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mackensie posted:Surprised there is no blackout, especially of the steeples which are awesome aiming points. Russians have night vision equipment and GLONASS, might not help much. A total blackout might even encourage attacks on civilians, "eh nobody's home, gonna bomb those houses!"
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KitConstantine posted:Black black humor. Ukranian soldier with a message to Russian soldiers. Click through and scroll up for original source, posting the version with a translation I hope this guy gets to tell his kids about how he went headfirst at the invader, was first in line to protect his people, whatever the end of this war looks like.
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Independent of the actual conflict, these past 2 days have been home to some of the loving stone cold hardest statements known to man. The Ukranian ambassador saying to the Russian ambassador "there is no purgatory for war criminals, you're going straight to Hell." The 25 year old girl responding to "what are you doing after this" with "making molotovs." The whole Ghost of Kyiv thing. "Ukranians, surrender." "Russian warship, go gently caress yourselves." "How long can you hold out?" "Forever." And now the reoccuring "welcome to Hell, Russians." Just absolute galvanizing poo poo, beyond inspirational. Good luck to Kyiv tonight.
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Play posted:I mean, just as a general truisum, a military alliance totally unwilling to be pushed into war seems somewhat... useless. It's basically exactly that sentiment which Putin is and has been taking advantage of.
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Feb 25, 2022 22:13
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TulliusCicero posted:Ooohhh I feel like even the highest ranking generals would see embedded assets as "Operative Blue" or something since that's a different department.
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Feb 25, 2022 22:14
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Play posted:I mean, just as a general truisum, a military alliance totally unwilling to be pushed into war seems somewhat... useless. It's not a military alliance, it's a mutual defence alliance. The entire point is to avoid war.
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fatherboxx posted:My favorite video of the day We're going to need a gravitational wave observatory to study that guy's balls. 
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Feb 25, 2022 22:14
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There was also a woman who handed some seeds to a Russian soldier and told him to put them in his pocket so at least some sunflowers would grow when he died.
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Feb 25, 2022 22:15
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1497315065980022785?s=20&t=raHqv9azDzM6VyclCh7AaA Ask Bibi where he's got the nuclear weapons E: it's Naftali Bennett now
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Feb 25, 2022 22:15
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Play posted:NATO should've brought in Ukraine a while back, before troops were ever massing at the border. Easier to say in retrospect but was the only thing preventing that not wanting to make Russia mad? Or were there other reasons? Because they aren't there, substantially.
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Feb 25, 2022 22:15
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TheRat posted:There's been hostile troops in Ukraine since at least 2014 I have a loose understanding of this, but that loose understanding entails that Ukraine's leadership vassalated back and forth unable to commit to the NATO process. Diplomatic military and economic pressure from their neighbor to the east probably made commitments to getting that started rather difficult for any leader with polonium sensitivity.
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Feb 25, 2022 22:16
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von Vicious posted:Does invoking article 5 mean anything but help with defense against the cyberattacks in this context?
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Nazzadan posted:Independent of the actual conflict, these past 2 days have been home to some of the loving stone cold hardest statements known to man. 100% agreed, great list
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Nazzadan posted:Independent of the actual conflict, these past 2 days have been home to some of the loving stone cold hardest statements known to man. You forgot "At least take these sunflower seeds so they'll grow where you die."
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Feb 25, 2022 22:18
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TheRat posted:It's not a military alliance, it's a mutual defence alliance. The entire point is to avoid war. A mutual defense alliance is a military alliance. This is like saying something is a square not a rectangle.
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Feb 25, 2022 22:18
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DarklyDreaming posted:I feel like even the highest ranking generals would see embedded assets as "Operative Blue" or something since that's a different department. Something tells me there was some actual Kompromat poo poo in there because twitter blipped it out of existence just now "This tweet violated the rules"
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TheRat posted:It's not a military alliance, it's a mutual defence alliance. The entire point is to avoid war. And I'm saying that if Ukraine had been added to NATO at a more opportune time, for example when they first requested it fifteen years ago, things might be different now. Or maybe not! That's the fun with pointless hypotheticals. mdemone posted:Because they aren't there, substantially. Yeah I get that but 'freezing' implies it could/would be unfrozen at some future time. I guess it is a further tool of diplomacy, however much use that might be.
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Feb 25, 2022 22:19
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Unless combat stops I'll believe its still Putins goal to continue. There's no ceasefire.
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Grouchio posted:Isn't this the exact thing that Putin would do on a peacetime day never mind during wartime - and the exact thing that would trigger article 5 and draw in NATO?? "Article 5 provides that if a NATO Ally is the victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked." Quote taken from NATO's website, bolding is mine. Article 5 doesn't necessarily lead into war, the type of response depends on the members.
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Feb 25, 2022 22:20
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CommieGIR posted:Unless combat stops I'll believe its still Putins goal to continue. There's no ceasefire. Absolutely. If anything this is most likely an attempt to keep them off guard and hoping for a diplomatic solution which will never come. The Russians have done this before. Almost too many times to name.
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Feb 25, 2022 22:20
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https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/02/25/russian-forces-advance-on-kyiv Good breakdown of recent developments "Indeed, Russian (like Soviet) military doctrine calls for multiple “echelons” of forces, with heavy forces kept in reserve. Russia has committed only around 60 battalion tactical groups out of the 110 or so it had massed on Ukraine’s border, according to a Western official. There has been little use of cyber- or electronic-warfare or drones. Some officials suggest these have not been used because of Russian deficiencies; others suspect they are simply being held in reserve. "
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Feb 25, 2022 22:21
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Wait, consent to what amounted to unconditional surrender? Is there some other proposal on the table at this time?
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Play posted:And I'm saying that if Ukraine had been added to NATO at a more opportune time, for example when they first requested it fifteen years ago, things might be different now. From here. Wikipedia posted:Relations between Ukraine and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) started in 1992.[1] Ukraine applied to begin a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) in 2008.[2][3] Plans for NATO membership were shelved by Ukraine following the 2010 presidential election in which Viktor Yanukovych, who preferred to keep the country non-aligned, was elected President.
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Feb 25, 2022 22:22
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Nenonen posted:"Article 5 provides that if a NATO Ally is the victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked." Yeah but suffice to say if Russia attacks a NATO member and they get the same treatment from their allies as Ukraine is right now, there will very quickly be no NATO.
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Feb 25, 2022 22:23
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There Bias Two posted:Wait, consent to what amounted to unconditional surrender? Is there some other proposal on the table at this time? I assume he means meeting proposal rather than terms proposal
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Everyone is getting the definition of "tankie" wrong. In modern usage, it's just a lazy pejorative thrown at literally anyone who criticizes Western democracies when you just want to snipe at people. It has no consistent definition and is typically used to give the impression that MLs are irrational without having to explain why, because it lets you lump them in with authoritarian dickholes with no ideology. Tell me you are a tankie without telling me you are a tankie
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TulliusCicero posted:Something tells me there was some actual Kompromat poo poo in there because twitter blipped it out of existence just now I still had it loaded, and gently caress I should have screenshotted it. Oh well, downloaded the file tho.
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Feb 25, 2022 22:24
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CommieGIR posted:Unless combat stops I'll believe its still Putins goal to continue. There's no ceasefire. Both sides are jockeying for position. The closer Russia is to military victory the less negotiating room Ukraine has. I suspect Putin's calculus is that it's in the bag and unconditional surrender is on the table, but it's possible he judges things costly enough that he will accept limited war objectives (especially if the international community is willing to play ball with sanctions.) Not holding my breath though.
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CommieGIR posted:Unless combat stops I'll believe its still Putins goal to continue. There's no ceasefire. Yeah same. But if they can negotiate a ceasefire and buy themselves time to entrench more or somehow get a favorable peace, then we see.
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Feb 25, 2022 22:25
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Yeah same. But if they can negotiate a ceasefire and buy themselves time to entrench more or somehow get a favorable peace, then we see. That's why the offensive wont stop until a ceasefire is already negotiated.
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fatherboxx posted:https://twitter.com/sumyurban/status/1497289351276998657?t=sZ4tc5c-cCA4HuUfpv1AAg&s=19 That's a scared kid sent to intimidate fathers willing to die and kill.
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quarantinethepast posted:Yeah but suffice to say if Russia attacks a NATO member and they get the same treatment from their allies as Ukraine is right now, there will very quickly be no NATO. Well sure, but it was more about whether the quote meant cyber attacks automatically lead to WWIII. Also everyone, note it said cyber attacks could lead to article 5 response.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Yeah same. But if they can negotiate a ceasefire and buy themselves time to entrench more or somehow get a favorable peace, then we see. I suspect Putin knows that and if he felt a ceasefire would get him closer to his goals, he'd already have done that.
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ReidRansom posted:I still had it loaded, and gently caress I should have screenshotted it. Oh well, downloaded the file tho. Yea, I have the download link in history and it's still up (also got the file). It's some accounts and passwords from Russia's MOD (some passwords feel like they were made up by a 12 year old - 'asasin2014') .
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Nenonen posted:"Article 5 provides that if a NATO Ally is the victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked."
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mmkay posted:Yea, I have the download link in history and it's still up (also got the file). It's some accounts and passwords from Russia's MOD (some passwords feel like they were made up by a 12 year old - 'asasin2014') . Ukraineplans2022updated.docx
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Grouchio posted:What's different about this declaration against cyber-attacks from Russia from the ones Russia has done in the past when Ukraine wasn't getting invaded? I think it's more if Russia does something dramatic in response to sanctions and whatnot. Like, not just ransomware here or some infrastructure disruption there. But like a massive coordinated loving with power plants or something. That kind of big poo poo could be seen as an act of war.
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quarantinethepast posted:Yeah but suffice to say if Russia attacks a NATO member and they get the same treatment from their allies as Ukraine is right now, there will very quickly be no NATO. If Russia tried to do what they're doing to Ukraine to a NATO member the big problem they'd have would be all the American military bases in the way full of American troops, and if any of those troops at all got a hangnail as a result of hostile action it would be the next 9/11
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quarantinethepast posted:Yeah but suffice to say if Russia attacks a NATO member and they get the same treatment from their allies as Ukraine is right now, there will very quickly be no NATO. Point was that Jens Stoltenberg talking about a cyber attack possibly invoking art.5 doesn't have to mean massing tanks around Kaliningrad, it just means that the allies will work together to respond. Probably it would mean increasing their cyber warfare capabilities but other options aren't explicitly barred. And that seems wise, warfare has changed a lot from the 1950's.
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