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Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

How are u posted:

I'm aware. Kadyrov is a loving psycho and it is absolutely no surprise to me at all that he's happy to send his sons to their deaths because it fits with his toxic masculinity worldview. RIP those kids.

Kadyrov also has double digit children, so if he loses three it's no big deal.

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Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:


Any news on the Odessa front?

No. But no news in this case is good news, I think.

dirty shrimp money
Jan 8, 2001

the popes toes posted:

Yeah, this is exactly what these Russian philologists were predicting:

"The war will lead to the final displacement of the Russian language from the Ukrainian cultural space. The Russian language - the language of great Russian culture, the language of Tolstoy, Dostoevsky and Chekhov - having become the language of aggressive politics, is rapidly losing its position in the world."

Language can be a war casualty too, apparently. I'll post the link again: https://www.istorex.ru/post/%D0%BE%...%81%D0%B8%D0%B8

Any possibility of Ukrainian switching to the Latin alphabet? Hard to have a more complete break from Russia (and Russian) than that.

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

Worth reading that whole thread, yeah--looks like someone in Kentucky has been doing some interesting investing:

https://twitter.com/mkt_sentiment/status/1499585225546170370

Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Mar 4, 2022

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.



Kentucky pensions melting down were the number one political issue here for like 2 years. lol that that’s coming back.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

ZombieLenin posted:

Can talk about how lovely Russian MBTs seem to be? In roughly 21 years of service in both Afghanistan and Iraq the US Army lost a grand total of 2 M1A2s to enemy action.

More were lost to accident, or were disabled and later destroyed by US forces to avoid capture—funnily enough other M1A2s sometimes had difficulty penetrating the tank they were trying to scuttle…

Now look at what has happened to Russian armor that was meant to fight the M1A2 as a peer… there are many more than two that have been completely knocked out. Many, many more.

Is this because the tanks are actually lovely, or is it because the modern Western anti-tank weaponry just that much more superior to what American military adversaries in the War on Terror had access to?

Even with the newer advanced tanks, Russian tanks are about quantity over quality, and thats before you even get to the corruption in military supply.

Russian tanks are also famous for brewing up when hit due to the carousel autoloader that sits immediately under the turret and contains powder bags openly exposed within the carousel. There's tons of video from Syria of T-60s and T-72s brewing up after one hit.

Jarmak
Jan 24, 2005

Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:

yes, as well as sharing information and making sure that every member of the unit is aware of the plan and the goals of that plan, as opposed to just "get on truck, you're going on exercises"

this is expensive though. training, ensuring someone is trained, ensuring someone is paid enough to not sell off supplies, being able to afford to cut someone loose if they gently caress up (lost money on training that guy), making sure soldiers don't bribe each other for better jobs and promotions, and so on - all of it costs money. military human resources is a thing. and even then the american military is constantly rooting out corruption

being chronically underfunded, like the russian military, is corrosive to all aspects of organizational fitness at all levels

People see the US military doing all sorts of incompetent poo poo and believe claims of its professionalism are all bullshit.

Truth is people have really skewed expectations of what "the best" looks like. Oh boy the US military looks nothing like their PR image projects but you'll never believe just how hosed up most everyone else is.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Putin updates:

Spoke with German chancellor - not backing down much if at all
https://twitter.com/biannagolodryga/status/1499797668796809222?t=G7-UJnFrRmMv1uNb-cO9yw&s=19

Meanwhile, during that conversation:
https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1499795192227971078?t=4agvFosJQnJFX6TqSFsb2w&s=19

Why? Why say this?

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

ZombieLenin posted:

Is this because the tanks are actually lovely, or is it because the modern Western anti-tank weaponry just that much more superior to what American military adversaries in the War on Terror had access to?

i think its a combination of russia using its tanks in a far more risky way in this conflict (america was highly risk averse to the optics of losing a tank), poor logistics and morale causing tanks to be abandoned by their crews, and an expectation that ukraine would not be able to field as many modern ATGMs and drones as they actually have to kill tanks with

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Triskelli posted:

https://twitter.com/MaisonPoutine/status/1499431111709143041

Of course this is a chain of poutine shops that are being tarred as being associated with Putin, because the two are spelled the same in French.

I did not realize that Putin was spelled Poutine in French, that is hilarious.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Todd will be pissed as well

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

ZombieLenin posted:

Can talk about how lovely Russian MBTs seem to be? In roughly 21 years of service in both Afghanistan and Iraq the US Army lost a grand total of 2 M1A2s to enemy action.

More were lost to accident, or were disabled and later destroyed by US forces to avoid capture—funnily enough other M1A2s sometimes had difficulty penetrating the tank they were trying to scuttle…

Now look at what has happened to Russian armor that was meant to fight the M1A2 as a peer… there are many more than two that have been completely knocked out. Many, many more.

Is this because the tanks are actually lovely, or is it because the modern Western anti-tank weaponry just that much more superior to what American military adversaries in the War on Terror had access to?

If the Russian Army had M1A2s do you really think this war would be going any different? When you drive unsupported tanks down roads brimming with top attack ATGMs, they die. There is no tank in the world which would be faring any better.

If anything, they would be doing even worse if they had fuel hungry tanks like M1s considering their supply problems.

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004


Holy poo poo

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




dominoeffect posted:

Apparently the 31st Separate Guards Assault Brigade also have the Order of Kutuzov like some of the earlier VDV units we were seeing used in the early assaults on airports around Kyiv: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/31st_Guards_Air_Assault_Brigade

That’s the same one.

Lunsku
May 21, 2006

TheRat posted:

There's a few reports of Russian kids in Norway being harassed in schools/kindergartens, as an example.

poo poo like this was stuck on door of Russian school in Helsinki in Finland to my understanding:
https://twitter.com/deepsami/status/1499374256374927361?s=21

(”You loving russkies kill innocent children in Ukraine. Watch out that the same doesn’t happen to you and your russian brats. We can also throw molotov’s at your home.”)

They have full time guard now and that’s not normal for a Finnish school.

While I think majority of folks, especially those in younger and more connected generations, or people living closer to eastern border or capital region likely to actually have acquitances or co-workers who are russian or have Finnish-Russian background, this is a racist country with plenty of absolute shits willing to blast it out on anyone seeming russian.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

ZombieLenin posted:

Can talk about how lovely Russian MBTs seem to be? In roughly 21 years of service in both Afghanistan and Iraq the US Army lost a grand total of 2 M1A2s to enemy action.

More were lost to accident, or were disabled and later destroyed by US forces to avoid capture—funnily enough other M1A2s sometimes had difficulty penetrating the tank they were trying to scuttle…

Now look at what has happened to Russian armor that was meant to fight the M1A2 as a peer… there are many more than two that have been completely knocked out. Many, many more.

Is this because the tanks are actually lovely, or is it because the modern Western anti-tank weaponry just that much more superior to what American military adversaries in the War on Terror had access to?

A lot of it isn't necessarily the tanks themselves, it's poor discipline in using them. Tanks wandering out in the open by themselves without support are gonna get wrecked, period.

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


Last Kentucky governor had the legislature help fund a big aluminum mill in eastern KY and then tried to hide investors from the public. It turned out it was mainly funded by Russian oligarchs and also it never opened.

Tuna-Fish
Sep 13, 2017

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:

I wonder about this. The video a few pages ago made what sounded like a pretty plausible case that the siege setup is proceeding reasonably well - rather than being out of fuel or stranded behind a couple burnt-out BMPs or whatever, the big column has stopped where it wanted to stop and is now carrying out the standard Russian army doctrine of setting up a forward operating base within range of the target and securing supply lines. Is there reason to think that isn't the case?

I've seen Ukrainians claim that they have now blown up a bridge behind that convoy, cutting it off. No actual confirmation yet, but that would certainly be a twist.

Alchenar posted:

Seriously we are at the point where Zelensky needs to get out of Kyiv or needs to start making whoever is next in line to succeed him more visible. Hopefully he's done that already.

Why? Kyiv is substantially less threatened today than it was 3 days ago. There are areas of the country where the war is going badly for them, but the counterattack north of Kyiv seems to have worked.

CommieGIR posted:

They do not have superiority, but they also still have these assets because they have not been reckless in trying to get into duels with Russian SAMs and aircraft. So they've been holding them back most likely on purpose.

They appear to be using air mostly in areas that are well under their own control, such as against the breakthroughs from the south. This allows them to shepherd them from Russian AA and planes, while getting good use out of them.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

KitConstantine posted:

Putin updates:
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Why? Why say this?

Mafia mindset. Only thing he knows how to do in response to a threat is bow up.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006


Much like the UK is discussing how connected Boris Johnson and the Tories are to Russian oligarch money, we in America need a discussion of how mobbed up our politicians, largely the Republicans, are to Russia.

Jarmak
Jan 24, 2005

OctaMurk posted:

If the Russian Army had M1A2s do you really think this war would be going any different? When you drive unsupported tanks down roads brimming with top attack ATGMs, they die. There is no tank in the world which would be faring any better.

If anything, they would be doing even worse if they had fuel hungry tanks like M1s considering their supply problems.

It's a dumb hypothetical because the US fields those tanks because they have the logistical capabilities to support it.

Zhanism
Apr 1, 2005
Death by Zhanism. So Judged.

KitConstantine posted:

Putin updates:

Spoke with German chancellor - not backing down much if at all
https://twitter.com/biannagolodryga/status/1499797668796809222?t=G7-UJnFrRmMv1uNb-cO9yw&s=19

Meanwhile, during that conversation:
https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1499795192227971078?t=4agvFosJQnJFX6TqSFsb2w&s=19

Why? Why say this?

You cant even take the capital of your primary target and you are threatening to invade more after? With what? More VDV drops?

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

KitConstantine posted:

You really don't research anything do you? This was one of the first results for googling "Grozy Humanitarian Corridor"

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/world/europe/121799russia-chechnya.html

Edit: A quote from the article, who's headline is "Chechens Say They Were Shot at in Safe Corridor"

there is no doubt that the corridor was not super safe, but they did set it up. however, it is almost certainly not the case that they setup the corridor just to shoot people fleeing - the entire purpose of the corridor was to get civilians out so they could kill more fighters. if you read your actual article instead of skimming for owns, you will see it was unclear who attacked those civilians, and you will also see they passed right by - with the journalist's own eyes - a russian column without being machine-gunned to death.

russia has setup many humanitarian corridors and they are likely to setup some in ukraine. their goal is a political victory, not genocide. that's pure propaganda.

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



KitConstantine posted:

Putin updates:

Spoke with German chancellor - not backing down much if at all
https://twitter.com/biannagolodryga/status/1499797668796809222?t=G7-UJnFrRmMv1uNb-cO9yw&s=19

Meanwhile, during that conversation:
https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1499795192227971078?t=4agvFosJQnJFX6TqSFsb2w&s=19

Why? Why say this?

:lol:

This Russian army couldn't make it to a Polish Walmart

Man these chuds really do huff their own farts

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

https://twitter.com/bgpolitics/status/1499779496328708112?s=21

for the record, the trs is like $28 billion so this is a tiny part of the fund.

sniper4625
Sep 26, 2009

Loyal to the hEnd
https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1499796919836557312

Statement from the teachers pension

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

ZombieLenin posted:

Can talk about how lovely Russian MBTs seem to be? In roughly 21 years of service in both Afghanistan and Iraq the US Army lost a grand total of 2 M1A2s to enemy action.


You've already been dog piled on this but my 2 cents is you need to pay attention to what military analysts are saying.

They aren't say the Russians have lovely equipment, they are saying that they are being absolute loving morons in how they are using them and that they appear to not be maintaining them well.

It's been repeatedly discussed in this thread how they are loving up, and how this probably is also contributing to a high casualty rate.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

ZombieLenin posted:

Can talk about how lovely Russian MBTs seem to be? In roughly 21 years of service in both Afghanistan and Iraq the US Army lost a grand total of 2 M1A2s to enemy action.

More were lost to accident, or were disabled and later destroyed by US forces to avoid capture—funnily enough other M1A2s sometimes had difficulty penetrating the tank they were trying to scuttle…

Now look at what has happened to Russian armor that was meant to fight the M1A2 as a peer… there are many more than two that have been completely knocked out. Many, many more.

Is this because the tanks are actually lovely, or is it because the modern Western anti-tank weaponry just that much more superior to what American military adversaries in the War on Terror had access to?

Skimpy maintenance, poorly-trained demoralized troops, bad tactics, lovely logistics, and determined opposition will turn even the best armored forces to poo poo very quickly. It's genuinely hard to determine the actual merits of the newest Russian equipment when it's being employed so ineptly, to the point it's like writing a review of a top-of-the-line sports car after using it as an agricultural tractor.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013





$13m seems pennies to me.

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


Young Freud posted:

Much like the UK is discussing how connected Boris Johnson and the Tories are to Russian oligarch money, we in America need a discussion of how mobbed up our politicians, largely the Republicans, are to Russia.

Kentucky pension boards currently controlled by dems lol

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

cinci zoo sniper posted:

$13m seems pennies to me.

It is now!

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

Kentucky pension boards currently controlled by dems lol

Were they the ones that made the initial investment though?

mmkay
Oct 21, 2010


I'm assuming he thought the idea of asylum in EU for deserting soldiers is real :v:

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



Zhanism posted:

You cant even take the capital of your primary target and you are threatening to invade more after? With what? More VDV drops?

Going to drop 50 confused dudes over downtown Berlin: no supplies, no food, pocket pussies for all of them though! :shepface:

At this point these threats are just getting sad

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

A Hobbit's Adventure

Tuna-Fish posted:


Why? Kyiv is substantially less threatened today than it was 3 days ago.


It’s very unlikely that this is true. Even if the big convoy is stalled, the Russians are still advancing towards Kyiv from the northeast and it’s still being shelled

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Zhanism posted:

You cant even take the capital of your primary target and you are threatening to invade more after? With what? More VDV drops?

I'm surprised Russia has any paratroopers left.

TulliusCicero posted:

Going to drop 50 confused dudes over downtown Berlin: no supplies, no food, pocket pussies for all of them though! :shepface:

At this point these threats are just getting sad

If they tried dropping them on Berlin all you'd need to defeat them is a bunch of currywurst vendors offering free samples.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I'm surprised Russia has any paratroopers left.

they drained the fountains looking for loose change to fund the war and found a couple troopers

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

TheRat posted:

Considering we've seen quite a few videos of Russian aircraft lately and just about zero Ukranian I'm going to have a hard time believing this one.

it might be technically true (ukraine still has a bunch of usable airframes) while not actually implying that ukraine is directly contesting the skies (all those airframes are grounded due to logistics, russian aa, they're more useful as some kind of "air fleet in being", etc.)

i wonder whether the conspicuous lack of videos of ukrainian air and armor assets is due to good opsec/ lack of civilians in areas where they're deployed, the ukrainian military holding them in reserve for some future counterattack opportunity or as a continuing factor complicating russian planning, or they're not in a position to deploy them anymore

or of course it could be a mixture of all three

Source4Leko
Jul 25, 2007


Dinosaur Gum

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

German used to be the second most spoken language in America with distinct dialects, newspapers, and neighborhoods where knowing German was necessary. Then world war 1 happened.

It stuck around til WW2 to some degree. My mom's entire family that was born in the US before the war could speak German still. My grandpa lied about it at the draft office to get sent to the Pacific because he didn't want to end up fighting relatives.

Ciprian Maricon
Feb 27, 2006



ZombieLenin posted:

Can talk about how lovely Russian MBTs seem to be? In roughly 21 years of service in both Afghanistan and Iraq the US Army lost a grand total of 2 M1A2s to enemy action.

More were lost to accident, or were disabled and later destroyed by US forces to avoid capture—funnily enough other M1A2s sometimes had difficulty penetrating the tank they were trying to scuttle…

Now look at what has happened to Russian armor that was meant to fight the M1A2 as a peer… there are many more than two that have been completely knocked out. Many, many more.

Is this because the tanks are actually lovely, or is it because the modern Western anti-tank weaponry just that much more superior to what American military adversaries in the War on Terror had access to?

Peep the tank losses for Suadi Arabia against even slightly similar ATGMs, they use very similar equipment. They didn't get the Tusk II package, but the minor upgrades in armor wouldn't make much difference against things like TOW missiles. You cannot compare the losses the U.S. took fighting two incredibly one sided conflicts with a peer to peer fight with modern equipment. What Iraq and Afghanistan could bring to bear against U.S. Armor was not comparable to the ATGMs that are in Ukraine.

Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Mar 4, 2022

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1499762314702209026?s=20&t=0PD-OSak3McRpBvsP0oQKw

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