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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Boris Galerkin posted:

Does this mean Putin has close to or over 700,000,000,000 USD in cash?

Those are Central Bank assets, and few pages ago there was a good explanation that even I understood - most of t is not in cash, almost all of it's in turn registered on accounts in the central banks of Western countries. Which is what makes Russia vulnerable.

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Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin

KitConstantine posted:

Russian Spetznaz appealing to the Ukrainian military directly. Is this common?

https://twitter.com/WorldNewsIL/status/1497566987144384514?t=ymraxBLzcBOVuVRJ7a9sgA&s=19

That has that stereotypical terrorist video vibes all over it.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

KitConstantine posted:

Russian Spetznaz appealing to the Ukrainian military directly. Is this common?

https://twitter.com/WorldNewsIL/status/1497566987144384514?t=ymraxBLzcBOVuVRJ7a9sgA&s=19

Yes, Germans dropped a lot of leaflets over Soviet Union promising to free people from "jewish bolshevism"

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




KitConstantine posted:

Russian Spetznaz appealing to the Ukrainian military directly. Is this common?

https://twitter.com/WorldNewsIL/status/1497566987144384514?t=ymraxBLzcBOVuVRJ7a9sgA&s=19

No, this has been a recent trend on both sides of the conflict.

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

Kavros posted:

See? This! It's all war, but not war! It's allowed.

Eh, theres an incredibly fine line thats somewhat understood by all parties. You can send supplies and provide intel but allowing someone to be based in your countrie and send out strike missions is making that base a viable target. The "war" might not extend beyond someone bombing just that base.

The sending troops is when things get really really blurry.

Edit: In other words Poland sending a military convoy of supplies into the Ukraine would make that convoy an acceptable military target but it would be a huge overreaction to say start bombing polish cities in response.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Unconfirmed, but the guy posting was the Ukrainian Ambassador to Austria for 7 years and likely has connections

https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1497640933625577473?t=HE9MljLTx5J0BB6PcncBEA&s=19

This would seem to confirm the Chechnian units are in country at the least

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006


Wait, Portugal is a NATO member state. Unless these guys are being sent to Poland, wouldn't that be an unwanted escalation?

ofc a 175-big infantry company doesn't seem like it would help much.

Have Some Flowers!
Aug 27, 2004
Hey, I've got Navigate...

Telsa Cola posted:

Thaaaat might not be great from a everyone begining to pile in perspective.

Yeah like, what happens if Ukraine starts to actually win this thing? I don't have "Russian shows great sportsmanship and takes the loss with humility" on my bingo card.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Kavros posted:

See? This! It's all war, but not war! It's allowed.

There's a world of difference between training people and launching attacks.

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014
This is amusing as gently caress. Someone hacked Russian State TV to only play the Ukrainian National Anthem.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t237qi/lmao_all_russian_tvs_are_hacked_to_stream/

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

KitConstantine posted:

Unconfirmed, but the guy posting was the Ukrainian Ambassador to Austria for 7 years and likely has connections

https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1497640933625577473?t=HE9MljLTx5J0BB6PcncBEA&s=19

This would seem to confirm the Chechnian units are in country at the least

They've already been in there sometime, but in small numbers, IIRC.

Also, there's Chechen separatists fighting on the side of Ukraine, too.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

Hell yeah Portugual :portugal:

OgNar
Oct 26, 2002

They tapdance not, neither do they fart
This was up instead of one of the cams for a bit

https://liveuamap.com/


This was the cam feed I got it from

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUkfhlIvvKQ

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Cimber posted:

This is amusing as gently caress. Someone hacked Russian State TV to only play the Ukrainian National Anthem.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t237qi/lmao_all_russian_tvs_are_hacked_to_stream/

If hackers want to really make people poo poo their pants they should make main channels play Swan Lake

WaltherFeng
May 15, 2013

50 thousand people used to live here. Now, it's the Mushroom Kingdom.

Young Freud posted:

Wait, Portugal is a NATO member state. Unless these guys are being sent to Poland, wouldn't that be an unwanted escalation?

ofc a 175-big infantry company doesn't seem like it would help much.

To Romania.

Pookah
Aug 21, 2008

🪶Caw🪶





the popes toes posted:

Another really welcome difference about this conflict is the universal recognition that this is entirely Putin, just Putin, and there's been no demonizing Russians, but oddly sympathy.

Im seeing this sentiment alot on Irish online discussion. The vast majority of posters are talking about this as a Putin aggression, and seeing the Russian soldiers as pawns thrown into a grinder to fulfill his ambitions, and the average Russian citizen as entirely powerless to do anything to stop it.
Everyone is extremely impressed by the courage of those Russian people willing to go out and protest. We know that they are risking at minimum a beating, and quite possibly summary execution for doing so.

A GIANT PARSNIP
Apr 13, 2010

Too much fuckin' eggnog



This is really lovely wording but I believe they’re doing a NATO deployment to Ukraine’s neighbors.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

KitConstantine posted:

Russian Spetznaz appealing to the Ukrainian military directly. Is this common?

https://twitter.com/WorldNewsIL/status/1497566987144384514?t=ymraxBLzcBOVuVRJ7a9sgA&s=19

That sort of thing has a long history, essentially psychological warfare, you can find accounts of that going back to the Assyrians for instnance.

from Wikipedia on Siege of Jerusalem posted:

In an attempt to demoralize the Judeans, the field commander announced to the people on the city walls that Hezekiah was deceiving them, and that Yahweh could not deliver Jerusalem from the king of Assyria. He listed the gods of other peoples defeated by Sennacherib then asked, "Who of all the gods of these countries has been able to save his land from me?"

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Seems like the Bitcoin drive is actually legit and they've raised the equivalent of more than nine million dollars so far:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60517447

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

The UK sprang for express delivery apparently.

I would guess he's saying something along the lines of "We're gonna gently caress you up"

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497649185130176529?t=rnKR-oL3K4lrPBdzOMAQjw&s=19

PederP
Nov 20, 2009

A GIANT PARSNIP posted:

This is really lovely wording but I believe they’re doing a NATO deployment to Ukraine’s neighbors.

Yeah, this sounds like they're offering to help take over border control duties towards Romania, freeing up Ukrainian personnel to go somewhere else. I'm not sure if Ukraine has even maintained much of a presence at the Romanian border. I would imagine they're more worried about the Transdniestrian border.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Didn't see it posted here, don't know how much of this is mind games:

UA government is asking the International Red Cross to facilitate the retrieval and repatriation of "thousands" of killed soldiers back to Russia as a matter of humanitarian need.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/02/26/7326087/

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

Young Freud posted:

I don't really see the big deal about these guys. 10,000 of Kadyrov's gangsters being thrown into this will up the brutality, and that's a shame, but the Chechens won the Chechen wars because of home-field advantage. In Ukraine, they're out of their element. And it's not like most of them have seen this level of combat before: 2nd Chechen was 13 years ago and they've mostly been dealing with a low-level insurgency at this point. They're nothing but bullies and have never fought anyone remotely matched with them.

Chechens were heavily involved in Syria too, and in other conflicts. I think they're significantly more likely to be experienced and well-trained than some of the green troops Russia seems to have been throwing in so far, anyway.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

So there's going to be a moment in the next few weeks where from the Baltic right across to the Black Sea NATO is going to have to bare its teeth and say 'Not one step further', and right now I suspect there's a bit of jockeying among some members of the alliance to show up with more than the minimum they committed to in order to show their value.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Putting more soldiers from different countries into border regions sounds like the ingredients of a “border incident due to poor coordination” or something WWIIIish like that. Godspeed all.

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Trump
Jul 16, 2003

Cute

I wonder if these deliveries are possible without NATO personnel setting foot in Ukraine, it would so loving suck if NATO soldiers were caught moving the material inside Ukraine. (CLANCYCHAT)

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Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin

A GIANT PARSNIP posted:

This is really lovely wording but I believe they’re doing a NATO deployment to Ukraine’s neighbors.

Thats what I believe as well. NATO is going to heavily beef up the borders to both discourage Russia from going close to them and also to be able to directly defend support going into Ukraine.

There seems to be a growing belief that Russian forces are going to make a play at shutting down those supply lines and potentially attacking the border. If that happens it would give NATO justification to then go into Ukraine. I normally wouldn't think that Russian command would be that stupid but as we have seen with this so far they don't seem to be playing with a full deck.

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Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

Kavros posted:

Geopolitics is dumb and likes to carve out bullshit "I'm not touching you you can't tell mom" rules about what is or isn't war. The west is already doing war by way of directly supplying advanced weaponry to Ukraine... just, right out in the open. We just convinced ourselves this was not war war.

So while I fully agree a no fly zone is a terrifyingly unwise escalation, I have given up assuming that's not where this could go just because it's irrational. I know that at this point Russia has shown enough weakness that an individual state might feel compelled to pledge "no fly support" knowing that Russia can't conventionally war against anyone else right now. Cool zone stuff

It may seem like a dumb distinction but there is a ton of precedent behind it. See the US arming/funding/training the mujihadeen in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. Or Russia and China aiding N Vietnam against the Americans. Its what made the war Cold rather than Hot.

Still, I'm surprised Russia hasn't been screaming about American "little green men" on the ground, saying the resistance they face isn't from Ukrainians but instead from foreign terrorists.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

KitConstantine posted:

Russian Spetznaz appealing to the Ukrainian military directly. Is this common?

https://twitter.com/WorldNewsIL/status/1497566987144384514?t=ymraxBLzcBOVuVRJ7a9sgA&s=19

Was fairly common in the wars of yesteryear at least. Airdropping leaflets telling soldiers to give up and go home, or broadcasting over radio etc.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Djarum posted:

Thats what I believe as well. NATO is going to heavily beef up the borders to both discourage Russia from going close to them and also to be able to directly defend support going into Ukraine.

There seems to be a growing belief that Russian forces are going to make a play at shutting down those supply lines and potentially attacking the border. If that happens it would give NATO justification to then go into Ukraine. I normally wouldn't think that Russian command would be that stupid but as we have seen with this so far they don't seem to be playing with a full deck.

NATO is not going into Ukraine under any circumstances. Stop fantasizing about it.

acidx
Sep 24, 2019

right clicking is stealing

steinrokkan posted:

Didn't see it posted here, don't know how much of this is mind games:

UA government is asking the International Red Cross to facilitate the retrieval and repatriation of "thousands" of killed soldiers back to Russia as a matter of humanitarian need.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/02/26/7326087/

They set up a helpline for Russian mothers to call and check the status of their sons as well, so they're definitely trying to promote the idea that they're being forced to kill Russian soldiers who are there against their will because of Putin's greed, but nonetheless they are killing lots of them even if they feel bad about it.

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

steinrokkan posted:

Didn't see it posted here, don't know how much of this is mind games:

UA government is asking the International Red Cross to facilitate the retrieval and repatriation of "thousands" of killed soldiers back to Russia as a matter of humanitarian need.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/02/26/7326087/

Youd get somewhat accurate casualty numbers from this.

WaltherFeng
May 15, 2013

50 thousand people used to live here. Now, it's the Mushroom Kingdom.

Trump posted:

I wonder if these deliveries are possible without NATO personnel setting foot in Ukraine, it would so loving suck if NATO soldiers were caught moving the material inside Ukraine. (CLANCYCHAT)

Nato soldiers are not going to take one step into Ukraine.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Cimber posted:

This is amusing as gently caress. Someone hacked Russian State TV to only play the Ukrainian National Anthem.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t237qi/lmao_all_russian_tvs_are_hacked_to_stream/

They should have hacked them to show war footage.

Mustard Iceman
Apr 8, 2015

Weak against ketchup

fatherboxx posted:

Yes, Germans dropped a lot of leaflets over Soviet Union promising to free people from "jewish bolshevism"

My favorite was the Japanese leaflets encouraging Australian soldiers to bail by warning them that American sailors were back in Australia stealing their girlfriends.

Trump
Jul 16, 2003

Cute

WaltherFeng posted:

Nato soldiers are not going to take one step into Ukraine.

I'd bet there are already personnel from NATO countries inside though.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

KitConstantine posted:

Russian Spetznaz appealing to the Ukrainian military directly. Is this common?

https://twitter.com/WorldNewsIL/status/1497566987144384514?t=ymraxBLzcBOVuVRJ7a9sgA&s=19

Low energy. SAD!

selec
Sep 6, 2003

TheRat posted:

Was fairly common in the wars of yesteryear at least. Airdropping leaflets telling soldiers to give up and go home, or broadcasting over radio etc.

Yup, you can pick up fine examples on eBay for not too much. I got a small collection.

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

Mustard Iceman posted:

My favorite was the Japanese leaflets encouraging Australian soldiers to bail by warning them that American sailors were back in Australia stealing their girlfriends.

Overpaid, oversexed and over here.

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Aug 6, 2013


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Mustard Iceman posted:

My favorite was the Japanese leaflets encouraging Australian soldiers to bail by warning them that American sailors were back in Australia stealing their girlfriends.

A rare bit of true propaganda

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