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TulliusCicero posted:When did Russia go from Godless Communists to borne again Christians so quickly? There is an old Soviet joke: A: "Are you an Orthodox Christian?" B: "I am believer, but I don't practice it openly." A: "But religion is opium for the people!?!?!?? What about our Socialist ideals?" B: "I practice them openly, but I am no believer." Orthodox Christianity was only briefly suppressed. It is now a key part of the power structure, as it always was. Look at Putin's presidential inauguration - it looked like a monarch being crowned by the church.
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Concerned Citizen posted:No, I didn't say peace at any price. A deal both sides can live with. One that is based on the pre-war period instead of Ukraine becoming a Russian puppet state. There are posters in here who would oppose even a deal that gives Crimea to Russia, which I just can't understand because Crimea doesn't even want to return to Ukraine. Ukraine can't live with this deal. This is literally "Russia gets everything, you get poo poo, also we'll come back for you when we feel more ready", and it is extremely loving obvious that Ukraine understands this, as they have refused this deal every time Russia has offered it.
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Dunno why Ukraine would accept a peace deal with any conditions other than recognition of those breakaway areas. They’re making the Russian military look weak and incompetent on the world stage and there is no sign of it turning around. The fact that Russia has gone from “capture Kiev in 3 days” to this point after a week or so is a sign of their desperation. Hold their toes to the fire a bit longer and Ukraine will probably be able to negotiate reparations in exchange for water being sent down the canal to Crimea or something.
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Concerned Citizen posted:The Treaty of Versailles was a total surrender, so the implication I am getting here is that you feel the allies should have simply annexed or destroyed the German state entirely? Actually quite a few historians argue that yes, this exact thing probably prevents the rise of the Nazi party and WWII.
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Xerxes17 posted:I'm not even a fluent speaker of Russian, but the intonation patterns are far too consistent and flat, especially for if the boss man is bitching out a subordinate. I have listened to this only my phone’s loudspeaker yet, but the voice sounds quite normal to me. Remember, he’s supposed to be a tough, yet civilised boss, he can’t afford to whine or have a meltdown.
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Lots of people here advocating rolling over instead of fighting actual honest-to-God fascists, as if those fascists hadn't already declared that they're gonna start disappearing everyone opposing them the second resistance stops. Do you fight for the chance to remain free or cower the rest of your life in fear of a murderous basement-dwelling nutso and his goons in jackboots? Show some honesty and just admit you're advocating that an entire nation should submit to being dominated by a sad old spook with a penchant for poisoning underwear and be done with it. I find it absolutely hilarious that Ukraine managed to sink that boat with a GRAD barrage, it's an excellent case of "Modern problems require modern solutions" 
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Eric Cantonese posted:I was asking the same thing. Here's a response tweet from someone with a blue check, which means they are right and cannot lie. TheRat posted:Holdup, there's Russian amour inside Kyiv? Like 50 km north of downtown. Kyiv is similar to LA in size.
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Mar 7, 2022 14:46
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Isn't it fairly trivial to 'deepfake' voices these days anyway?
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His Divine Shadow posted:Why didn't they? Why now when they seem to be in a worse position? I also think at that point Russia was still somewhat interested in keeping up the charade as a civilized nation, and creating frozen conflicts probably seemed to be sufficient to stop Ukraine's independent development in its tracks, except it did not and accelerated the country's westbound course. Also, re: comparisons to Iran: Besides Russia having been a part of the global economy in a way other pariah states like Iran or North Korea have never been, there's also the question of who will arm and support Russia. Iran uses globally-connected Russia (and China) to circumvent sanctions in order to trade oil, buy military hardware etc. Russia can't go to Russia though, and alternatives like India and China are unreliable (India will at some point have to decide if it needs western support against China more than preferential access to Russia's sanctioned military hardware, and China needs continued economic success so they won't fully burn all bridges to the West for now). So if Russia's "defense" industry can't easily upgrade and replace the precious war toys for the domestic market (let alone exports), there's no connected big boy they can use to supply them with that stuff instead.
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I can't help but think that an independent, non-puppet, Ukraine will eventually seek to backstop its defenses with nuclear weapons and the only question is whether that backstop comes from their own weapons or an alliance. Can't blame them tbqh.
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Brown Moses posted:The Russian speakers I've spoken to say it's far too on the nose, like saying at one point "we're the fascists now!" after bombing Babi Yar, saying they can't win the war, the economy is set back 20 years, etc. That’s what I meant with it being far too good. It plays into every single trope that’s being publicised against Russia. Even before then, as I noted before, I strongly doubt that such a call could leak technologically - American government might have a copy of Putin’s inbox, but they sure as hell wouldn’t tip their hand like that.
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TheRat posted:That's also the same person replying to themselves, after they said it was Kyiv. I assume they made a mistake. Huge metro areas are named like that I could say "Troops have entered Chicago" but they could just 30 miles south of downtown in a suburb that has a Chicago address and counts as the metro area. Hostomel and that brutally contested airport are in another section of the Kyiv metro area for example.
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TheRat posted:Isn't it fairly trivial to 'deepfake' voices these days anyway? It is, I work professionally with that technology area.
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Shifty Pony posted:I can't help but think that an independent, non-puppet, Ukraine will eventually seek to backstop its defenses with nuclear weapons and the only question is whether that backstop comes from their own weapons or an alliance. 21st century has been really rough on the non-proliferation and I'm amazed most of the world seems still somewhat committed to the idea, ngl
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Atreiden posted:On a lighter note, the Putin being in an empty room and CGI'd into the meeting with stewardesses myth lives on. I don't know, all these people making up their own fake news is kinda annoying. But not a new phenomenon.
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Whatever the truth, it will be interesting to see if Putin is shown to be physically close to others in the near future.
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Mar 7, 2022 14:53
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Interview with Ukrainian surgeon working in Kyiv. Warning: graphic descriptions of war injuries. https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1500818084684259331?s=20&t=T5ClHBxjxt105O-hB4YTEg
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Ola posted:Whatever the truth, it will be interesting to see if Putin is shown to be physically close to others in the near future. The truth is that reflection is of some flowers and he clearly was in a room with those flight attendants. There's no reason to invent this dumb conspiracy theory based on a cherry-picked frame of a reflection and some compression artifacts.
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Thoughts and prayers for Zenrus admin, sanctions against and divestments from Russian gas, oil, and coal are coming in as early as tomorrow, due to casualties inflicted upon Ukrainian civilians. https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1500774582101368838
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And before reporting starts on Russian claims that they want to open 'green corridors from Kyiv' - these corridors are to be to Belarus and Russia. Maybe they wouldn't shell these ones though because that would mean less hostages. https://twitter.com/ColborneMichael/status/1500738330660683777?s=20&t=T5ClHBxjxt105O-hB4YTEg
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Speaking of myths, I just got linked a purported leak of a phone call between Putin and Shoygu: For what it's worth, it sounds fake as hell to me. They don't even really seems to talk to each other in an organic way. Everyone just saying their lines.
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KitConstantine posted:And before reporting starts on Russian claims that they want to open 'green corridors from Kyiv' - these corridors are to be to Belarus and Russia. Maybe they wouldn't shell these ones though because that would mean less hostages. Yeah I doubt many people are gonna take this option.
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ronya posted:neutral as in Ireland, Denmark, Austria, Sweden, or Finland? In what world is Denmark, a founding member of NATO neutral?
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KitConstantine posted:Interview with Ukrainian surgeon working in Kyiv. Warning: graphic descriptions of war injuries. That 13 year old boy who got Russian shrapnel in his face... 
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KitConstantine posted:And before reporting starts on Russian claims that they want to open 'green corridors from Kyiv' - these corridors are to be to Belarus and Russia. Maybe they wouldn't shell these ones though because that would mean less hostages. They're trying to get the Ukrainians to act as human shields for the Russian vehicles.
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TulliusCicero posted:Actually quite a few historians argue that yes, this exact thing probably prevents the rise of the Nazi party and WWII. True, WW2 never happens if you technically never finish the first one.
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barbecue at the folks posted:Lots of people here advocating rolling over instead of fighting actual honest-to-God fascists, as if those fascists hadn't already declared that they're gonna start disappearing everyone opposing them the second resistance stops. Do you fight for the chance to remain free or cower the rest of your life in fear of a murderous basement-dwelling nutso and his goons in jackboots? Show some honesty and just admit you're advocating that an entire nation should submit to being dominated by a sad old spook with a penchant for poisoning underwear and be done with it. It appears that boat was stationary and firing at the shore. Always a good recipe for success when engaging in shore bombardment and your enemy has artillery—rocket or otherwise—you have no power to interdict with the range to hit your ship’s position. Goodbye $180m corvette and 80 Russian Navy Personnel.
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At what point does the food and gas crisis get bad enough that every nation pressures Russia to stop? How long before that happens? Months?
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An oil depot in occupied Luhansk was blown up earlier today, with conflicting reports about who did it coming from both sides. The rumors coming out of Luhansk? That the occupying forces managing the joint did it themselves to cover for their embezzlement https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/1500835093279121410?s=20&t=T5ClHBxjxt105O-hB4YTEg
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Gatts posted:At what point does the food and gas crisis get bad enough that every nation pressures Russia to stop? How long before that happens? Months? i think people are hoping/figuring Russia is gonna implode hard in the near future. I know the US is planning on cutting their oil imports from Russia to 0. parts of Europe will too probably as is Japan.
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Casual shopping. https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1500746954275438592?s=20&t=Tcj3SjaN_miKMvxXvos3VA
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TulliusCicero posted:Actually quite a few historians argue that yes, this exact thing probably prevents the rise of the Nazi party and WWII. The solution in 1945 literally was 'dismember and occupy the German state'. Atreiden posted:In what world is Denmark, a founding member of NATO neutral? Denmark took an opt-out from the EU security policy. The significance of this in theory is that NATO is a purely defensive alliance (although it has volunarily done some expeditionary stuff by unanimous consent), whereas the EU security policy is very explicilty about projecting stability through security measures. Basically drafted with the Balkan wars/Kosovo in mind and potentially far more proactive than NATO could ever be - just a very long way from being there in practice. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Mar 7, 2022 |
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Gatts posted:At what point does the food and gas crisis get bad enough that every nation pressures Russia to stop? How long before that happens? Months? Russia isn't going to stop unless the Putin regime collapses. Putin cannot look weak. Russia cannot appear to have endured so much economic pain for nothing.
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The "Denmark is neutral" stuff is a misread of the series of opt-outs that Denmark secured prior to joining the EU in 1993. One of these was an opt-out of the Common Security and Defence Policy (CDSP) which is commonly referred to as Denmark's opt-out of EU defense. Denmark is a founding NATO member and is not neutral in any sense.
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The peace negotiations are being held on the Belarusian border. Look who seems to be in Belarus https://twitter.com/cxemu/status/1500839681860292613?t=DF-7PVpus21AVvOMf4gjvQ&s=19 
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They’re not only bad at military stuff, but diplomacy too, it seems. Yanukovich is literally “shoot on sight” for 80% of Ukrainians.
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barbecue at the folks posted:Lots of people here advocating rolling over instead of fighting actual honest-to-God fascists, as if those fascists hadn't already declared that they're gonna start disappearing everyone opposing them the second resistance stops. Do you fight for the chance to remain free or cower the rest of your life in fear of a murderous basement-dwelling nutso and his goons in jackboots? Show some honesty and just admit you're advocating that an entire nation should submit to being dominated by a sad old spook with a penchant for poisoning underwear and be done with it. Drifting o/t, but I think about this headline sometimes: ronya posted:In the period between the fall of France in mid-1940 and the German invasion of the USSR in mid-1941, the French communists found themselves in the curious position of rationalizing the conquest of France which if nothing else proves that the O/G Nazis can be marching down your street in triumph, and there would still be a certain kind of mind out there, that positions themselves as the anti-fascists par excellence, who will nonetheless charge that the critical task at hand is to turn around and resist the enemies of the Nazis much less someone else's street, one presumes
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Alchenar posted:Denmark took an opt-out from the EU security policy. The significance of this in theory is that NATO is a purely defensive alliance (although it has volunarily done some expeditionary stuff by unanimous consent), whereas the EU security policy is very explicilty about projecting stability through security measures. Basically drafted with the Balkan wars/Kosovo in mind and potentially far more proactive than NATO could ever be - just a very long way from being there in practice. That doesn't make Denmark neutral, we are very much a close ally of the U.S. and followed them on non-nato missions such as the second Iraq war. We are apparently also going to have a referendum on our opt-out of the EU defense in June.
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