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Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?

dominoeffect posted:

Why can't anyone in the field on the russian side step up and make some decent decisions?!
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1499965980256124929

Team of what? I thought the last reactors were shut down 2 decades ago.

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Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

Ogmius815 posted:

When I was six, I went on a field trip to a farm and was allowed to ride on a llama. Nobody ever believed me when I say that, but I swear it is true.

Llamas are evil bastards and I don't believe one would consent to be ridden.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

It would bring down multiple European governments as one side effect

Saint Kyivanka
Mar 1, 2022

Patron Saint of SA

Willo567 posted:

What would the NATO response be if Putin did decide to use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine?

China and India might finally condemn Russia's actions. Or not. Who knows. China probably wants to keep all options open for Taiwan.

Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin

MechanicalTomPetty posted:

I mean I doubt there would be any real assault on Syria while Russian forces are active in the area, for the same reason a No-Fly Zone over Ukraine isn't happening. That said, if they ever had to pull out for any reason things are gonna pop off real loving fast. It really cannot be overstated that EVERYONE outside of Latakia loving hates Assad's guts.

Well I will say if there was anyone that would do it and be able to get away with it is Israel. If there is one country that you should worry about a first strike from it is them. Them taking out both Syria and Russia at their backdoor would likely be looked at as helpful from most of their neighbors and the West although you'd get some condemnation.

Granted I don't see it happening if for no other reason than the western world has probably told the Israelis to keep out of things.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Just had a thought, aren't the Trumps all in on Russian banks. How does all these sanctions effect the Trump organization ability to do business?

EDIT: Or maybe its good for him because he doesn't have to pay back loans now?

Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Mar 5, 2022

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

My Ukraine feed is starting to wake up and it sounds like shelling was less intense last night than it has been in days. There was street fighting in some cities and Kharkiv got hit a few times, but that's about it.

I wonder if Russia didn't want to waste shells in the dark?

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

Zelenskyy international rock star

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1499871098967629831

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

A sneak peak at a scene from the inevitable movie/miniseries about this war.
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1499943413453668352

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Youth Decay posted:

A sneak peak at a scene from the inevitable movie/miniseries about this war.
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1499943413453668352

"Stop firing at the nuclear facility" might be the most reasonable request ever made in the history of warfare.

headspace
Apr 25, 2014

Despera posted:

Corruption is a huge issue in chinas military

With russia being this bad could we save a little on defense? please

Yeah... The McMansion ghouls in northern Virginia have probably been going through a roller coaster ride of emotions.

Willo567
Feb 5, 2015

Cheating helped me fail the test and stay on the show.

ZombieLenin posted:

They’d call him a war criminal. That’s about it.

You don't think that would cause NATO to get directly involve in the war afterwards?

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin

Saint Kyivanka posted:

China and India might finally condemn Russia's actions. Or not. Who knows. China probably wants to keep all options open for Taiwan.

China is the real wildcard and ultimately going to be the winner out of all of this. One way or another Russia is going to be their puppet state going forward.

The West really needs to start divesting themselves from China and soon. If COVID didn't get enough reasons why it is bad to rely upon China for a ton of things, the second we get into a shooting war with them and they cut us off is going to hurt even worse. I know a lot of people have been shouting from the rooftops to start bringing mission critical manufacturing and other industries back to the US and/or Europe but we will see how much that is followed through.

China is aware that they get one shot at Taiwan. I am betting they are continuing to debate if it is better to invade and take over or just wipe it off the map. I am sure they are watching the current conflict closely to learn all the lessons they can to help with that.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

KitConstantine posted:

My Ukraine feed is starting to wake up and it sounds like shelling was less intense last night than it has been in days. There was street fighting in some cities and Kharkiv got hit a few times, but that's about it.

I wonder if Russia didn't want to waste shells in the dark?
Yeah, looks like I might have been right :smith:

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1499972203873456129?t=F8LYqntXgrlQtBACL3QaqA&s=19
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1499971933521260546?t=rk7xR0j5GZc3RelV7UWbaQ&s=19

Trump
Jul 16, 2003

Cute

Willo567 posted:

You don't think that would cause NATO to get directly involve in the war afterwards?

The west wouldn't just shrug their shoulders, but what the response would be, who knows.

I'm really worried about how the RA is handling fighting near Nuclear Power plants, because if they keep being this clumsy, it might force the Wests hand as well.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

Deteriorata posted:

Another day is dawning in Kyiv, and it's still Ukrainian. :unsmith:

:ukraine:

Thanks for these reminders

dominoeffect
Oct 1, 2013

Baronash posted:

Team of what? I thought the last reactors were shut down 2 decades ago.

Yes, the reactors are shut down, but I'm sure there are many people that perform important duties around radiation monitoring, cleanup, etc

dominoeffect fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Mar 5, 2022

Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin

KitConstantine posted:

My Ukraine feed is starting to wake up and it sounds like shelling was less intense last night than it has been in days. There was street fighting in some cities and Kharkiv got hit a few times, but that's about it.

I wonder if Russia didn't want to waste shells in the dark?

The word has been that they are lacking in NVG and other equipment now, so their ability to fight at night is rapidly getting harder. They are also likely starting to have serious supply issues as well.

dominoeffect
Oct 1, 2013

Willo567 posted:

What would the NATO response be if Putin did decide to use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine?

Probably an immediate summoning of the UN security council to discuss

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

Djarum posted:

China is the real wildcard

This conflict is providing financial templates for just that sort of disuasion should PRC go bananas with Taiwan. I'm sure China is doing the sums now.

Counterpoint: Putin whispers "my nukes" and the West stays home. China saw that too.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

Djarum posted:

China is aware that they get one shot at Taiwan. I am betting they are continuing to debate if it is better to invade and take over or just wipe it off the map. I am sure they are watching the current conflict closely to learn all the lessons they can to help with that.

The lesson they're learning is that sanctions and divestment would very likely outweigh any benefits from Taiwan. Ukraine is 1/3 of Russia's population and a huge prize if it could be integrated, but sanctions wiped out any potential real gains in the first week of the war and they might not even win the war.

The risk reward for China vis a vis Taiwan is even worse.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Willo567 posted:

What would the NATO response be if Putin did decide to use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine?
Surely the mud isn't that bad.

Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin

Trump posted:

The west wouldn't just shrug their shoulders, but what the response would be, who knows.

I'm really worried about how the RA is handling fighting near Nuclear Power plants, because if they keep being this clumsy, it might force the Wests hand as well.

I think that the fighting near the Nuclear plants is them trying to force NATO to interfere. Why? I have no idea. If they are doing this badly already it makes little sense to involve most of the world's military against you and almost certainly end your government, military and life.

Franks Happy Place
Mar 15, 2011

It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.
Taiwan is also very easy to defend, has been arming and practicing defense for 70 years, and has been a coherent and stable political state for a long time.

Good fuckin luck lol

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

~Everybody wants to be a cat~
~Because a cat's the only cat~
~Who knows where its at~

punk rebel ecks posted:

Did Vladimir Putin play college football?

Coulda gone pro if he hadn't joined the KGB.

downout
Jul 6, 2009

A clancy-chat place! - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3995624

Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin

the popes toes posted:

Counterpoint: Putin whispers "my nukes" and the West stays home. China saw that too.

If Ukraine was a NATO country or even in the EU already I think the nuke threat would be less. Honestly I think the threat of nukes in general is overblown.

Morrow posted:

The lesson they're learning is that sanctions and divestment would very likely outweigh any benefits from Taiwan. Ukraine is 1/3 of Russia's population and a huge prize if it could be integrated, but sanctions wiped out any potential real gains in the first week of the war and they might not even win the war.

The risk reward for China vis a vis Taiwan is even worse.

I think you have the right take here. Although divestment from China is going to have to happen and likely will over the next ten years. Far too many people put too many egg in China's basket coupled with JIT manufacturing. COVID has shown just how easily that all falls apart. Granted it is better we learned this now instead of after China attacked Taiwan.

The biggest part against it is that China's issue with Taiwan isn't monetary gain. They may look at the cost of eliminating it as sunk to do it.

Runaktla
Feb 21, 2007

by Hand Knit

Deteriorata posted:

Another day is dawning in Kyiv, and it's still Ukrainian. :unsmith:

:ukraine:

Yay go Ukraine.

Trump
Jul 16, 2003

Cute

Djarum posted:

I think that the fighting near the Nuclear plants is them trying to force NATO to interfere. Why? I have no idea. If they are doing this badly already it makes little sense to involve most of the world's military against you and almost certainly end your government, military and life.

As in a local commander just going "gently caress it" and hoping for an early day off?

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Soldiers of the 206th Territorial Defense Battalion detained Nestor Shufrych in Kyiv. "Photographed the checkpoint." rn Shufrych approached the checkpoint, got out of the guarded car and started taking pictures. Accordingly, he was detained.



Detained for sending info to Russians.

VorpalBunny
May 1, 2009

Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog
Was the Russian stock market supposed to open again today? Or ever?

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

Willo567 posted:

You don't think that would cause NATO to get directly involve in the war afterwards?

It should, but Putin using a nuke on Ukraine because they made him look bad would probably greatly increase the calculus that he'd launch ICBMs if NATO intervened directly, so I don't know.

At the very least, the Russian sanctions would never end. Not in a hundred years.

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

Morrow posted:

The lesson they're learning is that sanctions and divestment would very likely outweigh any benefits from Taiwan. Ukraine is 1/3 of Russia's population and a huge prize if it could be integrated, but sanctions wiped out any potential real gains in the first week of the war and they might not even win the war.

The risk reward for China vis a vis Taiwan is even worse.

Amphibious invasions are even harder than land invasions. Even the US military doesn't like it's odds in an opposed amphibious landing, and China's navy is still quite a bit weaker.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Looks like the humanitarian corridors thing is going nowhere for the moment -
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1499981304032636930?s=20&t=1GitszHoi6h5SmBVWFtsjQ

Supposedly there's another meeting planned for this weekend

Also don't read if you don't wanna get angry about Russian Propoganda, but this thread goes over how Russia is covering events internally

https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1499953621424824320?s=20&t=1GitszHoi6h5SmBVWFtsjQ

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Franks Happy Place posted:

Taiwan is also very easy to defend, has been arming and practicing defense for 70 years, and has been a coherent and stable political state for a long time.

Good fuckin luck lol

An opposed amphibious landing against defenders armed with Harpoon missiles would be a fiasco. Especially as the buildup would be noticed a long time before the landings actually took place and there would be plenty of time to prepare/disperse the defenses.

I think China is probably looking at this and deciding that taking back Taiwan via political means would be much easier.

ranbo das
Oct 16, 2013


VorpalBunny posted:

Was the Russian stock market supposed to open again today? Or ever?

The last time it closed like this it only opened 75 years later, so I wouldn't hold my breath

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
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gay picnic defence posted:

An opposed amphibious landing against defenders armed with Harpoon missiles would be a fiasco. Especially as the buildup would be noticed a long time before the landings actually took place and there would be plenty of time to prepare/disperse the defenses.

I think China is probably looking at this and deciding that taking back Taiwan via political means would be much easier.

I could maybe see an attempt at squeezing them via blockades etc but I can't imagine an invasion looking like a good idea.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Young Freud posted:

Night Wolves are Putin's personal biker gang.

Also known to have Sabaton play for them.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

The free press in Russia is now extinct.
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1499987126284435462?s=20&t=1GitszHoi6h5SmBVWFtsjQ

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dominoeffect
Oct 1, 2013


I can't believe they blocked the app store and google play. With android you can at least sideload some apps, but with iOS you are screwed because there aren't any other ways to download apps. That's really crazy

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