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dominoeffect posted:I don't know if I'd say that Russia is one of the world's largest economies. To me, "one of the largest" means top 3 or top 5 maybe. According to Wikipedia, it's in the 11th spot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal). Purchasing Power Parity is probably a better gauge, since the Russian rouble has been abnormally weak since 2014 or so but it has a lot of natural resources and domestic manufacturing. A lot of higher GDP countries have large financial sectors, which move a lot of magic numbers around but don't matter on fundamentals. That makes Russia #6, still out of the top 5 and behind Germany, but more respectable. Giant caveat is we have absolutely no idea what the impact of sanctions will be.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:The retreating column was following a UN resolution which required them to return to Iraq. They were obeying international demands to end the conflict by abandoning the invasion. The international community gave Iraq an off ramp, which they took, and then the US bombed the poo poo out of them anyway. This isn't even touching on the obvious use of disproportionate force. The Iraqi soldiers were not innocent little lambs, but the decision to box the column in and just kill as many as possible wasn't an ethical use of force. The resolution you speak of was in August of 1990, the turkey shoot was on the following latter half of February so basically you are full of poo poo.
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:That's fair. I think we're in consensus in general, we just disagree on how significant the propaganda portion is? Thank you for the discussion. lol i am a moron posted:*points gun at u* (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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KitConstantine posted:Well seems like reality is setting in in Russia. Though this job sounds impossible So, the background here is that there’s been a long running saga of finding импортозамещения, or replacements for imports. As you may expect, quite frequently this is a simple grift where functional poo poo gets replace by a barely adequate domestic “equivalent”, that is not at all guaranteed to be cheaper. This is going to be quite the spectacle.
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William Bear posted:https://twitter.com/nancyayoussef/status/1498809357349408776?t=VxfHP-P3HmPqXbVh76Xe7g&s=19 The whole airline industry in Russia got sanctioned very hard. They no longer are allowed to procure parts for Airbus/Boeing and maintenance contracts will not be able to be fulfilled. I believe most commercial planes are on a rolling maintenance program where maintenance is done in a progressive fashion to keep the downtime low. They're only taken down for longer when serious maintenance needs to be done. Due to them not being able to import parts, I imagine a lot of the planes will become unairworthy fast. That's assuming that they even have routes to fly depending on how long this goes. dominoeffect fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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Play posted:I mean, it COULD easily be true. You just don't know. Which is why its effective, even if it introduced only the tiniest sliver of doubt. It’s better that it’s not true, because the FSB will still have to investigate and if no leaker is found, it just heightens the paranoia.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:So, the background here is that there’s been a long running saga of finding импортозамещения, or replacements for imports. As you may expect, quite frequently this is a simple grift where functional poo poo gets replace by a barely adequate domestic “equivalent”, that is not at all guaranteed to be cheaper. Where else would you go for barely functional poo poo to replace actual useable products than China? I wonder if you can measure Russian IP access to aliexpress
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cinci zoo sniper posted:This is going to be quite the spectacle. I'm impressed they're giving them 8 days to do it instead of an hour surprise notice.
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dominoeffect posted:The whole airline industry in Russia got sanctioned very hard. They no longer are allowed to procure parts for Airbus/Boeing and maintenance contracts will not be able to be fulfilled. I believe most commercial planes are on a rolling maintenance program where maintenance is done in a progressive fashion to keep the downtime low. They're only taken down for longer times when serious maintenance needs to be done. Due to them not being able to import parts, I imagine a lot of the planes will become unairworthy fast. That's assuming that they even have routes to fly depending on how long this goes. Honestly with all the closures I don't really know if they can turn a profit. They might shutter for a bit.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Folks, remember the list chat some time ago? Its not a list unless its visible in putins hands and the photo was taken in the last 5 minutes
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Mellow Seas posted:If "we found out your plans from your most trusted intelligence officials it is kind of an obvious psyop. if a fsb official did tell you, the absolute last thing you'd do is tell everyone that's how you found out and thereby risk your source's life.
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Play posted:Where else would you go for barely functional poo poo to replace actual useable products than China? Getting stuff from China still is an act of importing.
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Dante posted:Russia is both one of the worlds largest economies and the second largest weapon exporter after the US, and they have spent decades behind an iron curtain before. Aside from that, these sanctions are from the west which aren't in the habit of supplying military grade parts to Russia anyway. They still have a working relationship with plenty of countries, including a bunch of basically client states. Much like the 1990 prequel to this, it's more likely to be the cost of supplying the army rather than the supplies that will be the problem. Russias economy isn’t even in the top 10.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:So, the background here is that there’s been a long running saga of finding импортозамещения, or replacements for imports. As you may expect, quite frequently this is a simple grift where functional poo poo gets replace by a barely adequate domestic “equivalent”, that is not at all guaranteed to be cheaper.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:I'm impressed they're giving them 8 days to do it instead of an hour surprise notice. Would be unfair to give fewer than 6 days to build an Airbus factory in Vorkuta.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Getting stuff from China still is an act of importing. It says to replace 'imports that are now sanctioned', are all imports sanctioned from China? I assume this means fairly regular poo poo as well as more complex stuff?
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Mellow Seas posted:If "we found out your plans from your most trusted intelligence officials Except it's supported by a thwarted airborne invasion that took everyone by surprise, except the Ukrainians, and that bulk of the Ukrainian Air Force was airborne the moment missiles struck their airbases, so they got intelligence of the assault and strikes and more well in advance. Shitshow posted:It’s better that it’s not true, because the FSB will still have to investigate and if no leaker is found, it just heightens the paranoia. And it'll give those looking to advance or get rid of a rival an opportunity to do so by framing others as traitors. It'll create an environment where betrayal and double-guessing that creates hesitation and hinders the truth. They won't be able to trust one another or any information they've reported or analyzed because "this might be the thing that gets me against a wall in the near future". Young Freud fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1498748199116447744 gently caress Rubio, I know he's implying he wants a no-fly zone
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Pablo Bluth posted:Which I assume is going to be more noticeable than to the average USSR citizen who only ever had the soviet experience. China will still be a route for a lot of stuff but there's not going to be any iPhones or flying off to Milan for handbag shopping. It’s not going to be total, this will first focus on state enterprises. For instance, replacing foreign-made computers or software with Russian-made. 😄
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Willo567 posted:https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1498748199116447744 I mean, what about a Berlin Airlift type food resupply? I don't know how that would work logistically without fratricide or escalation, but I also don't know how to avoid a catastrophic starvation of a city under siege in 2022.
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Play posted:It says to replace 'imports that are now sanctioned', are all imports sanctioned from China? I assume this means fairly regular poo poo as well as more complex stuff? China cannot magic wand sanctioned quite anything into Russia. Especially stuff like airplane parts, manufactured solely in Europe. Stuff that’s originally Chinese is the last thing on Russia’s mind right now.
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Eregos posted:This is why I want to rush weapons into Ukraine ASAP. Because the Ukrainian people are going to fight - this descending into a horrible slaughter can't really be avoided. The question is whether we give them a fighting chance or not. It seems better to help them fight, and try to break the will of the Russian military, which seems fragile, like the Iranians broke the Iraqi army's will in 1980's. What’s the best way to donate money right now?
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Velius posted:I mean, what about a Berlin Airlift type food resupply? I don't know how that would work logistically without fratricide or escalation, but I also don't know how to avoid a catastrophic starvation of a city under siege in 2022. Russians would just shoot down the aircraft, as is.
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Russians have not been insulated from the costs of this war like Americans were. If it goes to attrition I don’t see Russia being able to last even a year with the sacrifices they’re being forced to make.
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William Bear posted:https://twitter.com/nancyayoussef/status/1498809357349408776?t=VxfHP-P3HmPqXbVh76Xe7g&s=19 So is it only aeroflot you cant fly into russia? are other carriers still flying us-russia
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Velius posted:I mean, what about a Berlin Airlift type food resupply? I don't know how that would work logistically without fratricide or escalation, but I also don't know how to avoid a catastrophic starvation of a city under siege in 2022. It's a big jump to assume Russia is going to try and cut off food. They allowed humanitarian corridors in Grozny and even the Syrian regime had them sometimes. I really doubt it's a strategy, not because they're kind-hearted but because it is pointless. It takes months to starve a city, and they do not wish for this war to take months.
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They also need domestic replacements for investment in their pipelines! Coming right up Putin sir! https://twitter.com/scunningha/status/1498813361059942408?t=XWboRSXhbj9gOMbs_SNgXg&s=19
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Snowy posted:What’s the best way to donate money right now? There’s a good collection of civilian resources in the our SA donation thread. There’s also https://ukrainewar.carrd.co/ maintained by Ukrainian journalists. If you would like to donate to Ukrainian army directly, there are instructions on Ukraine’s official Twitter account (may need to scroll a couple days back).
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Kherson appears to be at least partially in Russian hands, with Russian equipment near the city hall, port, and train station. https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2022/03/2/7327301/
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William Bear posted:That too. What airlines are those flights that are seemingly still crossing EU-Russian borders? Anyway given the aftermath of two years of COVID tbh this border shutdown is going to be pretty irrelevant for passenger transit. Things like CargoLux and FedEx and whatever seems like it will have a bigger impact - let alone Maersk.
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Saladman posted:What airlines are those flights that are seemingly still crossing EU-Russian borders? Restrictions apply to Russian airlines, and stuff organised on Russia’s behalf. If German Lufthansa decides to do a Moscow roundtrip from Berlin, they may fly directly (assuming no Russian restrictions).
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Discendo Vox posted:UNGA session beginning now: This appears to be a link to a session nine hours old?
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KitConstantine posted:They also need domestic replacements for investment in their pipelines! Coming right up Putin sir! Nah, Exxon is staying. Just not expanding. Those fucks. e: NO! I'm wrong. Good for them.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:China cannot magic wand sanctioned quite anything into Russia. Especially stuff like airplane parts, manufactured solely in Europe. Hmm, okay. It would probably help if I knew what exactly was sanctioned and from where. I've noticed a lot of announcements but it's a bit of patchwork and hard to keep in mind. I was thinking about fairly normal everyday stuff that people buy. Consumer electronics, appliances, clothing, general consumer products, etc. Are those things still going in? But yeah airplane parts, fossil fuel extraction and refining stuff, etc. will be interesting it seems. KitConstantine posted:Meanwhile, on Russian prime time television: I know this is state TV but has the gravity of the situation really not hit them? The stock market being closed, people banned from moving money out of the country, banks banned from swift, etc.? Or have they just not even mentioned those things on TV yet? I wonder how Russians think that's going to be resolved.
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