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The endless Nazis in Ukraine talk Russia continues to spew feels a lot like what the right has done in the US: "most of the world is too smart to know it's bullshit, but dammit, we're going to keep hammering it home to whoever's willing to listen!".
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Cythereal posted:
quote:Also, the Slavs have a strange delusion. At their feasts and carousals, they pass about a bowl over which they utter words, I should not say of consecration but of execration, in the name of [two] gods—of the good one, as well as of the bad one—professing that all propitious fortune is arranged by the good god, adverse, by the bad god. Hence, also, in their language they call the bad god Diabol, or Zcerneboch, that is, the black god. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobog
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Mar 2, 2022 03:27
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:They won't be, as part of the thing to being welcomed into NATO is solving border disputes first. No, I wasn't aware of that being a part of joining NATO. Carry on.
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Mar 2, 2022 03:28
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:They won't be, as part of the thing to being welcomed into NATO is solving border disputes first. There's a waiver for everything.
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Mar 2, 2022 03:30
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Chernobog was also the name of the nightmare fuel character depicted in the Night on Bald Mountain sequence at the end of Fantasia. If he'd like to rise and annihilate Putin, we'd all be much obliged.
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Mar 2, 2022 03:34
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I was told in the discord talking about it that it's a nickname for the marshy region along Ukraine's northern border, sorry.
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Mar 2, 2022 03:35
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Biden says he's sending US troops to defend NATO, not the Ukraine. So what happens if Ukraine is admitted to NATO, under urgency? That’s not going to happen on any timeline that could affect this conflict. Ukraine (not the Ukraine) applied for fast-track EU membership, which I don’t think has any defensive implications other than that if Putin wanted to isolate Ukraine from the West he couldn’t have hosed it up any more.
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Mar 2, 2022 03:37
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orange juche posted:There's a waiver for everything.
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orange juche posted:There's a waiver for everything. I realize that, but I see the EU as more of a realistic possibility first. Once they clear that hurdle, NATO will be more likely to waive the border dispute requirement.
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Mar 2, 2022 03:41
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pantslesswithwolves posted:That’s not going to happen on any timeline that could affect this conflict. Ukraine (not the Ukraine) applied for fast-track EU membership, which I don’t think has any defensive implications other than that if Putin wanted to isolate Ukraine from the West he couldn’t have hosed it up any more. It really was the worst move if their long term goal was trying to fracture the bigger powers and isolate the smaller ones. Again, none of this makes sense at all. I still think he's sick
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Mar 2, 2022 03:42
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stealie72 posted:Some of the psychic damage kf the last 5 years is my wondering sometimes if there even is a rule of law anymore. Does some stuff written on paper that has been followed for xx years matter now that we no longer have a shared reality? Rule of law assumes that everyone is a rational actor. Once you discard that notion, things get a lot nastier.
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Mar 2, 2022 03:42
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Cythereal posted:I was told in the discord talking about it that it's a nickname for the marshy region along Ukraine's northern border, sorry. Those are the Pripyat Marshes, which I could see how someone could get mixed up with Chernobog, since it kinds sounds like it could be a portmanteau of Chernobyl and Bog.
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Mar 2, 2022 03:45
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Naked Bear posted:No no no, you don't get it. They're ironically rooting for the not-USSR to win. Yea, just like all those totally IRONIC racial jokes! Or the totally IRONIC nazi poo poo!
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Mar 2, 2022 03:47
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Hey thanks all y'all for telling that dude to gently caress off while I was pounding scotch and phoning my lady friend
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Mar 2, 2022 03:50
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I wonder how much loving different things would play out if Trump were in office. “No, we aren’t supporting them. It’s their battle. I’m withdrawing from NATO.”
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Mar 2, 2022 03:56
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bennyfactor posted:Those are the Pripyat Marshes, which I could see how someone could get mixed up with Chernobog, since it kinds sounds like it could be a portmanteau of Chernobyl and Bog. Russian vehicles certainly seem to be churning a bog right now, from the photos I've seen.
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Mar 2, 2022 03:57
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hobbesmaster posted:Or we’re severely underestimating how absurdly loud bears are. This is definitely the case. Those counterrotating props are not quiet. I don't think those Bears were above 20k feet, but they're not just chilling at 5k either.
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bennyfactor posted:Those are the Pripyat Marshes, which I could see how someone could get mixed up with Chernobog, since it kinds sounds like it could be a portmanteau of Chernobyl and Bog. Umm yeah that’s actually what I thought when I first read it. Also Chernobog is an awesome name.
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shame on an IGA posted:Hey thanks all y'all for telling that dude to gently caress off while I was pounding scotch and phoning my lady friend He probably realized that since the argument couldn’t be won, it was a mistake to continue to defend it 
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Mar 2, 2022 04:00
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https://twitter.com/MatthewBevan/status/1498815462951763970 https://twitter.com/matthewbevan/status/1498817469448097792?s=21
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Cythereal posted:I was told in the discord talking about it that it's a nickname for the marshy region along Ukraine's northern border, sorry. No apparently you are correct it is one of those same name two things not coincidence type thing
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Mar 2, 2022 04:03
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Umm yeah that’s actually what I thought when I first read it. Also Chernobog is an awesome name. Chernobog is (supposedly, written records are sparse at best) one of the evil gods from pre-Christian Slavic mythology, mixing cherno (black) and bog (god).
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Mar 2, 2022 04:04
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"Chernobog" calls to mind a radioactive bog-monster that eats anything that dares enter it's domain. Not a huge stretch from the truth, especially for any vehicles that try to go in.
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Mar 2, 2022 04:05
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Its also what Cherno Alpha (RIP) is named for
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Its also what Cherno Alpha (RIP) is named for Pacific Rim was very underrated.
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Mar 2, 2022 04:14
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Does anyone know/have a citation for the history of Ukraine vs The Ukraine thing? I find it to be a really weird thing to have come around as a sticking point in conversations over Ukrainian sovereignty because neither Russian nor Ukrainian have any grammar defining definite vs indefinite articles. It's why native Russian speakers who are learning English constantly drop both definite and indefinite articles from speech. (Like privately I question if it would even occur to a native east-slavic speaker to ponder the political implications of grammar of this type)
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Mar 2, 2022 04:22
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https://twitter.com/Sharon_Kuruvila/status/1498783650283937800
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nwin posted:I wonder how much loving different things would play out if Trump were in office. “No, we aren’t supporting them. It’s their battle. I’m withdrawing from NATO.” I'm half convinced US troops would be on the ground supporting Russia.
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Mar 2, 2022 04:31
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If you want an emotional understanding of how ruinous Ukrainian mud can be, Mudrunner is really good training. I think it is set in Siberia instead but it is still cursed demon mud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ul5KwAK2Uw
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FrozenVent posted:Negotiated settlement: Depends. None of these are related: If Russia is pulling all the dissenting voices off the air domestically, and arresting antiwar protesters en masse; A 40km traffic jam is allowed to peacefully run out of fuel and food in the late Ukrainian winter/early spring*; and, Great Leader is keeping everyone out of physical attacking distance *: assuming that this (a) happens and (b) anyone in Russia finds out about it. Read together they suggest the ground shifting under Putin's feet, domestically. Bank runs and food shortages aren't likely to improve this. Would Putin come to the table? Not in this reality. But his successor?
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I'm still floored by two major petroleum companies pulling out as well as loving Boeing telling Russia to get hosed.
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Icon Of Sin posted:"Chernobog" calls to mind a radioactive bog-monster that eats anything that dares enter it's domain. I take it you haven't seen Fantasia? Because that's pretty much their depiction. E- And, again, for emphasis, that sequence is Nightmare Fuel at a level to the point that I haven't seen it probably 30 years. I'm not religious, but if I have any vision of what entering hell might be, it's that nearly 100 year old piece of animation. CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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Re: Mud in Ukraine, on twitter I remember seeing a Ukrainian (or maybe Russian) word for the spring/fall season where it's either rainy or all the snow is melting, and mud means you basically can't do anything. I lost it in all the doomscrolling, though. I don't suppose anyone knows what I'm talking about?
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Spoggerific posted:Re: Mud in Ukraine, on twitter I remember seeing a Ukrainian (or maybe Russian) word for the spring/fall season where it's either rainy or all the snow is melting, and mud means you basically can't do anything. I lost it in all the doomscrolling, though. I don't suppose anyone knows what I'm talking about?
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm still floored by two major petroleum companies pulling out as well as loving Boeing telling Russia to get hosed. I suspect they think they won’t have to distance themselves for long. I have no proof of that, just a hunch
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm still floored by two major petroleum companies pulling out as well as loving Boeing telling Russia to get hosed. One of Putins first responses was to talk about confiscating foreign assets in Russia. Minute he said that I'm sure every capitalist in the world decided to nope out. This whole crisis has made me suspect that Putin just fundamentally does not understand how the western, democratic, capitalist world functions.
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That was it! Thank you.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:No apparently you are correct it is one of those same name two things not coincidence type thing It seemed like a fairly apt and intentional pun. Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm half convinced US troops would be on the ground supporting Russia. That's almost dumb enough, but it would have to be like the Alabama National Guard getting sent there for full Trumpiness. And being led by... *rolls dice* a college buddy of *roll* Don Jr.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:It seemed like a fairly apt and intentional pun. Pretty sure Senator General Tubberville would have his forces collapse faster than a Russian tank column can run out of gas.
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Spoggerific posted:Re: Mud in Ukraine, on twitter I remember seeing a Ukrainian (or maybe Russian) word for the spring/fall season where it's either rainy or all the snow is melting, and mud means you basically can't do anything. I lost it in all the doomscrolling, though. I don't suppose anyone knows what I'm talking about? Rasputitsa
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