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Dante posted:Again, this is not a "difficult topic" for the Geneva convention and is something that has been discussed and ratified extensively after video and photography of PoWs were broadcasted during the Vietnam war. The general rule is that photographs/videos of PoWs are only legal if they can't be individually identified. To quote of the ICRC commentary on article 13(2): I think you're saying "The convention as written prohibits this" -- you definitely seem to be right about this -- and the person you're quoting is either saying "it ought not" or alternatively "whether it ought to or not, it's not viable in light of the different environment we operate in". It's maybe a little more interesting to discuss the two latter possibilities, given no court is going to hear this violation any time soon. My instinct is that showing videos of people calling home, the thing we're talking about right now, is prurient and propagandistic and probably not something we should encourage, but that there are other exceptions I would make that would fall afoul of the current language. I think applying the kind of basic media protections most countries already do (black barring peoples eyes, disguising voices, blurring where relevant) would be one step I'd want to take. Applications should probably build in these kinds of privacy-preserving tools in order to be able to enable this easier to do. On a basic level, the documentation of history (if done neutrally and with respect and dignity) would seem to me to outweigh the personal privacy interest of an individual combatant. In this particular instance we also have evidence that the belligerent is engaging in active deceit to its own citizens and to the world well in excess of the regular fog of war and it seems a little silly to tie Ukraine's hands from establishing with a higher level of credibility that their narrative is more truthful than Russia's. The other thing I'd add is that I genuinely do believe that the extent to which the global community has united to help Ukraine stems from Ukraine's savvy use of soft power (via official channels + citizen journalism on social media). In a world where we militate against this kind of behavour, we would sap Ukraine's soft power and reinforce the existing power differential in hard power between the countries. It does not surprise me that the language today doesn't incorporate this balancing act because it was written in a time where many of these things were not concerns, these are basically issues that are maximum are as old as CNN and really come into their own post-2010 with photo and video social media and smartphones. But, as others have said above, this wouldn't be in my top 10,000 priorities right now.
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Sinteres posted:If the Russian government was actively supplying them, which I don't think is clear at all, they certainly weren't making open promises of deliveries and rubbing it in our faces. Plus they obviously weren't handing out MANPADS and poo poo either way. Attacking each other covertly is part of the game great powers play with each other, and making your owns public really is an escalation in a sense, on top of the reality that you can obviously move a whole lot more when you aren't even bothering to hide it. Rubbing their face in it is entirely the point of releasing the information. Whereas it was more beneficial for Russia to back channel their weapons to the Middle East. These are different political climates. There’s not going to be a Clancy nato escalation because of the weapons being delivered.
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Strangely One America News has been down (Trumps fav news channel). Suspect they were based out of or paid for by Russians. https://www.oann.com/
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evilweasel posted:To put this in greater context: the drone is blowing up an anti-air battery. The airborne drone. Not a shining moment for Russian forces. The Buk is not the kind of air defense weapon that can just stop on a dime and shoot at stuff, but, that is definitely a reason why air defense units are not a panacea against drone attack.
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KitConstantine posted:Norway also divesting from Russia. It's probably a good idea even independent of the war. The Russian economy is certainly going places, but it ain't the high kind
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https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1498001237983129605 Makes sense, since it will all be worthless by Tuesday. efb
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Charliegrs posted:I've seen a few videos like this where regular citizens are stepping in front of tanks. I'm surprised as hell that the Russians haven't been shooting at them when they do that. I wonder if that speaks to the level of morale that the average Russian soldier has right now in Ukraine. Like I'm sure many of them don't really believe the bullshit they've been hearing from Russian media about Ukrainians all being Nazis and whatnot. And Ukrainians arent super foreign to Russians like they share very similar cultures and of course most Ukrainians speak Russian. It probably must feel like if American soldiers were sent to invade Canada. Even American soldiers won't usually just shoot unarmed civilians that are getting in the way, and we're uncommonly excited to commit war crimes.
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https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1498002460279021570 not ideal
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OgNar posted:Strangely One America News has been down (Trumps fav news channel). lmao
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steinrokkan posted:there was a legit link, but probably also a bunch of opportunist fakes Yeah, the main link being legit was what I'd gathered as well. I see the argument for prioritizing proper charity, but this is a situation where one side is so obviously in the right that I wouldn't mind supporting them directly.
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Mokotow posted:I think I was gifted PMs, but they don’t work. sent you something.
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ummel posted:https://twitter.com/EuroMaydan/status/1497994579001462795 They’re yelling “slava Ukraine” which google says means “glory to Ukraine.” Is the word slava here the same word as the nickname for Vyacheslav = Slava? Just wondering. E: mmkay posted:https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220227-russian-official-apologises-for-war-in-ukraine-at-un-climate-meet I’m guessing he’s gonna be found dead of suicide soon. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Feb 27, 2022 |
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Turkey now referring to the conflict as "war" which usage allows them interdiction of Russian carriers through the straits. Not that they will do it. Russia's isolation is complete with the only major state exception of China. It really is the end for that madman.
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https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220227-russian-official-apologises-for-war-in-ukraine-at-un-climate-meet The Russian head of delegation at a major UN climate conference apologised for his country's invasion of Ukraine on Sunday
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steinrokkan posted:there was a legit link, but probably also a bunch of opportunist fakes https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1497594592438497282 This link has been up for a day from the official account and has been corroborated as official (you can check the comments). Boris Galerkin posted:They’re yelling “slava Ukraine” which google says means “glory to Ukraine.” Is the word slava here the same word as the nickname for Vyacheslav = Slava? Just wondering. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_to_Ukraine quote:"Glory to Ukraine" (Ukrainian: Слава Україні! Героям слава!, romanized: Slava Ukraini! Heroiam slava!; transl. "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!") is a Ukrainian national salute. It appeared at the beginning of the 20th century in different variations, when it became wildly popular among ethnic Ukrainians during the Ukrainian War of Independence of 1917 to 1921.[1] It gained worldwide prominence as a slogan during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, and was set to music by Norwegian composer Marcus Paus.
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Panzeh posted:The Buk is not the kind of air defense weapon that can just stop on a dime and shoot at stuff, but, that is definitely a reason why air defense units are not a panacea against drone attack. To be fair the TB-2 isn't a Mach 2 plane zooming in at low altitude that would require air defenses to stop on a dime (anyways they are stopped in the video) and shoot at stuff. This is a rather large and slow drone, cruising at reasonably high altitude based on the angle of the camera. Of course, ideally the air defenses moving up toward the front would be covered by other air defenses so they don't get pasted from the air - many of which on paper would have absurdly long engagement envelopes against something like the TB-2. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Feb 27, 2022 |
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OgNar posted:Strangely One America News has been down (Trumps fav news channel).  Holy poo poo have they been a Russian front the whole time?! That explains the AMERCUH aesthetic to the point of parody
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Man Plan Canal posted:In this particular instance we also have evidence that the belligerent is engaging in active deceit to its own citizens and to the world well in excess of the regular fog of war and it seems a little silly to tie Ukraine's hands from establishing with a higher level of credibility that their narrative is more truthful than Russia's Which makes it even more important to respect the convention. It's not far fetched to assume that Russian authorities would punish the soliders or their families for helping an enemy break their narrative.
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Super interesting article with coverage from the Russian side of the border across from Kharkiv https://twitter.com/JussiKonttinen/status/1498001831028346880?t=QRzlv0V1MDcuI0D-bQURAg&s=19 Translated excerpts: Forces moving through to go to Ukraine posted:Cars with armored windows also came from the border with the name of Rosgvardija on the national map, although it should only work in Russia. Damage on the other side of the border posted:Larisa Galchenko's house, which also has a broken roof, was the worst .
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Boris Galerkin posted:They’re yelling “slava Ukraine” which google says means “glory to Ukraine.” Is the word slava here the same word as the nickname for Vyacheslav = Slava? Just wondering. You can find the word everywhere in Slavonic languages and names. Vladislav means “rule” or “power” + “glory” or “fame”. Bogoslaw is the same with “god” etc.
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OgNar posted:Strangely One America News has been down (Trumps fav news channel). You have to wonder by the end of this if all the alt-right bullshit might dry up along with Putin since a lot of it (if not all of it) pretty much all leads back to him. Maybe not for us in the states since there's always some old white rear end in a top hat willing to spend money on going back to them "good ol' days" but for Europe, I wonder...
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OgNar posted:Strangely One America News has been down (Trumps fav news channel). It's more likely they're being DDOS'ed. Web hosting doesn't work in a way that would mean they'd be cut off the minute the money ran out. They're definitely Russian backed but the banking stuff won't be why they're down.
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morothar posted:You can find the word everywhere in Slavonic languages and names. Vladislav means “rule” or “power” + “glory” or “fame”. Bogoslaw is the same with “god” etc. I’m just wondering cause I know a guy named Vyacheslav who goes by Slava.
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Charliegrs posted:I've seen a few videos like this where regular citizens are stepping in front of tanks. I'm surprised as hell that the Russians haven't been shooting at them when they do that. I wonder if that speaks to the level of morale that the average Russian soldier has right now in Ukraine. Like I'm sure many of them don't really believe the bullshit they've been hearing from Russian media about Ukrainians all being Nazis and whatnot. And Ukrainians arent super foreign to Russians like they share very similar cultures and of course most Ukrainians speak Russian. It probably must feel like if American soldiers were sent to invade Canada. The one thing with this sort of propaganda is that it kind of cuts both ways, presupposing a measure of restraint or humanity on the part of the aggressor. I'm reminded of how the Chinese government frames the famous Tank Man picture from the Tiananmen Square protests, when forced to comment on it.
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the popes toes posted:Turkey now referring to the conflict as "war" which usage allows them interdiction of Russian carriers through the straits. Not that they will do it. Russia's isolation is complete with the only major state exception of China. It really is the end for that madman. I think India is still being vague on support/condemnation also though.
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Riot police in full force and people trying to get into Pushkin Square in Moscow. https://twitter.com/JamesAALongman/status/1497955753705021442?s=20&t=6K3B0FSq44BpS19P_tgy-g edit: Warad posted:You have to wonder by the end of this if all the alt-right bullshit might dry up along with Putin since a lot of it (if not all of it) pretty much all leads back to him. Maybe not for us in the states since there's always some old white rear end in a top hat willing to spend money on going back to them "good ol' days" but for Europe, I wonder... There may be always some white rear end in a top hat in America talking about poo poo, but they definitely got amplified due to the influx of Russian cash. Alex Jones and Infowars for example was being paid by supported by some Russian expat professor in Canada who was a conduit for Russian cash. It just got shadier from there. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Feb 27, 2022 |
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TulliusCicero posted:
It always been there: the Helsinki summit, Trump talking about Russia, Tucker Carson blaming Ukraine for the invasion this week. Fox News also does a lot of work to sell the Russian POV in America.
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https://twitter.com/_sad_bread_/status/1497923958557089794?s=20&t=I0i1okg40-tnO_otVZbyMg Saw this thread detailing ways to share the conflict without being caught and identified as a "dissenter", sorry if it's been posted. Says info comes from an acquaintece in government services, I wonder how much the Russian hacker community is against this war.
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ummel posted:https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1497594592438497282 Thanks for the repost!
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Young Freud posted:Riot police in full force and people trying to get into Pushkin Square in Moscow. Prepping for when the market opens
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https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498005950980145158?s=20&t=ufoIaw8olZLNA6asahVjaw Absolute ghouls. Chernihiv has been quiet. No contact from family there.
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Terminally Bored posted:It always been there: the Helsinki summit, Trump talking about Russia, Tucker Carson blaming Ukraine for the invasion this week. Fox News also does a lot of work to sell the Russian POV in America. Literally Donald Trump's first action as the republican party nominee was to remove support for Ukraine from the republican party platform.
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OgNar posted:Strangely One America News has been down (Trumps fav news channel).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni4St21uhgk A video roundup on the front line. I have no information as to how accurate or inaccurate it is.
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https://twitter.com/dalperovitch/status/1498002460279021570?s=21 Mayor of Kiev reporting city is encircled, but that does not seem right. He’d know better Thani though. Does anyone have any idea what the status of the UA mechanized forces are? I had read that the all mechanized formations were being carefully husbanded out of contact with Russian forces until they are strategically “needed.”
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OgNar posted:Strangely One America News has been down (Trumps fav news channel). The site loads fine for me
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and take with a massive grain of salt but apparently the state of Russian logistics right now. https://twitter.com/eskelinen_antti/status/1498003888531820545
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There Bias Two posted:The site loads fine for me Yeah it was down for a while but it's back now. Nothing lasts forever, sadly.
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Warad posted:You have to wonder by the end of this if all the alt-right bullshit might dry up along with Putin since a lot of it (if not all of it) pretty much all leads back to him. Maybe not for us in the states since there's always some old white rear end in a top hat willing to spend money on going back to them "good ol' days" but for Europe, I wonder... Definitely tearing some fault lines among the populists, the most notorious politician of TF here in Finland for example is ardently pro-Ukraine which I can't imagine sits well with the Putinist side of the party.
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GABA ghoul posted:2% has been a goal for some time, but I think this will move the time tables up a lot. I have no problem with this. Let some of these European countries finally pay their fair share of military budgets.
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