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Pook Good Mook posted:How loving stupid do they think their own citizens are? I think it's not so much "stupid" as "broken down and intimidated" with a dash of "nationalistic" The dam is starting to break though https://twitter.com/ilya_shepelin/status/1501513137589309441?t=PG476Tu6UcUPw0P9GpEFGQ&s=19 Tweet translation (digital): quote:On the channel of the Ministry of Defense Zvezda, a gray-haired warrior offered to honor the memory of the guys who are dying in Ukraine. But we can't talk about our losses) The warrior was shut up by the SS hysterical host: — SHUT UP! OUR GUYS DON'T DIE THERE! THEY WILL DESTROY THE FASCIST RESPECT! TRIUMPH OF RUSSIAN WEAPONS Shouting match translation: 
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Is google still a thing in russia? Jokes about... Ukrainians Stierlitz (famous from a TV show https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stierlitz) Vova Czechs Junkies Estonians German Russians Putin Owlofcreamcheese posted:Anyone else getting this ad on somethingawful? Yep, I though it was unrelated but apparently it's an actual ad for brainwormed tankies
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PerilPastry posted:Glad to be corrected. The vibe I'm getting is a number of countries have now soured on the idea of providing "offensive weapons" which by some arbitrary standard seems to include aircraft but not stuff like Javelins. Again, you may be correct: Ukraine could no longer have the infrastructure to keep fighters in the air. In a vacuum, a modernized MiG-29 is competitive with most 4th generation fighters, particularly if they were given better avionics and radars. A stock MiG-29 from the late 70s or early 80s would get demolished in a beyond visual range engagement, which is to say they are death traps. Patriots for sure are off the table (in my opinion); however, Poland and Ukraine both operate the Soviet era SA-6 and SA-8, which are, depending on the version, antiques to not very good. Perhaps that is why Poland offered up the MiGs: better those than dinosaur SAMs. I could have sworn Poland upgraded some S300s--which the Ukrainians would also know how to use--but I appear to be mistaken.
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ImpAtom posted:Jeffery already posted and said it was fine. I mean, I said it seems really lovely, not illegal. The forums actually leaning into some weird russia vs ukraine cosplay thing seems gross.
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Deteriorata posted:Anhydrous ammonia would be a liquified gas in a tanker. They can hold about 5 tons each, so 80 tons would require at least 16 of them. If I was Ukraine fighting a war with the world's 2nd/3rd largest military, I'd probably use those trucks for fuel for fighting vehicles, or food for troops, rather than chemical attacks that would instantly turn needed allies against me. But then again, I'm not there, so maybe the Russians are telling the truth. They are not telling the truth
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Renaissance through violence of war. Pretty sure that's come up before.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I mean, I said it seems really lovely, not illegal. The forums actually leaning into some weird russia vs ukraine cosplay thing seems gross. I know. He said he didn't see a problem with it and compared it to people ironically using the Confederate Flag. Not saying I agree, just that it has been addressed already.
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Sinteres posted:This seems like big news in terms of the sustainability of the sanctions regime, especially if the Saudis follow suit since the two tend to be in alignment. I just wonder what the US promised (presumably further assistance in Yemen?) to get it. Of course they'll increase production. Oil is at the sweet spot where they can make obscene profits but not expensive enough that North American shale fields will get invested in.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I mean, I said it seems really lovely, not illegal. The forums actually leaning into some weird russia vs ukraine cosplay thing seems gross. DO things need to be illegal to be moderated. The answer is obviously no. The Confederate response by Jeffery was particularly stupid, since somebody posting a Confederate flag to mock pro-BLM posters e.g. in the aftermath of a large police crackdown would be immediately banned, or I hope so.
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KitConstantine posted:I think it's not so much "stupid" as "broken down and intimidated" with a dash of "nationalistic" Hahaa christ that dude knew exactly what he was doing, respect
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Pook Good Mook posted:Of course they'll increase production. Oil is at the sweet spot where they can make obscene profits but not expensive enough that North American shale fields will get invested in. Literally yesterday they seem to have refused a call with Biden, so it's hard to imagine there wasn't some kind of concession made to get this announcement now from the UAE ambassador to Washington specifically.
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Sinteres posted:Literally yesterday they seem to have refused a call with Biden, so it's hard to imagine there wasn't some kind of concession made to get this announcement now from the UAE ambassador to Washington specifically. Hunter Biden's laptop
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Alchenar posted:Yeah gosh why would people in one of the largest wheat producers on the planet need nitrates. And 80t sounds like a lot, but it is only around 1500-2000 acres worth. Ukraine has something like 60 million acres of farmland. So yeah, if the ammonia actually exists (almost certainly it down not) it is pretty much guaranteed to be fertilizer.
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KitConstantine posted:Ah yes, the ol' "preemptive justification" move They are just preparing to make some delicious salmiakki. Just need some hydrochloric acid.
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Der Kyhe posted:Finnish National Railways company added extra shifts to trains running between Helsinki and St. Petersburg and Moscow, because they are fully booked into infinite with people deciding to rather live in EU, than in the Best Korea in making. People always flee from the winning country in a war, right?
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dominoeffect posted:Out of curiosity, what are your very real reasons to avoid it? Just as I said, player base is not simply toxic gamers, but also people with political opinions (self-selecting to people who like Russia or tanks). As a video game it used to be quite decent back in my time with it, excluding somewhat pay-to-win business model. TulliusCicero posted:Real question: I wish I’d have reasons to discard the possibility of Syria-style chemical attack in Ukraine. Owlofcreamcheese posted:Anyone else getting this ad on somethingawful? There’s a QCS thread about it.
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Sinteres posted:Literally yesterday they seem to have refused a call with Biden, so it's hard to imagine there wasn't some kind of concession made to get this announcement now from the UAE ambassador to Washington specifically. I wonder if the moves to thaw relations with Venezuela and get more of their oil on the market made a difference.
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mobby_6kl posted:Yep, I though it was unrelated but apparently it's an actual ad for brainwormed tankies I think it's more likely that the Z banner ad was intended to mock the CSPAM thread. There have been tons of avatar/redtext purchases too.
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Sinteres posted:Literally yesterday they seem to have refused a call with Biden, so it's hard to imagine there wasn't some kind of concession made to get this announcement now from the UAE ambassador to Washington specifically. Wasn't that Saudis, though?
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Rad Russian posted:Aeroflot already stole $10 billion worth of leased planes (most are owned by a company in Ireland). Not even sure how Ireland can recoup. That'll show those dastardly NATO members.... Ireland?
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KitConstantine posted:I think it's not so much "stupid" as "broken down and intimidated" with a dash of "nationalistic" Hilarious and bad for them if true, RIP that guy. Also something eerie about old grey guys telling the truth and young strapping guys threatening the truth with death without knowing anything.
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mmkay posted:Wasn't that Saudis, though? It was both. They're very closely aligned.
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ImpAtom posted:Hunter Biden's laptop HUNTER'S CHINESE DIAMOND
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Willo567 posted:What is wrong with people? Do they want this to escalate to WW3? To quote Blinken "“[The] president's been very clear about one thing all along as well, which is we're not going to put the United States in direct conflict with Russia, not have, you know, American planes flying against Russian planes or our soldiers on the ground in Ukraine,” Blinken said. “The president also has a responsibility to not get us into a direct conflict, a direct war with Russia, a nuclear power, and risk a war that expands even beyond Ukraine to Europe. That's clearly not our interest. What we're trying to do is end this war in Ukraine, not start a larger one,” he added."" https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/597060-blinken-on-no-fly-zone-discussions-were-trying-to-end-this-war-in Stoltenberg: "“The only way to implement a no-fly zone is to send NATO fighter planes into Ukrainian airspace, and then impose that no-fly zone by shooting down Russian planes,” Stoltenberg said. He said allies believe that “if we did that, we would end up with something that could end in a full-fledged war in Europe.” (...) But, Stoltenberg said, “we are not part of this conflict, and we have a responsibility to ensure that it does not escalate and spread beyond Ukraine, because that would be even more devastating and more dangerous.”" https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-business-europe-antony-blinken-jens-stoltenberg-0ce4ac5076a0338facab78bf624a6d3b GaussianCopula posted:Scoring cheap points while not having any responsibility to take action themselves.
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Sinteres posted:Literally yesterday they seem to have refused a call with Biden, so it's hard to imagine there wasn't some kind of concession made to get this announcement now from the UAE ambassador to Washington specifically. Or maybe's that just the outward appearance they want to give, because 'helping America vs Russia' isn't very popular with their subjects and international partners. Actions speak louder than words in this case. I won't rule they've been given some incentives behind the scenes, but there really is an awful lot of money to make from increasing production. Covid wasn't good for their bottom line. And in times like these having investment money to spare can buy a lot of future clout and wealth. I think there's more than one non-Western nation out there trying to figure out how to fully exploit the sanctions on Russia - having an extra windfall of petrodollars is going to come in pretty handy for that.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hahaa christ that dude knew exactly what he was doing, respect For your context, this is the official TV channel of Russia’s Ministry of Defence.
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Fritz the Horse posted:I think it's more likely that the Z banner ad was intended to mock the CSPAM thread. There have been tons of avatar/redtext purchases too. Hadn't noticed! 
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PerilPastry posted:There are always going to be peripheral figures who don't understand the stakes. Thankfully everyone who matters seem to know the score - everyone from Biden, Blinken, Johnson and, in particular, Stoltenberg have made statements that it's just not going to happen. Preventing the war escalating past Ukraine seems to be NATO's absolute first priority. I just worry that the stupid, moronic public who has no idea what a no-fly zone actually entails pressures the U.S. or NATO as a whole to implement one, and when people are told what could happen (war with NATO and Russia), they claim we're already at war with Russia.
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OddObserver posted:Renaissance through violence of war. Pretty sure that's come up before. Speaking of, I was stopped dead in my tracks by the eerie renaissance quality framed by the window in this sad photo of a train evacuee. Sorry I don't have an attribution. 
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Professor Beetus posted:Ok, so what are your thoughts on the matter? Given that there are neo-nazis pretty much everywhere in Russia and Eastern Europe (and Western Europe, and the US, etc), I would certainly like to know what point you're trying to make. Are you actually suggesting that Putin is both technically and morally correct about de-Nazifying Ukraine (despite Russia's use of their own neo-Nazi forces and support for right wing/neo-nazis in general all over the world)? Just curious about what you are trying to get at with the posts you continue to make about the existence of Ukrainian nazis. I want to add another point of view to all this, and I'm not a regular poster nowhere here, nor in c-spam. I'm mostly a lurker. From a Central European point of view, there's something else I'm forced to consider - obviously, there's absolutely no way the aggression can be justified. Still, I can't deny there are plenty of potential bad outcomes with the course of action NATO chose to pursue, while respecting the thought that there probably would've been other, and probably worse, with "lighter" (wrt answering to the aggression) courses anyway. I can find primarily two - the first is that if, as a European, I already find myself at odds with social policies put into action by Hungarian and Polish governments, any setup towards Ukraine applying for EU membership and sidestepping critical analysis on its official and accountable position on such issues is extremely dangerous. To be honest, this stopped being a talking point shortly after the war began but has been in the talks for a bit too long for comfort, and the narration built around the heroic people of Ukraine felt a bit instrumental in such setup; the second one is that whatever the outcome will be, since NATO can't establish any logistic operation within Ukraine, whatever weapons and know-how corruption will be able to weasel into the hands of organized crime will be a gift to organized crime. That's an issue that Eastern Europe will have to deal with. That being said, I don't see how keeping these concerns somewhere in my opinion sphere justifies Putin's war, nor alters the final considerations on how NATO should handle this situation, and I understand it's a eurocentric point of view on a US-centric board, so please take this into account as well. Char fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Mar 9, 2022 |
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Cocaine Bear posted:That'll show those dastardly NATO members.... Ireland?
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:People always flee from the winning country in a war, right? I'd be so angry if I were Russian. Just trying to live your life and then the boss man decides to start an unwinnable war, thereby also completely destroying the economy in the process
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PederP posted:Or maybe's that just the outward appearance they want to give, because 'helping America vs Russia' isn't very popular with their subjects and international partners. Actions speak louder than words in this case. I won't rule they've been given some incentives behind the scenes, but there really is an awful lot of money to make from increasing production. Covid wasn't good for their bottom line. And in times like these having investment money to spare can buy a lot of future clout and wealth. I think there's more than one non-Western nation out there trying to figure out how to fully exploit the sanctions on Russia - having an extra windfall of petrodollars is going to come in pretty handy for that. Edit: Actually nvm, this is turning into a bit of a derail that's only tangentially related to the conflict but I'd be happy to discuss it in the ME thread.
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Alchenar posted:"Find me the imbecile who ordered our troops to invite Ukraine and sack him" Quite the invitation.
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Sinteres posted:This is all speculation, but from that perspective, wouldn't it make more sense for them to keep prices high to grab money hand over first right now and then flood the market once competitors come online to prove that they can make investments in super expensive oil bad plays? Especially if you assume Russia's going to find a way to export more of their oil somewhere in the long run and the crisis highs will eventually come down.
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KitConstantine posted:I think it's not so much "stupid" as "broken down and intimidated" with a dash of "nationalistic" I remember this one. Showing coffins draped in the American flag was by necessity admitting that people were dying in the Iraq war and thus "Disrespecting their memory" by making people acknowledge the bodycount.
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