a leftist state in any way or form. It functions as a far-right Oligarchic Kleptocracy where the power of the capitalist Oligarchic corporations are protected completely by the state and by all rule of law. It is in no way an effective Democracy, and opposing party members are poisoned or arrested on trumped up charges.

Within the school of leftist thought you may claim that functionally the United States is the same, I believe there are quite big differences in terms of having somewhat more open elections and allowing freedom of opposing party members. Eitherway, leftists all agree that nothing about the United States political and economical system is �Good.� How you could point to a foreign economic and political system, which is much more unequal, and extremely worse for the proletariat masses as somehow being better because it opposes Westernism is the height of hypocrisy.

The invasion of Iraq was extremely illegal and wrong, but for all it�s bad, at the core of it�s government Sadam Hussein was a dictator that ruled without any elections and without the will of the masses. The only person that directed the nation's policy was him. Alternatively, Ukraine is a nation with an elected president, who represents at least marginally the will of people. The majority of Ukranians want to ally themselves with the west and NATO. Their right to self-determination means they should have every right to do so, just as much as Mexico should have every right to ally itself with China and Russia if its people so desired and elected politicians who would enact such a policy.

Beyond that the justification for war is grossly wrong. There may be Neonazi�s active in Ukraine. There are also Neonazi�s active in Russia, in the US, in nearly every country in Europe, in pretty much every country on the globe. The ideology of Russia is not far from the Neonazi, Putin and the Russian Military differ little from Hitler in their overarching ideology, and only in how willing he is to voice his beliefs publicly. Their concepts come directly from fascist books such as The Foundation of Geopolitics. Fascist politicians are extremely influential in Russian politics. Their main goal has been to push fascism throughout the world. On the world stage there can be no doubt. Beyond the Bourgeoisie, Russia represents the old system - From Monarchism to Imperialism to Feudalism. They are not a friend of the working class in any way or form, and the goal of Russia is to retrench the world back towards reactionary ideologies and nationalism by creating an alliance of fascist nationalist states similar to their own.

Saying you are invading Ukraine to denazify it is like saying you are invading Chile to decommunize it. Recent elections there did involve a coalition with communist parties, for example.

Russians activity in Syria leaves little imagination or justification to the effect that they represent the entrenched upper classes. The Syrian war was essentially a class conflict, brought on by a famine in the countryside that pushed the poor impoverished agricultors into the cities who were summarily ignored by the Syrian Dictator Bashar-Al Assad. The war started due to class conflict between the poor impoverished masses and the capitalist Dictatorship rulers. Russia could have supported left-leaning groups such as the YPG and other organizations focused on improving the conditions of the poor in Syria via socialism. They did not because they do not represent leftism nor are friends of leftists in any way or form. Russia will always side with the bourgeoisie and ruling classes and if you continue to support them and they win they will be happy to enact fascist dictatorships throughout the world.

When you defend the invasion of Ukraine you are essentially defending fascism. You are defending a reactionary response to democracy. You are defending Russian Imperialism, Russian Oligarchy, Nationalism and Fascism. There is no way around it.

For as much as you may hate NATO and the US or the West there is no defense for Russia and their actions here. There is nothing leftist about this and if members of C-Spam are defending the Russian invasion of the Ukraine they are defending fascism and inviting its spread through Europe, the US and the rest of the world. I have serious doubts that any of the posters who defend these things are actual leftists, if anything I believe they are fascists who have infiltrated the forums long ago and use left-wing talking points to push fascism. We can see that throughout the internet this has been a common tactic used by Fascists on other social media networks and forums.

In the days pre-internet, when thought was printed, the spread of news took forever - and the quantity of opinions was limited. Freedom of speech was essential. Just as with guns, we have evolved, in the past we had invented simple revolvers, and they may be acceptable for some self defense use. But as technology has advanced so have weapons, instead of revolvers we have AR-15s and semi-automatic weapons in the hands of common people who use them in ways that are irresponsible and dangerous. These weapons of mass war don�t belong in the hands of common people. As weapons technology has advanced so has the internet and social media. In this day and age freedom of mass speech and spread of misinformation from groups with very little actual power is as dangerous as a machine-gun.

I call on Jeffrey and the rest of SA to either shut down C-SPAM or investigate and ban potentially subversive fascist posters in that forum. They are not doing anyone any good and they are in fact potentially pushing people down a pigeonhole that radicalizes them towards far-right ideologies. I say this from personal experience. This is dangerous.

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pantslesswithwolves posted:

That's a formatting thing- it was supposed to be a series of tweets posted in one contiguous thread.

IDK if he broke character, might have just been him posting a Goon.txt :shrug:

# ? Feb 25, 2022 16:55

boop the snoot: Jun 3, 2016

Mods being russian fascist plants wouldn�t surprise me, tbh

# ? Feb 25, 2022 16:57

Butter Activities: May 4, 2018

It is very darkly funny that the Wagner group is part of a crusade on the pretext of �de-Nazification�

It would be awesome if Azov and Wagner/GRU could all just kill each other and leave everyone else out of it but Russia has created the circumstances in which Azov will definitely be way more influential than they ever would have been and may actually be able to break into national politics.

Israel kinda did the same thing with Palestine though more deliberate by effectively making Hamas the only game in town for resistance and then pointing to them as proof Palestinians are terrorist jihadists.

Also my prediction is that once the insurgency starts CIA will send Azov and likeminded types disproportionate support over all the other Ukrainian armed groups just like Afghanistan or early Syria.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 16:58

Handsome Ralph: Sep 3, 2004; Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!

https://twitter.com/peterawolf/status/1497223306189094916?t=EFag1FwSiG-qzTeMQUjSWg&s=19

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:02

Butter Activities: May 4, 2018

Handsome Ralph posted:

https://twitter.com/peterawolf/status/1497223306189094916?t=EFag1FwSiG-qzTeMQUjSWg&s=19

Lmao owned

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:03

Butter Activities: May 4, 2018

Wait does this mean China has now done more than almost every NATO member state to sanction Russia

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:04

Cugel the Clever: Apr 5, 2009; I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

Yeah, seems pretty accurate to me. It'd just take a handful of cryptofascist posters relentlessly amping up the worst ideas and attitudes for the echo chamber to be self-sustaining.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:04

Defenestrategy: Oct 24, 2010

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

Wait does this mean China has now done more than almost every NATO member state to sanction Russia

I mean, that's the power of a state that doesn't have to worry about public opinion. If it suits them domestically they can do whatever.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:07

Duzzy Funlop: Jan 13, 2010; Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Marshal Prolapse posted:

https://twitter.com/ukrainelive2022/status/1497106587877584896?s=21

OK I can�t imagine the Ukrainian still actually have an official named Commissar� so I figure it�s just some random military official.

I mean...it's Twitter reporting, not really surprised

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:07

Handsome Ralph: Sep 3, 2004; Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!

https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1497239871890628649

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

Wait does this mean China has now done more than almost every NATO member state to sanction Russia

lol, no. Not even close.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:09

Hyrax Attack!: Jan 13, 2009; We demand to be taken seriously

pantslesswithwolves posted:

The guy who runs the @goons_txt twitter account (mostly quotes from SA threads describing feats of supreme gooniness) broke character and posted this massive screed against CSPAM yesterday.

Edit: my bad, forgot the twitlonger post

Yeah, forget who posted it but there was a good quote about how online communities need to be judged by the worst content they tolerate.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:11

Bored As Fuck: Jan 1, 2006; Fun Shoe

And they permabanned him. gently caress that sucks.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:11

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Handsome Ralph posted:

https://twitter.com/peterawolf/status/1497223306189094916?t=EFag1FwSiG-qzTeMQUjSWg&s=19

This one line from Snatch seems a bit fitting here from the Russian perspective:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idDW-tqm4Lo&t=90s

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:12

Butter Activities: May 4, 2018

I saw another video on Twitter allegedly of a wounded Russian soldier who was telling people that they were told Ukraine tried to invade Russia, and the invasion was launched with almost no warning and they have no idea what the gently caress is going on.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:15

Duzzy Funlop: Jan 13, 2010; Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Handsome Ralph posted:

https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1497239871890628649

Did I miss some announcement? As of 2 hours ago, Lindner still defended excluding SWIFT from the sanctions against Russia.

To be clear, gently caress that statement, I'm fully aware of the bullshit behind that decision, and would prefer if Europe would unitedly ditch their financial-greed-bullshit and just lay it on.
I'd also be really happy if the US could announce they'd be happy to cut off oil imports from Russia since they - as opposed to Europe - would barely experience any issues outside of the gas-price rising a bit.

But it's a mid-term year and you can't have the gas price rising even more, I guess :negative:

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:22

aphid_licker: Jan 7, 2009

I would not be surprised at all if that truck scene turned out to be friendly fire / hysteria

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:22

Tiny Timbs: Sep 6, 2008

boop the snoot posted:

Cspam is the radical left wing equivalent of TruthMedia or whatever right wing social media utopia Trump wants and tbh cspam existing is a liability to peoples� mental health and shouldnt exist anymore.

It�s like a crucible for toxic and maladaptive personalities

It�s also been part of why I�ve had to struggle to remember that being a leftist or left-leaning doesn�t mean you have to act like *that*

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:23

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Duzzy Funlop posted:

I mean...it's Twitter reporting, not really surprised

I know it�s just such a weird term to see used�for numerous reasons.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:24

Butter Activities: May 4, 2018

aphid_licker posted:

I would not be surprised at all if that truck scene turned out to be friendly fire / hysteria

Apparently the tracked vehicle was seen driving around panicked doing dumb private poo poo and lost after being separated from their unit for a while before that gunfight according to Twitter, though I�m not sure where either the Ukrainian NGs/disguised Russians in the truck came in and why they were there near the lost Strela either way.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:28

pantslesswithwolves: Oct 28, 2008

https://twitter.com/EBU_HQ/status/1497243831112122368

poo poo�s getting real.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:28

ASAPI: Apr 20, 2007; I invented the line.

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

I saw another video on Twitter allegedly of a wounded Russian soldier who was telling people that they were told Ukraine tried to invade Russia, and the invasion was launched with almost no warning and they have no idea what the gently caress is going on.

I've seen videos (with translation) of POWs saying similar. Not sure if it is propaganda or not.

Based on what I am seeing, people have seriously overestimated the capabilities of the Russian military.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:29

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

pantslesswithwolves posted:

https://twitter.com/EBU_HQ/status/1497243831112122368

poo poo’s getting real.

"We'll just have our own competition! With blackjack, and HOOKERS!" :argh:

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:31

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

ASAPI posted:

I've seen videos (with translation) of POWs saying similar. Not sure if it is propaganda or not.

Based on what I am seeing, people have seriously overestimated the capabilities of the Russian military.

The Russian military philosophy has always been "we have a fuckton of people to throw at the enemy"

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:32

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Stultus Maximus posted:

The Russian military philosophy has always been "we have a fuckton of people to throw at the enemy"

Unfortunately one thing they don't have is funds.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:37

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Unfortunately one thing they don't have is funds.

Yeah the Russian economy has been struggling for years, that's part of why all the propaganda and drum beating. Putin doesn't have much else to show.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:37

Butter Activities: May 4, 2018

ASAPI posted:

I've seen videos (with translation) of POWs saying similar. Not sure if it is propaganda or not.

Based on what I am seeing, people have seriously overestimated the capabilities of the Russian military.

I mean it�s definitely propaganda but it doesn�t mean it�s wrong.

Stultus Maximus posted:

The Russian military philosophy has always been "we have a fuckton of people to throw at the enemy"

That�s definitely much more a holdover of Cold War propaganda than reality, the whole Soviet horde human wave was from Germans talking about fighting the Soviets.

Russian doctrine has generally been designed to rely less on enlisted and NCO initiative than NATO doctrine which is why I guess they thought they could keep most troops in the dark though obviously that�s terrible for morale.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:44

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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

It is very surreal to see combat footage in places more similar to where I�ve lived and don�t think of as war zones. I�m so used to footage from Syrian deserts and rural areas versus what looks like the parking lot my apartment.

You ever see footage of the brits in northern ireland in the troubles? It's weird.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:49

Hyrax Attack!: Jan 13, 2009; We demand to be taken seriously

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

That�s definitely much more a holdover of Cold War propaganda than reality, the whole Soviet horde human wave was from Germans talking about fighting the Soviets.

Russian doctrine has generally been designed to rely less on enlisted and NCO initiative than NATO doctrine which is why I guess they thought they could keep most troops in the dark though obviously that�s terrible for morale.

Yeah I'm no expert but in addition to a large manpower reserve during WWII soviets had excellent tanks and planes, competent generals, and used effective tactics such as deep battle and deception for their biggest wins such as Bagration. They did take heavy casualties throughout the war but their winning strategy wasn't human wave attacks until the german killbots reached their limit and shut down. They had massive manpower in WWI as well but that was a loss.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 17:51

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Hyrax Attack! posted:

Yeah I'm no expert but in addition to a large manpower reserve during WWII soviets had excellent tanks and planes, competent generals, and used effective tactics such as deep battle and deception for their biggest wins such as Bagration. They did take heavy casualties throughout the war but their winning strategy wasn't human wave attacks until the german killbots reached their limit and shut down. They had massive manpower in WWI as well but that was a loss.

Something that's also overlooked I think is that Russian losses were mostly in the early years of the war when their lowest readiness troops were getting steamrolled by veteran German divisions. In the later years of the war when most German units were degraded while the Soviets regained the initative were bringing in well trained and equipped troops I think the Russians actually started taking fewer KIA than the Germans, way before the volkstrum stuff.

# ? Feb 25, 2022 18:01

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